Max997 Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 Just saw it on sportscenter. sorry no link yet. the broncos are a real mess this offseason... their new head coach has just destroyed that team...he'll be lucky to last more then one year
ganesh Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 My guess is he'll be a Jet if it goes through. Or reunite with his QB at Chicago...Chicago is also looking at Plaxico...It might be easier for signing Plaxico since there will be no compensation. Also, this may be due to fear in the Broncos players that McDaniels will institute the same policy of not paying players at market value and asking them to play for much less, use the team-first concept as a broker for a lower pay....It worked for Belichek because they were winning....
Fingon Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 Or reunite with his QB at Chicago...Chicago is also looking at Plaxico...It might be easier for signing Plaxico since there will be no compensation. Also, this may be due to fear in the Broncos players that McDaniels will institute the same policy of not paying players at market value and asking them to play for much less, use the team-first concept as a broker for a lower pay....It worked for Belichek because they were winning.... What would Chicago trade? They have no first round pick next year, and I doubt Denver would want Tampa 2 personnel for their 3-4 defense. Chicago really screwed up. They got a QB that makes bad decisions and likes to force the ball into very tight windows, all while not having a solid foundation for him to succeed. It's going to be brutal in Chicago. Cutler could very well throw 25 INTs.
Big Turk Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 Just saw it on sportscenter. sorry no link yet. the broncos are a real mess this offseason... Great way to ensure you have a winning team by the new coach----run their pro bowl QB and WR out of town... Always amazes me when these guys come in and cause problems resulting in their best players wanting out and they blame it on something else...
billsfreak Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 I am somewhat shocked. Someone started a post that someone in the NFL wants to be traded and we haven't had a "Get'r Done Russ" yet? Are people slipping around here or just joining reality?
Flbillsfan#1 Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 Not really, the Broncos traded a semi-good QB for a decent QB. He should be more concerned about the offensive system he's going to be in. The Broncos won't throw the ball 40 times a game under McDaniels, and Marshall's stats won't be so ridiculously inflated because of it. He needs to get his contract done now, because he will lose a lot of bargaining power when he doesn't get 15 balls a game thrown his way. Marshall is a top 10 WR, but he probably wants the biggest contract amount for his position. The Broncos got instantly better by trading Cutler away. It is unacceptable to have 22 turnovers to 27 TDs when you have the best offensive line and a top 5 receiving corps. If you thinkCutler is semi-good, what is Trent?
Fingon Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 If you thinkCutler is semi-good, what is Trent? He's about as good as Cutler at this point in his career. Give Trent the best offensive line in football, a top WR corps, a pass catching TE, and a strong running game. He would put up similar numbers to Cutler, except he wouldn't throw as many INTs.
Flbillsfan#1 Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 He's about as good as Cutler at this point in his career. Give Trent the best offensive line in football, a top WR corps, a pass catching TE, and a strong running game. He would put up similar numbers to Cutler, except he wouldn't throw as many INTs. We will find out this year. The Bills have MUCH BETTER receivers than the Bears, so that should help Trent although Trent is SADDLED with Dick.
Mr. WEO Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 Not really, the Broncos traded a semi-good QB for a decent QB. The Broncos got instantly better by trading Cutler away. Pure gold.
billsfreak Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 He's about as good as Cutler at this point in his career. Give Trent the best offensive line in football, a top WR corps, a pass catching TE, and a strong running game. He would put up similar numbers to Cutler, except he wouldn't throw as many INTs. I hope he does soon, but at this point, Edwards doesn't come close to Cutler yet. Edwards has shown flashes of brilliance, but has had as many bad games, if not more than good games so far. His arm isn't in the same league as Cutler's. Edwards has had just as good of if not a better running game than Cutler since he has been starting and probably just as good (or close to) of a receiving corps. The previous post someone left was accurate, the Bills and Bears are very similar in talent level, so this year will tell if Edwards is in the same league as Cutler.
VOR Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 Cutler is in for a rude awakening in Chicago. His record is 17-20 (should be 16-21, if not for Ed Hochuli's monumental screw-up last season) as a starter, hasn't taken his team to the playoffs, and with Shanahan as his OC and the talent around him last year, he had 27 TD's (2 rushing) but committed 20 turnovers (including 2 lost fumbles). In Chicago, his only decent receiving options will be Greg Olsen and Matt Forte.
VOR Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 I hope he does soon, but at this point, Edwards doesn't come close to Cutler yet. Edwards has shown flashes of brilliance, but has had as many bad games, if not more than good games so far. His arm isn't in the same league as Cutler's. Edwards has had just as good of if not a better running game than Cutler since he has been starting and probably just as good (or close to) of a receiving corps. The previous post someone left was accurate, the Bills and Bears are very similar in talent level, so this year will tell if Edwards is in the same league as Cutler. While I agree that Cutler has a better arm and that Trent needs to prove himself, how you can claim that the Bills have "as good if not a better" running game as the Broncos is inexplicable. Not to mention the difference in quality of OC's. And the Bears don't even have close to what the Bills have offensively this year.
Fingon Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 I hope he does soon, but at this point, Edwards doesn't come close to Cutler yet. Edwards has shown flashes of brilliance, but has had as many bad games, if not more than good games so far. His arm isn't in the same league as Cutler's. Edwards has had just as good of if not a better running game than Cutler since he has been starting and probably just as good (or close to) of a receiving corps. The previous post someone left was accurate, the Bills and Bears are very similar in talent level, so this year will tell if Edwards is in the same league as Cutler. Maybe you should check the stats man. Cutler had a top 10 running game. 12th in yards and 2nd in YPC. You are misinformed about the receiving corps as well. Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal >>>>>>> Lee Evans and Josh Reed. How many yards do you think Edwards would throw for if you put him on the Broncos, and gave him 40 attempts a game? Not to mention Ryan Clady is a top 5 LT, and he had a top TE in Tony Scheffler. The Broncos are absolutely STACKED on offense.
Ramius Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 Not sure that would be allowed. He wants a new contract based on his on-field performance. The Broncos, understandably, aren't ready to fork over a bunch of guaranteed money to someone with Marshall's OFF-the-field performance. And Denver just signed Brandon Lloyd. Sit out and rot, Marshall. Now, Marshall is an absolute scumbag, but i think he has a point in his negotiating stance. He's entering what should be the final year of his contract with denver. So normally, he'd be making big bucks in 2010 regardless either as a top paid WR on the market, or 8-9 million on the franchise tag. But he's claiming Denver won't negotiate because of the upcoming labor strife. If 2010 goes uncapped, Marshall is one of the players that would lose UFA status and he'd only be an RFA. So he's not too keen on the broncos being able to control him for only 2 million or so in 2010. I can understand why Devner is reluctant to pay him. He's got the history of beating women frequently and he's basically a slip up away from an 8 or 16 game suspension. (if Goodell follows protocol, which is no guarantee) But they are also sticking it to him by not negotiating. The guy has averaged 103 catches, 1300 yards, and 6.5 TDs over the past 2 years, and Devner only wants to pay him what, 2.5-3 mil total over the next 2 seasons?
Mr. WEO Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 Cutler is in for a rude awakening in Chicago. His record is 17-20 (should be 16-21, if not for Ed Hochuli's monumental screw-up last season) as a starter, hasn't taken his team to the playoffs, and with Shanahan as his OC and the talent around him last year, he had 27 TD's (2 rushing) but committed 20 turnovers (including 2 lost fumbles). In Chicago, his only decent receiving options will be Greg Olsen and Matt Forte. Shanahan was fired before last season (it was in all the papers), so it's doubtful he was Cutler's OC. When your defense gives up 4 TDs a game, it's hard to get to the playoffs, chief. Obviously Fingon didn't notice this either. Cutler had to throw a lot. Jim Kelly went to 2 SBs with worse numbers (and he fumbled more), but he had the luxury of a better defense--anybody gonna argue he was "semi-good"?
Fingon Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 Shanahan was fired before last season (it was in all the papers), so it's doubtful he was Cutler's OC. When your defense gives up 4 TDs a game, it's hard to get to the playoffs, chief. Obviously Fingon didn't notice this either. Cutler had to throw a lot. Jim Kelly went to 2 SBs with worse numbers (and he fumbled more), but he had the luxury of a better defense--anybody gonna argue he was "semi-good"? Gee, maybe his defense would have been better if he didn't give the ball away like it was free candy? Jim Kelly played in a far different era, one where it was rare for multiple players to throw for 4000 yards... now, it is the norm for several QBs do do it. Cutler was 9th ALL TIME in pass attempts last year. Cutlers numbers are severely inflated by the fact that he threw the ball so much. Cutler DID NOT throw the ball with high efficiency last year, in fact TE and Cutler are about the same when it comes to QB rating and YPA. Cutler had a far better team around him, and he couldn't muster a better QB rating or YPA than Trent Edwards? In 1991, the 13th best QB had a rating of 80.3. In 2008 that would have been good for 22nd.
H2o Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 Gee, maybe his defense would have been better if he didn't give the ball away like it was free candy? Jim Kelly played in a far different era, one where it was rare for multiple players to throw for 4000 yards... now, it is the norm for several QBs do do it. Cutler was 9th ALL TIME in pass attempts last year. Cutlers numbers are severely inflated by the fact that he threw the ball so much. Cutler DID NOT throw the ball with high efficiency last year, in fact TE and Cutler are about the same when it comes to QB rating and YPA. Cutler had a far better team around him, and he couldn't muster a better QB rating or YPA than Trent Edwards? In 1991, the 13th best QB had a rating of 80.3. In 2008 that would have been good for 22nd. http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?arc...e&Submit=Go Cutler @ #16 and Edwards @ #17. Good stuff Fingon.
VOR Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 Shanahan was fired before last season (it was in all the papers), so it's doubtful he was Cutler's OC. When your defense gives up 4 TDs a game, it's hard to get to the playoffs, chief. Obviously Fingon didn't notice this either. Cutler had to throw a lot. Jim Kelly went to 2 SBs with worse numbers (and he fumbled more), but he had the luxury of a better defense--anybody gonna argue he was "semi-good"? Mike Shanahan was fired before the 2008 season? Really? What "papers" were these? Rolling papers? And funny how Cutler's losing record and failure to lead his team to the playoffs is someone else's fault. Like his giveaways had nothing to do with it. Mr. CONSISTENCY strikes again.
ganesh Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 Gee, maybe his defense would have been better if he didn't give the ball away like it was free candy? Jim Kelly played in a far different era, one where it was rare for multiple players to throw for 4000 yards... now, it is the norm for several QBs do do it. Cutler was 9th ALL TIME in pass attempts last year. Cutlers numbers are severely inflated by the fact that he threw the ball so much. Cutler DID NOT throw the ball with high efficiency last year, in fact TE and Cutler are about the same when it comes to QB rating and YPA. Cutler had a far better team around him, and he couldn't muster a better QB rating or YPA than Trent Edwards? In 1991, the 13th best QB had a rating of 80.3. In 2008 that would have been good for 22nd. To Cap it Edwards beat him on the Win column in head-to-head matchup.
djcalvin79 Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 Mike Shanahan was fired before the 2008 season? Really? What "papers" were these? Rolling papers?
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