trolls_r_us Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 I have friends all over the country from my time working in airlines. Every time I have had a friend visit and took them around the city and area, they are amazed at all the cool stuff that is here. People come up from New York City to see some of the cultural offerings. There is a lot here, people from WNY just seem to have some inferiority complex that is not deserved. Buffalo is not NYC. Then again, what city is?
Chandler#81 Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 Agree, I do not know why I try. You will just never convince some people(even some people that used to live here) that we do not have 8 months of winter, we do not get snow in May, the lake does not unfreeze sometime in June & the only nice day of the year around here weatherwise is the 4th of July. It is funny, it is okay to make fun of buffalo & WNY because people feel entitled because they once lived here, but make fun of other poster's current hometown & the same people that say Buffalonians have thin skin get really defensive. Assuming you have never left WNY, I've still spent many more years there than you, making me at least more of an authority on it's weather, given a longer body of experience. The only aspect I exagerated on is NYC's signifcantly different weather than WNY, since you brought it up. Here's a list of U.S. cities in pop: http://www.city-data.com/top1.html Remove your thinskinned doomshield and in your best guess, which is all you can do if you've never left home, tell me where you think Buffalo's annual clime rates among the top 68. I didn't say WNY has an 8 month winter, you did. But check a calendar. Winter is only 3 months long. Winter weather has never been over in 3 months in WNY. Far from making fun of Buffalo's weather, I'm sad that it's so nasty and gloomy for so long that I no longer want to live there. P.S. It sure the !@#$ DOES snow there in May!
San Jose Bills Fan Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 "The weather here is not bad. That's a huge plus for all of us. We need good weather and certainly I think the guys in this building would agree that we enjoy nice weather. We need to be more competitive in a great league and a great division and good weather is part of that equation. If you can get good weather, you can attract a lot of attention. When you're getting good weather, then they only have so many ways they can configure the defense. If we can pass the ball effectively, the defense has to make more decisions. Weather is an important component to the passing offense. Mother Nature has to decide what she wants to do and how she wants to do it. We've got to recognize it and take advantage of it. That's what she brings, and her numbers bear it out. It's up to us to work hard, and certainly I'm pleased with our effort and intensity. If we continue to work hard and I certainly believe that we will, and if the weather is good, then we have an opportunity to be successful in the passing game." Dick Jauron when asked about the weather in Buffalo.
Chalkie Gerzowski Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 I have a relative who lives in Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan. Now THAT is some nasty winter weather.
gmac17 Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 the difference between the weather in Buffalo and NYC is very big. Especially in the spring and fall - the extra month of fall and the extra month of spring on each side is huge.
Gordio Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 Assuming you have never left WNY, I've still spent many more years there than you, making me at least more of an authority on it's weather, given a longer body of experience. The only aspect I exagerated on is NYC's signifcantly different weather than WNY, since you brought it up. Here's a list of U.S. cities in pop: http://www.city-data.com/top1.html Remove your thinskinned doomshield and in your best guess, which is all you can do if you've never left home, tell me where you think Buffalo's annual clime rates among the top 68. I didn't say WNY has an 8 month winter, you did. But check a calendar. Winter is only 3 months long. Winter weather has never been over in 3 months in WNY. Far from making fun of Buffalo's weather, I'm sad that it's so nasty and gloomy for so long that I no longer want to live there. P.S. It sure the !@#$ DOES snow there in May! I have lived here all my life which is to say I have lived here 35 years, like mentioned earlier the only other place I have lived is Syracuse; which is pretty similar to Buffalo weatherwise expect they get a hell of alot more snow. I am not defending the weather in Buffalo, I know there are alot nicer places to live weather wise then Buff, all I am saying is the weather is not as bad as people like you make it out to be. I always tell my wife that if I ever decide to move away the main issue is going to be the weather. See I love to golf. I usually golf from April to Thanksgiving. This year has been unusually dry & I actually got 3 rounds played in March. I have left home plenty,. Have been to NC, SC, Knoxville, New orleans, Dallas, Arizona, Vegas, Chicago, Cleveland, pittsburgh, Philadelpjia, DC, South/North/Central Florida, Atlanta, NYC, LA, Seatle, other places I am sure I am forgetting. I have just never lived anywhere else. The only place I have ever visited & when it was time to leave I said to myself "man, I wish I lived here" was San Diego. BTW, I am sure it has but I do not ever remember it snowing in May & if it did it certainly melted the next day.
Gordio Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 the difference between the weather in Buffalo and NYC is very big. Especially in the spring and fall - the extra month of fall and the extra month of spring on each side is huge. I agree, you do get a bit longer spring & fall & the 5 extra degrees they usually get keeps from any big snow accumlation. But in NY, it rains a hell of alot more then it does here. It rains more in the summer & it rains more in the fall. I travel alot to NYC & I am always having my flight delayed in the summer because some thunderstorm is coming thru.
Tcali Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 the difference between the weather in Buffalo and NYC is very big. Especially in the spring and fall - the extra month of fall and the extra month of spring on each side is huge. its the steam coming out of the sewer grates that does it
Gordio Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 Assuming you have never left WNY, I've still spent many more years there than you, making me at least more of an authority on it's weather, given a longer body of experience. The only aspect I exagerated on is NYC's signifcantly different weather than WNY, since you brought it up. Here's a list of U.S. cities in pop: http://www.city-data.com/top1.html Remove your thinskinned doomshield and in your best guess, which is all you can do if you've never left home, tell me where you think Buffalo's annual clime rates among the top 68. I didn't say WNY has an 8 month winter, you did. But check a calendar. Winter is only 3 months long. Winter weather has never been over in 3 months in WNY. Far from making fun of Buffalo's weather, I'm sad that it's so nasty and gloomy for so long that I no longer want to live there. P.S. It sure the !@#$ DOES snow there in May! Oh BTW, out of the top 68, I would have to say the only places that have an average lower climtae then ours are Chicago, Milwakee & Minneapolis. With that being said, there are probably another 15 cities that are with 5-8 degrees of the average for Buffalo.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 Oh BTW, out of the top 68, I would have to say the only places that have an average lower climtae then ours are Chicago, Milwakee & Minneapolis. With that being said, there are probably another 15 cities that are with 5-8 degrees of the average for Buffalo. "I think most people know I grew up in New England. There's some inclement weather up there too. You can get some nasty nor'easters as bad as any lake effect snow around here. Does it affect you? I think you'd be lying if you said, No. Can you let it affect you? If you let it affect you and control you, then it's not a very good thing. You just live with it like everybody lives with things. I've been lucky. I love what I do, and I love being here. So in all honesty, the weather in Buffalo is no different than it was in Chicago when I was there or Detroit when I was there, or in Green Bay or Minnesota where I've played and coached. I don't think the results have changed very much and certainly the weather in all these cities is about the same. As I said already, Mother Nature makes the call and we as an organization, and I put that responsibility on myself, have to take what she dictates and adjust accordingly." Dick Jauron when asked about the weather in the cities he's worked in.
zazie Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 Huh? In terms of "natural beauty", Buffalo is unparalleled in the USA? Um, OK - unless you compare it to Boston, Newport, DC, Chicago, Charleston, Ft. Lauderdale, Boca Raton, Naples, San Francisco, Santa Barabra, San Diego, and dozens of other cities. Buffalo has (or once had) its great aspects, but 'unparalleled in natural beauty'? Hardly. Chicago in the summertime, San Fran maybe also, compares. Boston, Newport, anywhere in Florida, San Diego, Santa Barbara, do not compare to the beauty of Western new York in summer and fall. Jesus, San Diego is an effing hellhole, Boca full with tweakers and highly visible displays of mans disregard for our envirnment, these are terrible places. Unreal you could even begin to compare. Santa Barbara inland is ok but it rarely rains and the beach is dirty dirty dirty.
Ray Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 Moved back a few years ago and do not regret it at all. Plenty to do, great restaurants, affordable housing, and of course the Bills....lots of coverage all year round. The weather gets really overplayed. Now, if you are someone who needs it sunny and 75 for 9 months out of the year then do not come back. If you do not mind 5 months of of mostly very nice weather May-Sept, and 3 months of awful weather and 4 months of weather where it is not warm by any stretch but you can go out, wear a fleece and jeans and be fine then you'll be okay. There really is a lot to do....sports, restaurants, the Falls, Niagara on the Lake, casinos, lots of outdoor activities, lake activities. The area is really blessed with natual beauty and a lot to do. The cons definitely are terrible taxes and locally run gov't..........if you move to Florida, NC, VA you can expect to pay about 50% in property taxes for as good services and schools that you get here. Weather, like I said depending on your need. November really starts the downslide but you get nice sunny 50 degree days too that are crisp and very nice. Keep in mind the Northeast, midwest and pacific NW are not exactly tropical paradise!! What it will come down to is family and employment opportunity. If you can get the same job here, have family here you will probably be very happy. It is very underappreciated and it has the best most community oriented people I have ever been around.
mrags Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 Moved back a few years ago and do not regret it at all. Plenty to do, great restaurants, affordable housing, and of course the Bills....lots of coverage all year round. The weather gets really overplayed. Now, if you are someone who needs it sunny and 75 for 9 months out of the year then do not come back. If you do not mind 5 months of of mostly very nice weather May-Sept, and 3 months of awful weather and 4 months of weather where it is not warm by any stretch but you can go out, wear a fleece and jeans and be fine then you'll be okay. There really is a lot to do....sports, restaurants, the Falls, Niagara on the Lake, casinos, lots of outdoor activities, lake activities. The area is really blessed with natual beauty and a lot to do.The cons definitely are terrible taxes and locally run gov't..........if you move to Florida, NC, VA you can expect to pay about 50% in property taxes for as good services and schools that you get here. Weather, like I said depending on your need. November really starts the downslide but you get nice sunny 50 degree days too that are crisp and very nice. Keep in mind the Northeast, midwest and pacific NW are not exactly tropical paradise!!What it will come down to is family and employment opportunity. If you can get the same job here, have family here you will probably be very happy. It is very underappreciated and it has the best most community oriented people I have ever been around.
mrags Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 "I think most people know I grew up in New England. There's some inclement weather up there too. You can get some nasty nor'easters as bad as any lake effect snow around here. Does it affect you? I think you'd be lying if you said, No. Can you let it affect you? If you let it affect you and control you, then it's not a very good thing. You just live with it like everybody lives with things. I've been lucky. I love what I do, and I love being here. So in all honesty, the weather in Buffalo is no different than it was in Chicago when I was there or Detroit when I was there, or in Green Bay or Minnesota where I've played and coached. I don't think the results have changed very much and certainly the weather in all these cities is about the same. As I said already, Mother Nature makes the call and we as an organization, and I put that responsibility on myself, have to take what she dictates and adjust accordingly." Dick Jauron when asked about the weather in the cities he's worked in. Your cracking me up with these Dick jokes.
The Senator Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 Chicago in the summertime, San Fran maybe also, compares. Boston, Newport, anywhere in Florida, San Diego, Santa Barbara, do not compare to the beauty of Western new York in summer and fall. Jesus, San Diego is an effing hellhole, Boca full with tweakers and highly visible displays of mans disregard for our envirnment, these are terrible places. Unreal you could even begin to compare. Santa Barbara inland is ok but it rarely rains and the beach is dirty dirty dirty. Uh, no. You must be comparing these places to the pristine beauty of Buffalo's Fruit Belt maybe? Or the Genessee Street Corridor? Perhaps the Broadway/Fillmore area? Or possible the gorgeous, gorgeous Lower West Side? Having lived in DC, Newport RI, Boston, and San Francisco - and having spent much time in the others, I can state incontrovertibly that you're mistaken.
metzelaars_lives Posted June 18, 2009 Author Posted June 18, 2009 There seems to be three schools of thought on this thread: type a) Buffalo is the best place in the world, I love everything about it, I could never/would never want to live anywhere else. Buffalo is nicer than Santa Barbara? These are the brain-washed Buffalonians. type b) I love the Bills, the food, etc., but no way I could ever live there again and type c) Of course I realize that there are much nicer places than Buffalo, but like it or not, it's home. I guess I have to determine whether I'm a type b or c. The type a's need to get out and explore more though... Thanks for the input guys.
8-8 Forever? Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 Lived in DC for 4 years, Boston for 7, San Francisco for 7, then moved back to BuffTown to be closer to aging parents. When I visit Boston, I'm amazed at how things change, move forward, progress, etc. After the Big Dig, it's a whole new city. OTOH, what I noticed about Buffalo is, returning after an 18-year absence, how little has changed. Sure, we've demolished a few more historically significant structures to make room for more surface parking lots, but otherwise it's pretty much the same as it was when I commuted downtown from Lancaster to attend Canisius High School - except that all the downtown buildings that used to house retail stores are now vacant. There's good reason why housing is so affordable here. Like the Bills, this city will break your heart. Stay away. I could not agree more. I had a very similar experience. what's the old saying.. "you can never go home.." very true in this case.. WNY is horribly backwards relative the rest of the country, its more expensive than you think and the positives do not outweigh the negatives, not any more. I've made a lot of mistakes in 52 years, but moving back there is by far and away no. 1. stay away. IMO.
Sen. John Blutarsky Posted June 19, 2009 Posted June 19, 2009 Buffalo's a nice place to visit but I'm not coming back until they fix the systemic problems with the state. There are enough nice places to live that have easier, less expensive, problems to deal with. Honestly, I don't miss the snow at all. I get one good snowstorm a year here which is plenty. All the little annoying snows close school here anyway so now it's actually fun for me again when it snows (I teach school). Schools never close up there short of biblical events so you are forced to deal with the snow (shoveling multiple times a day, driving on nastyness, being cold and wet in general, etc.) way more often which makes it suck 4 times as bad. Here, I'll get my one 8-12 inch snowstorm a year, be off work for two days, have a good time playing with my kids and go back to work when it's 45 and sunny. Speaking as someone who grew up in WNY, the best month for me now is March. March in Philly = springtime. Sure we get the odd snowstorm and it can be gross on occasion. But in general it starts getting warmer and sunnier on March 1. By March 20 it actually IS springtime down here. Green comes back soooo much faster and the skies aren't 15 shades of gray for 5 months. For me this climate is perfect. I get 4 seasons, it's not too too hot in summer like DC gets and it gets just cold enough in winter that I see snow. Spring and Fall are long and wonderful. It would be hard for me to go back to winter up there. It's not bad when you're used to it but it's tough when you aren't acclimated anymore. I think the best scenario for me to "come home" would be in summers when school is out. if I could afford a little place on the river and a boat I'd be in heaven for June, July and August.
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 19, 2009 Posted June 19, 2009 Biscuit - please, please, please do yourself a favor and get out of Buffalo for a few years. You will NEVER regret being young and spending some time in NY, Boston, San Diego, Chicago or another nice big city. You can always go back to Buffalo, but you can't always pick up and move and experience life somewhere else - which quite honestly is an experience that everyone should have but that many in Buffalo do not. I know and I have friends in Boston, NYC, and LA and I absolutely love it there. I like Buffalo girls but there are so many more there. The craziest thing that in my field (education), Bufalo is one of the better places to work in. I got some decisions to make.
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 19, 2009 Posted June 19, 2009 Uh, no. You must be comparing these places to the pristine beauty of Buffalo's Fruit Belt maybe? Or the Genessee Street Corridor? Perhaps the Broadway/Fillmore area? Or possible the gorgeous, gorgeous Lower West Side? Having lived in DC, Newport RI, Boston, and San Francisco - and having spent much time in the others, I can state incontrovertibly that you're mistaken. DC is one of the most violent cities in American, Newport is a yuppie sailing town, Boston is expensive and has a very racist past, and SF is one of the most expensive cities in the world. The point is all places have their faults. And I'm not naive to think Buffalo is some world class city. All I know is that in my neighborhood, I'm a 5 minute walk from 2 great art galleries, a great park and casino/ lake area, a beautiful historical society, and some really good eating. for what I pay and the amount of space i have, it would be hard to go anyone and beat the value.
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