offsides#76FredSmerlas Posted June 20, 2009 Posted June 20, 2009 Aaron Schobel in my opinion has not even come close to earning the money we gave him a few years back. I always wondered if it had anything to do with his dramatic weight loss. His stats from 2002-2006, 8.5, 11.5, 8, 12, and 14 sacks. Then in 2007 he dropped to 6.5 sacks and then in 2008 when he was injured after 4 or 5 games, 1 sack. If you look at his weight from his rookie season up until 2006 he played anywhere from 262 to 264lbs. In 2007, 2008, and 2009 his weight is recorded at 243lbs. He lost 20lbs. Does anyone think there is a correlation between his recent weight loss and his performance. Did he sacrafice to much strength to try and increase his speed?
billsfan_34 Posted June 20, 2009 Posted June 20, 2009 Aaron Schobel in my opinion has not even come close to earning the money we gave him a few years back. I always wondered if it had anything to do with his dramatic weight loss. His stats from 2002-2006, 8.5, 11.5, 8, 12, and 14 sacks. Then in 2007 he dropped to 6.5 sacks and then in 2008 when he was injured after 4 or 5 games, 1 sack. If you look at his weight from his rookie season up until 2006 he played anywhere from 262 to 264lbs. In 2007, 2008, and 2009 his weight is recorded at 243lbs. He lost 20lbs. Does anyone think there is a correlation between his recent weight loss and his performance. Did he sacrafice to much strength to try and increase his speed? I definitely think his weight is one major reason for his drop in performance. I also think his attitude sucks also. There is a reason why he has never been a captain. From what I hear, he is somewhat introverted and nasty. Not the typical team player who will be respected by his peers. I also think he is near the end of his rope. IMO I dont think Aaron Schoebel would start or even make it on half of the teams in the NFL.
smuvtalker Posted June 20, 2009 Posted June 20, 2009 Aaron Schobel in my opinion has not even come close to earning the money we gave him a few years back. I always wondered if it had anything to do with his dramatic weight loss. His stats from 2002-2006, 8.5, 11.5, 8, 12, and 14 sacks. Then in 2007 he dropped to 6.5 sacks and then in 2008 when he was injured after 4 or 5 games, 1 sack. If you look at his weight from his rookie season up until 2006 he played anywhere from 262 to 264lbs. In 2007, 2008, and 2009 his weight is recorded at 243lbs. He lost 20lbs. Does anyone think there is a correlation between his recent weight loss and his performance. Did he sacrafice to much strength to try and increase his speed? I think you make a valid point. 243 is, IMO, a little light in the arse for an every down defensive end. I certainly hope that what you're suggesting is the case rather than what could also be true, and that is just maybe his skills are declining. Let's hope 2009 sees him regain his old form. I'd be happy with 8-10 sacks from Schobel this year...
smuvtalker Posted June 20, 2009 Posted June 20, 2009 I definitely think his weight is one major reason for his drop in performance. I also think his attitude sucks also. There is a reason why he has never been a captain. From what I hear, he is somewhat introverted and nasty. Not the typical team player who will be respected by his peers. I also think he is near the end of his rope. IMO I dont think Aaron Schoebel would start or even make it on half of the teams in the NFL. He doesn't seem to be very friendly or engaging. Luckily for us, he doesn't have to be. I can't really argue with your statement that he might be nearing the end of his rope, but after this season, we should be able to either argue for or against that point. I disagree with you though, I do think he would be a starter on most NFL teams. (when healthy)
KD in CA Posted June 20, 2009 Posted June 20, 2009 I think you make a valid point. 243 is, IMO, a little light in the arse for an every down defensive end. I'd say it's very light for a DE. Undersized DEs is a big reason for the Bills' crappy run defense.
FutureBillsGM Posted June 20, 2009 Posted June 20, 2009 He doesn't seem to be very friendly or engaging. Luckily for us, he doesn't have to be. I can't really argue with your statement that he might be nearing the end of his rope, but after this season, we should be able to either argue for or against that point. I disagree with you though, I do think he would be a starter on most NFL teams. (when healthy) Last summer, I was on a driving range with Aaron and he was very friendly with the few people who came up and interrupted his lesson to meet him. I was impressed. He chatted with my brother who was working in the pro shop for for a bit. Did not seem nasty or standoffish.
Fewell733 Posted June 20, 2009 Posted June 20, 2009 All Schobel needs to do to return to being effective is get healthy. The little he played last year he was playing with a lisfranc injury that typically ends seasons. You have no spring off of one of your feet. I don't think his weight is the issue.
billsfan_34 Posted June 20, 2009 Posted June 20, 2009 He doesn't seem to be very friendly or engaging. Luckily for us, he doesn't have to be. I can't really argue with your statement that he might be nearing the end of his rope, but after this season, we should be able to either argue for or against that point. I disagree with you though, I do think he would be a starter on most NFL teams. (when healthy) Well on the field is where you should be nasty but not in the locker room. Do you agree with that? I mean team chemistry is such a large part in winning football games. At 243 lbs...do you really think he would start for the giants, cowboys, ravens, steelers etc... I am talking about the upper 50 percent of the teams in the league.
billsfan_34 Posted June 20, 2009 Posted June 20, 2009 All Schobel needs to do to return to being effective is get healthy. The little he played last year he was playing with a lisfranc injury that typically ends seasons. You have no spring off of one of your feet. I don't think his weight is the issue. Good point...lets wait and see when healthy if he gets pushed around or not. There are linebackers in this league that are bigger and stronger than him. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. If he doesnt have a good year, the whole defense will suffer tremendously and that will definitely spell the end of dicky poo.
Captain Quint Posted June 20, 2009 Posted June 20, 2009 Well on the field is where you should be nasty but not in the locker room. Do you agree with that? I mean team chemistry is such a large part in winning football games. At 243 lbs...do you really think he would start for the giants, cowboys, ravens, steelers etc... I am talking about the upper 50 percent of the teams in the league. I think he'd start for most teams, and even the ones named above, would contribute to their pass rush when he's healthy. That's the biggest question mark now. At age 32 (when the season starts), can he return to his old self? I'd say that he's lost a step, but I honestly can't remember the last time he was healthy. Wasn't he battling minor injuries in 2007 too?
VOR Posted June 20, 2009 Posted June 20, 2009 I've only really read of Schobel having a bad attitude towards the press. And while he doesn't show-up to OTA's, he still keeps himself in shape.
Captain Quint Posted June 20, 2009 Posted June 20, 2009 I think he'd start for most teams, and even the ones named above, would contribute to their pass rush when he's healthy. That's the biggest question mark now. At age 32 (when the season starts), can he return to his old self? I'd say that he's lost a step, but I honestly can't remember the last time he was healthy. Wasn't he battling minor injuries in 2007 too? Nevermind. Just checked and he was healthy in 2007, or at least started all of the games: He started in 116 consecutive games with the Bills from 2003 until 2008, when he was on the inactive list for a game against the San Diego Chargers due to an injured foot. Well, I think you said it in the post above. This year will tell the tale.
DIE HARD 1967 Posted June 20, 2009 Posted June 20, 2009 I believe Aaron Schobel needs surgery and decided not to risk his career when he was advised by the medical staff this was his best option. I guess we will find out who was right during training camp and preseason Added weight? Not sure on that one!
Steely Dan Posted June 20, 2009 Posted June 20, 2009 Article on Schobel. "I still feel it, but once I start running, it doesn't bother me," Schobel said. "I think it's going to nag me, but as far as affecting the way I play, I won't feel it." Schobel said he's learned how to play with the discomfort because he has scar tissue in his right foot from an injury he experienced four years ago. "I feel I've still got the speed I've always had and the quickness I've had," Schobel said. "The only thing that feels different for me from three, four years ago, is that it takes a little longer to get loose. But once I'm loose, I'm the same as always."
billsfan_34 Posted June 20, 2009 Posted June 20, 2009 I think he'd start for most teams, and even the ones named above, would contribute to their pass rush when he's healthy. That's the biggest question mark now. At age 32 (when the season starts), can he return to his old self? I'd say that he's lost a step, but I honestly can't remember the last time he was healthy. Wasn't he battling minor injuries in 2007 too? I disagree. I dont think there is anyway he would start on the steelers, ravens or giants. Hes just not as good as the players they have on those teams.
Buffalonian-at-Heart Posted June 20, 2009 Posted June 20, 2009 The coaching staff asked Schobel to loose the weight as they employed the Tampa 2. Remember when everyone started loosing weight on the defense? Well Schobel has never been the same. I think there is a direct correlation between his weight and his effectiveness. But to me here is the real issue. Even when Schobel was at his best, he was never really an impact player. He never changed the game, or changed the way an offense played. He put up decent numbers a couple years in sacks and tackles, and one great year in sacks but not tackles. But was never really a guy that made everyone else around him better, or could carry a defense for a game. And to me that is all I expect out of a player getting payed to be one of the best in the league. Not to have years where you dominate, but have games where you impact the way that game was played. He is a slightly above average player at his best, a decent player when he's not, and a question mark when dealing with an injury.
Tcali Posted June 20, 2009 Posted June 20, 2009 I definitely think his weight is one major reason for his drop in performance. I also think his attitude sucks also. There is a reason why he has never been a captain. From what I hear, he is somewhat introverted and nasty. Not the typical team player who will be respected by his peers. I also think he is near the end of his rope. IMO I dont think Aaron Schoebel would start or even make it on half of the teams in the NFL. I like the fact that he is introverted and nasty.And I always thought that he has been hard working.-I think the problem is is that he became way overrated when playing beside Fat Pat and even fat Ted at the end of his career--garnering cheapo sack stats that gave a false impression of his overall level of play.-No complaints about his attitude and toughness though. Its not his fault that he is of average talent.
generaLee83 Posted June 20, 2009 Posted June 20, 2009 I guess he could put on some weight for this season I however see him departing along with Jauron at the end of next year. Unless Schobel returns to his 10+ sack form it would be stupid for the team to keep him at his cost. The guy is an overpaid joke IMO and his big numbers are usually accrued at the end of games when no one gives a shitt.
generaLee83 Posted June 20, 2009 Posted June 20, 2009 The coaching staff asked Schobel to loose the weight as they employed the Tampa 2. Remember when everyone started loosing weight on the defense? Well Schobel has never been the same. I think there is a direct correlation between his weight and his effectiveness. But to me here is the real issue. Even when Schobel was at his best, he was never really an impact player. He never changed the game, or changed the way an offense played. He put up decent numbers a couple years in sacks and tackles, and one great year in sacks but not tackles. But was never really a guy that made everyone else around him better, or could carry a defense for a game. And to me that is all I expect out of a player getting payed to be one of the best in the league. Not to have years where you dominate, but have games where you impact the way that game was played. He is a slightly above average player at his best, a decent player when he's not, and a question mark when dealing with an injury. Completely agree, I honestly don't see him as such a threat that other teams need to game plan around him. The only thing an opposing left tackle needs to do to contain Schobel is to match his 30 yard dash straight into the backfield and then keep him from swooping in for the coverage sack. The swoop sack ala Aaron Schobel.
Steely Dan Posted June 20, 2009 Posted June 20, 2009 Completely agree, I honestly don't see him as such a threat that other teams need to game plan around him. The only thing an opposing left tackle needs to do to contain Schobel is to match his 30 yard dash straight into the backfield and then keep him from swooping in for the coverage sack. The swoop sack ala Aaron Schobel. Yeah, 14 sacks sucks. The second best DE in Bills history sucks.
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