Mickey Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Apart from all the x's and o's and how we do on the filed and on the scoreboard, what I am looking for is a sign that this team has changed. When they lose a game, I want to see some locker room rage, helmets bashing in to walls, angry men yelling at eachother, etc. I want nasty, bitter post game press conferences after a loss, not all this gracious loser, corporate PR stuff about how "we need to play better" and "we need to work harder" I want to see Jauron curse out an official. I want to see some personal fouls, maybe even an ejection or two. Some cheap shots, some fines, some sign that this team has some fire. We have been the Boy Scouts of the NFL for too long. I want a sign from this team that they hate losing, deep in their guts flat out hate, hate, hate, hate losing. I hope TO gets in peoples faces from the start, including the coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frez Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Apart from all the x's and o's and how we do on the filed and on the scoreboard, what I am looking for is a sign that this team has changed. When they lose a game, I want to see some locker room rage, helmets bashing in to walls, angry men yelling at eachother, etc. I want nasty, bitter post game press conferences after a loss, not all this gracious loser, corporate PR stuff about how "we need to play better" and "we need to work harder" I want to see Jauron curse out an official. I want to see some personal fouls, maybe even an ejection or two. Some cheap shots, some fines, some sign that this team has some fire. We have been the Boy Scouts of the NFL for too long. I want a sign from this team that they hate losing, deep in their guts flat out hate, hate, hate, hate losing. I hope TO gets in peoples faces from the start, including the coaches. Amen brother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Apart from all the x's and o's and how we do on the filed and on the scoreboard, what I am looking for is a sign that this team has changed. When they lose a game, I want to see some locker room rage, helmets bashing in to walls, angry men yelling at eachother, etc. I want nasty, bitter post game press conferences after a loss, not all this gracious loser, corporate PR stuff about how "we need to play better" and "we need to work harder" I want to see Jauron curse out an official. I want to see some personal fouls, maybe even an ejection or two. Some cheap shots, some fines, some sign that this team has some fire.We have been the Boy Scouts of the NFL for too long. I want a sign from this team that they hate losing, deep in their guts flat out hate, hate, hate, hate losing. I hope TO gets in peoples faces from the start, including the coaches. Where do you see the connection between cheap shots and playing with fire? In my experience with team sports, the guys that commit the cheap shots are the lazy ones, not the intense ones. Remember, there is no greater value in sports than playing with passion while maintaining your integrity. As for the team getting angry, I agree. I think one of the reasons that last season snowballed into a tremendous meltdown was the (apparent) lack of accountability. If a player knows that his teammate/coach is going to get in his face after a bad play/loss, he's more likely to give 100%. That's just part of the team psyche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wei 44 Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Where do you see the connection between cheap shots and playing with fire? In my experience with team sports, the guys that commit the cheap shots are the lazy ones, not the intense ones. Remember, there is no greater value in sports than playing with passion while maintaining your integrity. As for the team getting angry, I agree. I think one of the reasons that last season snowballed into a tremendous meltdown was the (apparent) lack of accountability. If a player knows that his teammate/coach is going to get in his face after a bad play/loss, he's more likely to give 100%. That's just part of the team psyche. I think the point about cheap shots is that the team needs to have such an aggressive/balls out mindset, that going over the line, figuratively speaking, once in awhile would not necessarily be abad thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PushthePile Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 I don't care about anything but wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 I think the point about cheap shots is that the team needs to have such an aggressive/balls out mindset, that going over the line, figuratively speaking, once in awhile would not necessarily be abad thing! Like Whitner tackling someone in the end zone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 I don't care about anything but wins. You said it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Apart from all the x's and o's and how we do on the filed and on the scoreboard, what I am looking for is a sign that this team has changed. When they lose a game, I want to see some locker room rage, helmets bashing in to walls, angry men yelling at eachother, etc. I want nasty, bitter post game press conferences after a loss, not all this gracious loser, corporate PR stuff about how "we need to play better" and "we need to work harder" I want to see Jauron curse out an official. I want to see some personal fouls, maybe even an ejection or two. Some cheap shots, some fines, some sign that this team has some fire. We have been the Boy Scouts of the NFL for too long. I want a sign from this team that they hate losing, deep in their guts flat out hate, hate, hate, hate losing. I hope TO gets in peoples faces from the start, including the coaches. You'll get the fire and rage from TO. But that's considered "destroying a lockerroom." As for dishing-out cheap shots, no thanks. I'd rather see retaliation for cheap shots on Bills players, rather than just accepting it like they have in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offde-fence Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 I agreeeeee... the team has lacked something over the past decade or so - passion. My take is this: accountability and passion are separate, almost opposites. Being accountable is not wanting to mess up, and knowing when you do, you'll be ripped for it - or, you'll learn from it and not do it again. It's having the mindset that each person is responsible for winning and losing, and if you lost, you'd better figure out why and not do it the same way again. On the other hand, being passionate is about winning, playing to be The Best, not just good, but Great. A passionate player is not concerned with mistakes; he's flooring it on every play, trying to make something happen. Often times, passionate players make mistakes more than quiet, professional types. Think Ray Lewis v.s. Drew Bledsoe. Drew always said the right things, and was seldom seen emotional. Ray, on the other hand, is in everyone's face, blowing things up. We need to see a lot more Intensity out of our squad. They've got to want it more than anyone else - because, if they don't, they aren't going to get it. They aren't that good. But, if they had that fire, that passion, they could do anything - and that is why we tune in week in and out, and the off-season. Dick Jauron isn't going to give it to them. They need to get it themselves. And, in that regard, I, too, believe T.O. will pay dividends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 I want to see some personal fouls, maybe even an ejection or two. Some cheap shots, some fines, some sign that this team has some fire. Maybe the Bills should hire Vince McMahon as HC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Where do you see the connection between cheap shots and playing with fire? In my experience with team sports, the guys that commit the cheap shots are the lazy ones, not the intense ones. Remember, there is no greater value in sports than playing with passion while maintaining your integrity. As for the team getting angry, I agree. I think one of the reasons that last season snowballed into a tremendous meltdown was the (apparent) lack of accountability. If a player knows that his teammate/coach is going to get in his face after a bad play/loss, he's more likely to give 100%. That's just part of the team psyche. There's a difference b/w good sportsmanship and the Dick-Levy-style sideline sedation. There's a difference b/w "maintaining your integrity" and taking one up the *$$ then doing nothing in response. In the Wilfork situation, that was maybe the most upset I've ever been with the team, and mostly the coach. It was a blatant cheap-shot, and nothing was done to Wilfork or in like kind to Brady. It let other teams know that they can run roughshod and Jauron will just stand there clapping. In the Miami games last year, it was just sad that the D didn't get within arm's length of Pennington. This is a QB who, as time has shown, turns into a little girl after he gets a good hit on him. He gets rattled by hard contact. A good game-plan would have allowed a DL to take a roughing the QB penalty early in the game or deep in their zone where it can be easily absorbed. Dickie played the straight man and Pennington picked us apart with screens, short passes and big gainers. And it's not something like the hit needed to end his season or something, just put him on the turf and make him uncomfortable. Didn't happen. People are expecting bigger things this year with the additions and such. I have no such enthusiasm b/c we still have this problem of DJ at the helm. Can't manage a game, way too conservative, fails to make adjustments, doesn't have a killer's instinct. The team takes on his personality. That doesn't cut it in the NFL. "Good guy. Can't win." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Apart from all the x's and o's and how we do on the filed and on the scoreboard, what I am looking for is a sign that this team has changed. When they lose a game, I want to see some locker room rage, helmets bashing in to walls, angry men yelling at eachother, etc. I want nasty, bitter post game press conferences after a loss, not all this gracious loser, corporate PR stuff about how "we need to play better" and "we need to work harder" I want to see Jauron curse out an official. I want to see some personal fouls, maybe even an ejection or two. Some cheap shots, some fines, some sign that this team has some fire. We have been the Boy Scouts of the NFL for too long. I want a sign from this team that they hate losing, deep in their guts flat out hate, hate, hate, hate losing. I hope TO gets in peoples faces from the start, including the coaches. Cause you bought a gun. thats whats changed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLZFAN4LIFE Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Maybe the Bills should hire Vince McMahon as HC... Brilliant! Here are my nominees for offensive and defensive coordinator. CHAMPIONSHIP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hossage Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 It will be apparent on the field whether the team is playing courageously or not. Interviews and the like are just fluff. Playing hard and being in shape is not too much to expect. We have millions of guys working in factories, soldiers and amateur athletes working hard for a lot less. Football isnt easy, but it isnt storming the beaches of Normandy. To see anything less than their best effort is disgraceful, especially given that they are role models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 It will be apparent on the field whether the team is playing courageously or not. Interviews and the like are just fluff. Playing hard and being in shape is not too much to expect. We have millions of guys working in factories, soldiers and amateur athletes working hard for a lot less. Football isnt easy, but it isnt storming the beaches of Normandy. To see anything less than their best effort is disgraceful, especially given that they are role models. Yes, thank you. To say that we need more locker room brouhaha assumes we see and hear everything which already occurs "in the locker room." To say that we should retaliate to cheap play with even cheaper dirtier play is disgraceful. I would also like to add that the Willfork shot came just two games after KE went down. I doubt that physically assaulting another human being was on the minds of ANY Buffalo Bill at that point in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester43 Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 i'll know things have changed when we win the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 i'll know things have changed when we win the division. IMO the best case scenario this year is somewhere in the neighborhood of 10-6 and a wild card. I just can't imagine a situation where we aren't staring up at the Pats* all year. But, who knows? Maybe Brady will bite the dust in week 1 again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djcalvin79 Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 There's a difference b/w good sportsmanship and the Dick-Levy-style sideline sedation. There's a difference b/w "maintaining your integrity" and taking one up the *$$ then doing nothing in response.... People are expecting bigger things this year with the additions and such. I have no such enthusiasm b/c we still have this problem of DJ at the helm. Can't manage a game, way too conservative, fails to make adjustments, doesn't have a killer's instinct. The team takes on his personality. That doesn't cut it in the NFL. "Good guy. Can't win." It does seem that this is not just a Bills issue, but a city of Buffalo issue. The Sabres have more than once been called out for standing by while people take runs at Drury, Miller, Lalime.. Seriously, I have no problem with the teams taking a retaliation penalty on a cheap shot by the other team. F*ck 'em. Oh yeah, if in Game One a Bill was to KO Brady for the season then that's the dude who needs to be given the key to the city! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted June 8, 2009 Author Share Posted June 8, 2009 You'll get the fire and rage from TO. But that's considered "destroying a lockerroom." As for dishing-out cheap shots, no thanks. I'd rather see retaliation for cheap shots on Bills players, rather than just accepting it like they have in the past. Cheap shots aren't really the point. Although Conrad Dobler cheated like a madman, Ferguson was the least sacked QB in the NFL while he was around. The thing is, if you don't give a damn, you are never even close to the line let alone straying over it now and then. So a personal foul now and then, like taking a technical in college basketball, can be a positive thing. It shows you have your all invested in the outcome and perceived injustice towards a teamate can be a great motivator. I'd rather we kick a few guys in the nuts, FIRST so no one even attempts Wilfork type shots against our guys rather than waiting until our QB is on a stretcher and out for 6 weeks before we decide to throw a punch. Keep the barn door shut rather than chase that horse down after he is already on the loose. Besides, it is the guy who retaliates that gets caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted June 8, 2009 Author Share Posted June 8, 2009 i'll know things have changed when we win the division. A master at stating the obvious. They will be worth watching, win or lose, when they start giving a damn. None of us know if they are going to win the division yet and we won't until 12 weeks or so in to the sesason but I have to decide whether or not to watch them or follow them as closely as usual way before then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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