GaryPinC Posted June 1, 2009 Posted June 1, 2009 Here's where Rotoworld got their info from: http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2009/06/01/k...ffensive-staff/ My own take on it is that Kelly had a conversation with Van Pelt and Schonert and gave them some tips but is really not involved. I don't think Kelly is getting involved in any coaching capacity, I think he's busy enough, Drops by OBD enough to know what's going on with the team, and doesn't want to give up his life to be a coach. Also, he's smart enough not to get to involved with the current lame coaching staff, and I think the coaching staff is smart enough to know Kelly wouldn't stand for the current coaching style. He'd be screaming the skin of Jauron's face by the second play of the opening game. I would love to see him as a coach though. Seems like teams that run/have run the no-huddle have established, solid O-lines (cinci, buff, indy). Worst case with the current Bills is their offense still sucks... but differently this year.
bourbonboy Posted June 1, 2009 Author Posted June 1, 2009 I come down in between on this. young and smart and well trained over the course of preseason and preseason games it could serve to limit the defense which would work to the O-line's benefit. You make a good point on the other side as well, but all in all I think its worth the risk. I'm not at all confident about this o-line so any changes that would even the odds are looking good to me. That's pretty much where I was coming from on my initial post - you just described it better than I did.... The other extremely critical item for a successful Bills no huddle offense is the defense. The defense has to be solid, get a pass rush going, get plenty of three-and-outs, and get off the field. If we give up these agonizingly long drives like we did in the 2nd half of so many games last year, this will tie our hands and keep us from going no huddle - we couldn't risk a quick series that would put our tired D back on the field. But, there's nothing like June optimism to believe that this WILL all come together, and that this WILL be a real thing of beauty come September!
nucci Posted June 1, 2009 Posted June 1, 2009 I come down in between on this. young and smart and well trained over the course of preseason and preseason games it could serve to limit the defense which would work to the O-line's benefit. You make a good point on the other side as well, but all in all I think its worth the risk. I'm not at all confident about this o-line so any changes that would even the odds are looking good to me. Sounds fair. Good points.
DrFishfinder Posted June 1, 2009 Posted June 1, 2009 Indeed good news, but I still wonder why they're advertising this. I realize it's the age of the Internet and news like this can leak and spread like gangbusters, but now everyone knows the Bills will be running it and can prep for it (as best as a team can). This is like telling all of the burglars what type of locks you're putting on your house. The first game the Bills run the no huddle, film will be in every team's hands in less than 24 hours. The no huddle is hardly new stuff and every team would be ready for it the very next game if not by the 2nd half of the game they use it in. It's how well you execute it and when you pick and choose to run it. I like the fact that they're bringing JK in. That has got to have some good motivational effect.
VJ91 Posted June 2, 2009 Posted June 2, 2009 Per Rotoworld: The Bills have sought Hall of Famer Jim Kelly's input on their new no huddle offense. It's not clear how much the Bills plan to run the offense, but the fact that former "KGun" operator Kelly has been advising is a sign that they're serious about implementing the scheme. Source: buffalobills.com I think this could help a smart but inexperienced OL, as the defense will be limited in their calls, substitutions, and plays.... I don't think Jimbo can "teach" Edwards how to run the No-Huddle offense. There are many reasons. The biggest one is that when the Bills' No Huddle K-Gun was cranking, Kelly called all of his own plays, and only used about 5 different ones to choose from. Who out here thinks Turk-ey will allow Edwards to call his own plays? And who out here thinks Turk-ey will allow Edwards to shorten his 2000 page playbook down to just a few calls like Kelly did? My gosh, how on earth will the wide receivers know where to line up, what route to run, who to block, etc etc etc if all 2000 plays are not studied and implemented each week into the gameplan??
nucci Posted June 2, 2009 Posted June 2, 2009 I don't think Jimbo can "teach" Edwards how to run the No-Huddle offense. There are many reasons. The biggest one is that when the Bills' No Huddle K-Gun was cranking, Kelly called all of his own plays, and only used about 5 different ones to choose from. Who out here thinks Turk-ey will allow Edwards to call his own plays? And who out here thinks Turk-ey will allow Edwards to shorten his 2000 page playbook down to just a few calls like Kelly did? My gosh, how on earth will the wide receivers know where to line up, what route to run, who to block, etc etc etc if all 2000 plays are not studied and implemented each week into the gameplan?? What's the point of running a no huddle if the QB is not calling the plays?
Guest dog14787 Posted June 2, 2009 Posted June 2, 2009 I don't think Jimbo can "teach" Edwards how to run the No-Huddle offense. There are many reasons. The biggest one is that when the Bills' No Huddle K-Gun was cranking, Kelly called all of his own plays, and only used about 5 different ones to choose from. Who out here thinks Turk-ey will allow Edwards to call his own plays? And who out here thinks Turk-ey will allow Edwards to shorten his 2000 page playbook down to just a few calls like Kelly did? My gosh, how on earth will the wide receivers know where to line up, what route to run, who to block, etc etc etc if all 2000 plays are not studied and implemented each week into the gameplan?? If Jim Kelly is willing to assist the Buffalo Bills in running the no huddle any help he could give the Bills and TE should be much welcomed and appreciated. The football knowledge Jim Kelly could share with a young QB like TE could mean the difference in the direction TE's career takes because even the most talented and brightest players in the league need to be coached and mentored properly for them to reach there full potential. I could go on and on about Jim Kelly so I won't, but just the possibility of him getting involved with the offense and trying to steer TE in the right direction made my day.
SKOOBY Posted June 2, 2009 Posted June 2, 2009 What's the point of running a no huddle if the QB is not calling the plays? Changing the plays at the line should be able to happen without debate.
BuffaloWings Posted June 2, 2009 Posted June 2, 2009 What's the point of running a no huddle if the QB is not calling the plays? Because the QBs now have radio communication with the coaches, this can be done. This wasn't around in the early 90s and Kelly did most of it himself. While I think it helps that the QB knows the plays and needs to be able to audible, the radio communication makes it easier for the OC to help out the QB. But also remember, no-huddle doesn't necessarily mean the hurry-up/two-minute offense. The no-huddle offense has the mere threat of a hurry-up, but doesn't always use it. The entire offense was trained to get to the LOS as soon as humanly possible, disallowing the defense to make the substitutions they want. Kelly would always get everyone to the line, but not always run a play right away.
nucci Posted June 2, 2009 Posted June 2, 2009 Because the QBs now have radio communication with the coaches, this can be done. This wasn't around in the early 90s and Kelly did most of it himself. While I think it helps that the QB knows the plays and needs to be able to audible, the radio communication makes it easier for the OC to help out the QB. But also remember, no-huddle doesn't necessarily mean the hurry-up/two-minute offense. The no-huddle offense has the mere threat of a hurry-up, but doesn't always use it. The entire offense was trained to get to the LOS as soon as humanly possible, disallowing the defense to make the substitutions they want. Kelly would always get everyone to the line, but not always run a play right away. Agreed , but Kelly would look over the D and then call the play. He did not have to worry about the coaches. Doesn't the radio communication between QB and coaches shut off after a certain amount of time?
K-9 Posted June 2, 2009 Posted June 2, 2009 I don't think Jimbo can "teach" Edwards how to run the No-Huddle offense. There are many reasons. The biggest one is that when the Bills' No Huddle K-Gun was cranking, Kelly called all of his own plays, and only used about 5 different ones to choose from. Who out here thinks Turk-ey will allow Edwards to call his own plays? And who out here thinks Turk-ey will allow Edwards to shorten his 2000 page playbook down to just a few calls like Kelly did? My gosh, how on earth will the wide receivers know where to line up, what route to run, who to block, etc etc etc if all 2000 plays are not studied and implemented each week into the gameplan?? This is the most salient point in the entire thread. Kelly called his own plays and only had a handfull to choose from. That's all we needed. Why? Superior personnel. 4 Pro Bowl OLmen and a 5th (John Davis who deserved it), two All Pro receivers, a third that stretched the field, a TE that created matchup problems (McKellar) and an HOF RB who could run, catch, and block with the best ever. Other than that, I see NO reason why Edwards and the rest of this team should have any trouble running a no-huddle like we used to. GO BILLS!!!
Guest dog14787 Posted June 2, 2009 Posted June 2, 2009 Because the QBs now have radio communication with the coaches, this can be done. This wasn't around in the early 90s and Kelly did most of it himself. While I think it helps that the QB knows the plays and needs to be able to audible, the radio communication makes it easier for the OC to help out the QB. But also remember, no-huddle doesn't necessarily mean the hurry-up/two-minute offense. The no-huddle offense has the mere threat of a hurry-up, but doesn't always use it. The entire offense was trained to get to the LOS as soon as humanly possible, disallowing the defense to make the substitutions they want. Kelly would always get everyone to the line, but not always run a play right away. Good points, just because we run the no huddle, it does not mean its rushed or there would be no help from the sidelines.There would also be a scripted game plan the QB can deviate off of so he's not just going out there and calling what he wants. Trent Edwards will still discuss with Shonert (and I hope Jim Kelly) a plan of action and follow a game plan to a certain degree and make the proper adjustments based on whatever the opposing defense dictates. Just the mere mention of Jim Kelly having anything to do with our offense will instantly change the perception of what our offense is capable of and for good reason. In my opinion Jim Kelly worked under one of the best offensive guru's the National Football League has ever seen in Ted Marchibroda. Like I posted earlier, it takes proper coaching and mentoring for a player to reach his full potential. I'm not saying Jim Kelly by any means is Ted Marchibroda, but what I am saying is Kelly has his own unique guidance and leadership qualities and it would be a shame if he never passed on some of his special qualities to other players, especially players that play on a team that means the world to him, the Buffalo Bills.
Magox Posted June 2, 2009 Posted June 2, 2009 I respectfully disagree. You need a smart , experienced line to run a no huddle offense. Too many chances of missed calls and false starts with a group that has not played even 1 game together. experience definitely helps, no doubt about it, but one thing this line does have is intelligence, and hopefully that will lessen the learning curve.
Guest dog14787 Posted June 2, 2009 Posted June 2, 2009 experience definitely helps, no doubt about it, but one thing this line does have is intelligence, and hopefully that will lessen the learning curve. The whole offense will basically be learning the no huddle at the same time so that may help the Rookies to some degree.
nucci Posted June 2, 2009 Posted June 2, 2009 The 90's no huddle was no different than the regular offense in terms of plays called. Kelly just preferred a fast pace and calling the plays himself. Huddle or not you have to call good plays and make them work.
Guest dog14787 Posted June 3, 2009 Posted June 3, 2009 The 90's no huddle was no different than the regular offense in terms of plays called. Kelly just preferred a fast pace and calling the plays himself. Huddle or not you have to call good plays and make them work. I forget exactly when it happened, but I remember one time Kelly got his bell rung so hard I think it was Andre Reed who was quoted as saying he knew Jim was rattled because he kept calling the same play over and over again.
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