Adam Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Flutie could have been and should've been one of the best, had he been allowed to play in the league. His biggest disadvantage was also his biggest advantage. At 5'8"ish, most defenders were unable to properly see him behind the line. Thus, he never telegraphed plays giving that split second advantage to both the running backs and the receivers. In a game of inches every little advantage counts. Its a shame that he was banished to the CFL because all the guy ever did was win. Forget other stats - he just won. He was unstoppable. If they "allowed" him in the NFL, he would put up a zillion yards and a zillion touchdowns! If the thing about him being small worked, other teams would bring in smurfs to play QB. We never did anything when we had him- and no, making the playoffs isn't doing much of anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 oh brother...you're another one of those people who thinks the QB is the only one on the team #1 defense in the league in 1999...I never saw the midget play on that top-ranked defense The Bills were #9 in the league in defense in '97 and #6 in '98. Pretty stout defenses. How come those defenses couldn't win games with Todd Collins, Alex Van Pelt, and Rob Johnson, but could with Flutie? Remember the '98 team had it's run with both RJ and DF. The results speak for themselves. Since the QB is just one of 40 guys on the team, swapping out only one guy shouldn't make a difference, right? Funny how it did though. I never said the QB is the only one on team. I wish you wouldn't put words in my mouth. I have said and will continue to say though that the QB it THE MOST IMPORTANT position on the team and has THE BIGGEST IMPACT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Philster Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 The Bills were #9 in the league in defense in '97 and #6 in '98. Pretty stout defenses. How come those defenses couldn't win game with Todd Collins, Alex Van Pelt, and Rob Johnson, but could with Flutie? Since the QB is just one of 40 guys on the team, swapping out only one shouldn't make a difference, right? I never said the QB is the only one on team. I wish you wouldn't put words in my mouth. I have said and will continue to say though that the QB it THE MOST IMPORTANT You know...when you bring up something totally off-topic to help prove your point, you prove you can't make your point at all. I never once said that Collins, AVP, or RJ were better than Flutie...talk about putting words in one's mouth...I never even brought any of them up. Flutie sucked on his own. Let me just clue you in on something...if one QB sucks, it doesn't automatically make another one good. Better start reading your own posts a little better. Flutie didn't lead us to the playoffs in 99..the defense did WHATEVER When Flutie was QB here we won a lot of games. Before he got here we didn't win many and after he left we didn't win many either. That's all that counts. If you win by 2 or you win by 42, it counts as 1 in the W column. In the words of Rat Face Al "Just win baby". Flutie led us to 10-5 in '99 playing in every game missing none due to injuries. Have we had a QB since he left be able to come close to that? From where I'm sitting, not being in the playoffs in 10 years or a winning season in 5, that sounds pretty good. And it is good. We could use a man like that around here now. You're talking as if adding a guy like Flutie would magically make us win. I hate to break it to you, but we had great defenses when he was playing. Are you actually trying to say that the defenses were great because of the midget? There's a guy getting inducted into the Hall of Fame next weekend who had more to do with that than Flutie could ever have dreamed of being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 You know...when you bring up something totally off-topic to help prove your point, you prove you can't make your point at all. I never once said that Collins, AVP, or RJ were better than Flutie...talk about putting words in one's mouth...I never even brought any of them up. Flutie sucked on his own.Let me just clue you in on something...if one QB sucks, it doesn't automatically make another one good. Better start reading your own posts a little better. Flutie didn't lead us to the playoffs in 99..the defense did Actually they both did. I still don't see how pointing out that they had stout defenses in '97 and '98 and the defense couldn't do it by themselves to win even half the their games before Flutie came along. Then they win 22 out of the 33 games over 3 years he played in or something very close to that. You're talking as if adding a guy like Flutie would magically make us win. I hate to break it to you, but we had great defenses when he was playing. Are you actually trying to say that the defenses were great because of the midget? There's a guy getting inducted into the Hall of Fame next weekend who had more to do with that than Flutie could ever have dreamed of being. This is your opinion and you're entitled to it no matter how dumb it is. All I was trying to say is we had good defenses before he got here and didn't win jack. He came and somehow, magically or otherwise, or maybe Bruce finally figured out how to play defense, we started to win. It wasn't on his talent alone, he inspired the other guys around him to play better. He had leadership ability. You can argue that all you want, but I saw it for myself on TV AND at the Ralph in person. Discount that all you want. Continue to revise history if it makes you feel better. I don't know where you come from, but where I come from if a guy QBs a team to the playoffs 2 years in a row, he's no slouch. He's a pretty decent QB at the very least regardless of kind of defense he has. He certainly doesn't suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLflutie7 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 You know...when you bring up something totally off-topic to help prove your point, you prove you can't make your point at all. I never once said that Collins, AVP, or RJ were better than Flutie...talk about putting words in one's mouth...I never even brought any of them up. Flutie sucked on his own.Let me just clue you in on something...if one QB sucks, it doesn't automatically make another one good. Better start reading your own posts a little better. Flutie didn't lead us to the playoffs in 99..the defense did You're talking as if adding a guy like Flutie would magically make us win. I hate to break it to you, but we had great defenses when he was playing. Are you actually trying to say that the defenses were great because of the midget? There's a guy getting inducted into the Hall of Fame next weekend who had more to do with that than Flutie could ever have dreamed of being. It's you anti-Flutie nuts who can't make an arguement. You can't illustrate a point without saying Flutie sucked or something to that effect. We don't have to bring other QBs into the discussion to illustrate a point, but I think it makes a more compelling arguement. A better arguement for you anti-Flutie's would be to look at the 88 rush attempts as something that's a little less desirable. It could be said that the offense lacked some with less passing attempts. That would be a better arguement than saying he sucked or always sucked or we can "wank ourselves" to a Flutie poster. A funny thing happened to me at a shopping mall. I looked at a Miami Dolphin shirt and a store clerk asked me what I thought about the fins. He said he was a big Dolphins fan. I said with Pat White, they might be able to do some damage. Damage in the running game, not passing. The kid quickly agreed with me and said White would never be a good QB in the NFL because his skill set is running, not passing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Holy !@#$ing shiit. Twenty-six !@#$ing pages. What a joke. BTW...... Flutie Sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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