Heart Throb Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 The most vivid memories I have of Donte Whitner up to this point in his career are watching mediocre tight ends run right by him, or him draped on their back as they go up and catch the ball over the deep middle. I can honestly say I do not have a bias when it comes to Whitner. I was hoping he would step up his game last season. But lets face it, a #8 pick in the draft 4 years ago with 2 career interceptions, who makes no big plays is at this point a bust. Some might not agree but if I could compare him to one player it would be Coy Wire. Always just a half step late on all of his coverage but a decent tackler. Bryd can not possibly be less dynamic than Whitner. My thought is that much of the league has not caught on to the fact that he stinks. (ESPN line of thinking, that most front offices use. "I've heard of him") So I say we let him go through training camp, hope a starting safety for another team gets injured, and try to get a 3rd round pick. Before everyone else realizes all he can do is tackle. Trade him this year or else all we will be able to get for him is a Losman jersey and a half eaten bag of Lays potatoe chips.
Big Turk Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 People who don't understand how our defense works and Whitner's role in our defense make me want to... :thumbsup: :censored: :wallbash: Perhaps if Whitner wasn't playing 3 or 4 yards from the line of scrimmage on most plays, he could be better in the passing game? Ed Reed wouldn't get interceptions either if he was being asked to do what Whitner has been...
Heart Throb Posted June 29, 2009 Author Posted June 29, 2009 People who don't understand how our defense works and Whitner's role in our defense make me want to... :thumbsup: :censored: :wallbash: Perhaps if Whitner wasn't playing 3 or 4 yards from the line of scrimmage on most plays, he could be better in the passing game? Ed Reed wouldn't get interceptions either if he was being asked to do what Whitner has been... Im sorry your right, the coaching staff does not want Whitner to make plays or cover the tight ends so they don't blow by him everytime. And that 2 interceptions in three years is problably 2 more than the coaching staff wouldve liked. Since you seem to know that the coaching staff does not want him to make plays, Is his role in the defense to get tasered at night clubs? As you and Dick Jauron would say "Of course we wouldve liked him not to have screamed when he hit the floor, but that's part of getting tasered. Hopefully we can improve on it for next time. He showed a lot of effort when he was rolling around on the ground for a minute there. It's a learning process and we as coaches have to have patience."
MarkAF43 Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 Im sorry your right, the coaching staff does not want Whitner to make plays or cover the tight ends so they don't blow by him everytime. And that 2 interceptions in three years is problably 2 more than the coaching staff wouldve liked. Since you seem to know that the coaching staff does not want him to make plays, Is his role in the defense to get tasered at night clubs? As you and Dick Jauron would say "Of course we wouldve liked him not to have screamed when he hit the floor, but that's part of getting tasered. Hopefully we can improve on it for next time. He showed a lot of effort when he was rolling around on the ground for a minute there. It's a learning process and we as coaches have to have patience." wow, because his being tasered has anything to do with him as a football player on the field and is totally relevant to the way he is on gamday :thumbsup:
ganesh Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 People who don't understand how our defense works and Whitner's role in our defense make me want to... :thumbsup: :censored: :wallbash: Perhaps if Whitner wasn't playing 3 or 4 yards from the line of scrimmage on most plays, he could be better in the passing game? Ed Reed wouldn't get interceptions either if he was being asked to do what Whitner has been... Good point...But that is where the biggest problem lies....Our coaching staff's inability to put your best players on the field to make the plays for the team....No wonder, we have been short of great plays on the defense for the last three years while the likes of Sanders, Polamalu and Reed are asked to play the ball.
1billsfan Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 Im sorry your right, the coaching staff does not want Whitner to make plays or cover the tight ends so they don't blow by him everytime. And that 2 interceptions in three years is problably 2 more than the coaching staff wouldve liked. Since you seem to know that the coaching staff does not want him to make plays, Is his role in the defense to get tasered at night clubs? As you and Dick Jauron would say "Of course we wouldve liked him not to have screamed when he hit the floor, but that's part of getting tasered. Hopefully we can improve on it for next time. He showed a lot of effort when he was rolling around on the ground for a minute there. It's a learning process and we as coaches have to have patience." Well played. We need more of your kind here. There are way to many Buffalo Bill jock sniffers here who get angry at actual unbiased and unfiltered evaluations of certain players. Donte "The Bust" Whitner is one of these players. Maybe it's because they don't want to admit that they were initially right when Whitner was picked and all Bills fans collectively said "WTF?!", but then soon bought into the Whitner myth while tearing down the NFL pundits calling him a major reach. Dude was indeed a major reach, he sucks on the football field, and he's been tasered for being a belligerent drunken mess out in public. Sorry, but I don't ever remember a "star" NFL player being tasered before. I think some of these Donte jock sniffers are his facebook buddies or something.
GripnRip Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 Another ridiculous post from a very uneducated football fan that has a post count <25
1billsfan Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 Another ridiculous post from a very uneducated football fan that has a post count <25 Another Whitner jock sniffer. Dude sucks, please tell him I said that on his facebook for me.
WVUFootball29 Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 Good monday morning to everyone, i see we are at the top of our game for football conversation again this week.
Bill from NYC Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 I think that the OP is interesting. The thing is, it will never happen. Donte Whitner represents what is important to Jauron. He is a blue chip defensive back who is getting paid millions of dollars to play way too far back in Jauron's "play not to lose" defense. This mind you in the winds of Orchard Park. Jauron proved it once again this year by squandering another very high pick on a small safety. Again, this is what matters to Jauron. It wasn't just Ngata that Levy/Jauron passed on in the disaster that was the 06 draft. The list of top quality blockers is long. Whitner is a good player, but he will never be a star imo. I wouldn't accept a 3rd round pick for him, but if this was a normal team, I would entertain an offer of a second rounder. That said, Jauron is thinking THIS year. He will probably be fired; it would seem that the playoffs might be his only hope to stay in Buffalo. He places more value on the secondary that any other unit (moron that he is), so a trade of Whitner is simply out of the question.
DC Tom Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 The most vivid memories I have of Donte Whitner up to this point in his career are watching mediocre tight ends run right by him, or him draped on their back as they go up and catch the ball over the deep middle. I can honestly say I do not have a bias when it comes to Whitner. I was hoping he would step up his game last season. But lets face it, a #8 pick in the draft 4 years ago with 2 career interceptions, who makes no big plays is at this point a bust. Some might not agree but if I could compare him to one player it would be Coy Wire. Always just a half step late on all of his coverage but a decent tackler. Bryd can not possibly be less dynamic than Whitner. My thought is that much of the league has not caught on to the fact that he stinks. (ESPN line of thinking, that most front offices use. "I've heard of him") So I say we let him go through training camp, hope a starting safety for another team gets injured, and try to get a 3rd round pick. Before everyone else realizes all he can do is tackle. Trade him this year or else all we will be able to get for him is a Losman jersey and a half eaten bag of Lays potatoe chips. Always nice to start the week off with a good laugh...
GripnRip Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 Another Whitner jock sniffer. Dude sucks, please tell him I said that on his facebook for me. You have no clue about my thoughts on Donte Whitner. My post talks about the OP. You are an angry person and perhaps should consider medicating yourself with something besides online message boards and facebook.
GOBILLS78 Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 Like it or not, this is a huge year for Whitner in my book. You can justify his ineffectiveness any way you want (it's the scheme! ), but any way you cut it, an eighth overall pick can't be largely invisible. As far as my opinion of him, this will be the make-or-break season.
BUFFALOTONE Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 Ed Reed is an unbelievable talent because he has had unbelievable players around him for the majority of his career. When you get constant pressure on a Qb and force teams to throw it way before he is ready to or because your run D is stout that makes the probability of a INT's more likely. Granted Reed is the best at his position in the last 10 years he still know what to do with the ball once he has it. Would trade half of our D for Ed.
BuffaloBill Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 Im sorry your right, the coaching staff does not want Whitner to make plays or cover the tight ends so they don't blow by him everytime. And that 2 interceptions in three years is problably 2 more than the coaching staff wouldve liked. Since you seem to know that the coaching staff does not want him to make plays, Is his role in the defense to get tasered at night clubs? As you and Dick Jauron would say "Of course we wouldve liked him not to have screamed when he hit the floor, but that's part of getting tasered. Hopefully we can improve on it for next time. He showed a lot of effort when he was rolling around on the ground for a minute there. It's a learning process and we as coaches have to have patience." Sorry but while you can argue his actions off the field are objectionable they have nothing to do with his play on the field. Your post makes no sense. If you want to argue that he should be traded because he may negatively impact the team due to his behavior off the field (ala Packman Jones) then do so. However, to suggest there is a tie between his role in the defense and getting tasered is without basis.
VJ91 Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 People who don't understand how our defense works and Whitner's role in our defense make me want to... :w00t: :wallbash: :wallbash: Perhaps if Whitner wasn't playing 3 or 4 yards from the line of scrimmage on most plays, he could be better in the passing game? Ed Reed wouldn't get interceptions either if he was being asked to do what Whitner has been... And what has Whitner been asked to to in our awesome 11-gap, oops, I mean, 2-gap defense, play some kind of 4th linebacker/strong safety role, or something? Wow, that would make him even more invisible then he has been in my eyes. Have I missed something? Has he led the Bills in tackles these past 3 years? Has he led the Bills defense to being number one against the run these past 3 years? I certainly have not noticed that. I have noticed him being quite average in pass coverage, and in run support. I'll say it again. For being drafted number 8 overall three years ago, Whitner sucks. He sucks a little less then the safety the Raiders drafted just before the Bills took Donte in that same draft, Michael Huff. Huff has been just about as invisible as Whitner his first 3 years also. And oh by the way, I'm sure the Ravens are very happy they have Ed Reed playing their style of defense instead of Donte Whitner, no matter how different (or I should say better) then the Bills defense, it is!
Glass To The Arson Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 I like Whitner but he's doing a good job. He just needs to work on covering the middle IMO
The Dean Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 The most vivid memories I have of Donte Whitner up to this point in his career are watching mediocre tight ends run right by him, or him draped on their back as they go up and catch the ball over the deep middle. Then you need to get a better memory, or learn to watch the game more carefully.
WVUFootball29 Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 Then you need to get a better memory, or learn to watch the game more carefully. I think a lot of posters could benefit from that. Then again, half of them don't know what they are looking at. If a player isn't producing Tecmo Bowl or Madden-like numbers, then he sucks and should be traded. Which is another point that makes know sense. If a player is that bad, who in their right mind would trade for them? Seriously, are you that delusional to think the the Bills FO that was "stupid" to draft a player is smart enough to trade that player for a team that would take him? Bit of a contradiction there. Even if a trade were to happen, who is Buffalo going to get to step in and be more productive than Whitner?
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