1billsfan Posted May 29, 2009 Author Posted May 29, 2009 ... was WRONGLY considered as a noodle-armed .... Get Pennington out of the wind and the cold and he has plenty of strength in his arm to get the job done. The Dolphins greatly improved their personnel this year, had the number one draft choice and went from having no quarterback to having a very fine quarterback. If we switched coaching staffs with the Dolphins last season, the Bills win the AFC East and the Dolphins finish last. That's how big of a difference coaching was. Can't make it any clearer than that.
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 29, 2009 Posted May 29, 2009 If we switched coaching staffs with the Dolphins last season, the Bills win the AFC East and the Dolphins finish last. That's how big of a difference coaching was. Can't make it any clearer than that. Right. I'm sure the fact that we had a 2nd year QB and another who has played himself out of the NFL in 5 years while the Fins had a veteran QB who has been to the playoffs before had nothing to do with it.
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted May 29, 2009 Posted May 29, 2009 If we switched coaching staffs with the Dolphins last season, the Bills win the AFC East and the Dolphins finish last. That's how big of a difference coaching was. Can't make it any clearer than that. No coach wins with poor line play and poor quarterback play. Can't make it any clearer than that.
1billsfan Posted May 29, 2009 Author Posted May 29, 2009 Right. I'm sure the fact that we had a 2nd year QB and another who has played himself out of the NFL in 5 years while the Fins had a veteran QB who has been to the playoffs before had nothing to do with it. Ravens, Falcons.
1billsfan Posted May 29, 2009 Author Posted May 29, 2009 No coach wins with poor line play and poor quarterback play. Can't make it any clearer than that. Perhaps it's the idiot coaches' schemes and game plans that put the line and QB in impossible positions? You can't be serious with this stuff, can you? This is proof positive that there were a couple Jet fans still supporting Kotite to the dying end.
wonderbread Posted May 29, 2009 Posted May 29, 2009 Coward, loser, constipated fool, so many words you can use to describe Dick. Unfortunatley, 'good' is not one of them... Not true. He is good at being sub mediocre.
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 29, 2009 Posted May 29, 2009 Ravens, Falcons. I'm also sure one of the most dominant defenses and a NFL rushing champ don't hurt as well.
Beerball Posted May 29, 2009 Posted May 29, 2009 If we switched coaching staffs with the Dolphins last season, the Bills win the AFC East and the Dolphins finish last. That's how big of a difference coaching was. Can't make it any clearer than that. I don't know about first, but at worst our record would have been reversed IMO.
Ramius Posted May 29, 2009 Posted May 29, 2009 7 losing seasons in 8 years. That's a horrendous success rate, even for a sport like baseball. Jauron nuthuggers, answer this: if your girlfriend disappeared for 8 weekends without telling you where she was, and 7 of those weekends she cheated on you, why would you expect that on the 9th weekend she wasn't cheating on you? Moreover, why would you still be with her? dick jauron has had 7 of 8 losing seasons as a head coach, many of those losses stemming directly from poor game day coaching or ill prepared players. Why do you expect that season 9 will be different? The better question is, why are the Bills still with jauron? We're not going anywhere with a proven loser.
2003Contenders Posted May 29, 2009 Posted May 29, 2009 Actually, if one straight up compares the two coaches first 8 full seasons without special qualifiers and arbitrary exceptions... In Belichick's first 8 years, his team won 61 games. Jauron has won 56. Belichick had won 4 playoff games by then including a Super Bowl. Jauron has only been to the playoffs one time and his team got destroyed at home. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/BeliBi0.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/JaurDi0.htm I find these stats to be very noteworthy. Why? Because it shows something about Jauron -- and what he does with the talent on hand. Over an 8 year stretch Belichick only managed to win 5 more games than Jauron. Those 8 years included a couple of playoff seasons (including a Super Bowl run). Taken over the longer haul, it reveals that when BB's teams have been good, they have been VERY good, but when bad, VERY bad. So what am I saying? I guess that Jauron may be better at dealing with a sorry roster than is BB but less able to win when he has all (or most) of the pieces in place. I think Jauron's conservative style actually does well for him when saddled with inferior talent: the philosophy is basically to keep it close and hope to pull it out in the 4th quarter. That's why I actually give him high marks in 2006-2007 for getting this seriously undermanned team to a 7-9 record, when the team probably wasn't even that good. My fear is that he is more of a damage control sort of coach rather than the guy to lead you to the Promised Land. We certainly saw glimpses of that last year when the team seriously underachieved after their 5-1 start.
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted May 29, 2009 Posted May 29, 2009 The problem with your comparison above [edit: Ramius], is my girlfriend has complete control over whether or not she cheats on me. It does not depend upon other people doing their job...either she cares about me, or she doesn't. Winning in the NFL takes a whole host of people doing their job. The explanation for Dick Jauron's past failures boils down to this, for me: No lines, no quarterback, no wins. It doesn't come as a surprise, and it still wouldn't even if it were Belichick, Holmgren, Parcells or anyone else. Nobody wins with poor play from the game's pivotal positions...Jauron has been saddled with that his entire career.
Gordio Posted May 29, 2009 Posted May 29, 2009 If we switched coaching staffs with the Dolphins last season, the Bills win the AFC East and the Dolphins finish last. That's how big of a difference coaching was. Can't make it any clearer than that. I really can not defend jauron. History tells us he will probably cost you 2-3 games per year. With that being said, more then anything else last year, I think the thing that cost us was the play of our qbs. Things started going in the tank when they started making game changing turnovers. Edwards imo gave the game away to the dolphins the first time, the jets game when Edwards throws a pick 6 when they going into the score, the 49ers game when neither qb could do anything, the Cleveland game where Edwards gave one of the worst/most cowardly qb efforts I have ever seen, not to be outdone, the 2nd Miami game where Loserman made some throws that were so bad that I did not think it was possible for an nfl qb to miss his target time & time again by that much, to finally the jets 2nd game. DJ was not being conservative at the end. All he asked was that his egghead qb to do a simple rollout & if the play is not there take off & slide for a few yards. As we all know (*^*&%^$^#choked & fumbled the game away. No coach in the league could take a team to the playoffs with the quality of qbing we have gotten the last 3 years. it is actually a miracle we have won 7 games each of the last three seasons. See, I know it is popular on this board to say the qb position is just one of 11 positions on offense that equally contribute to the success/failure of the unit. It is just not true. The qb position is on par with a goalie in hockey & a pitcher in baseball. They are the great equalizer. You really think indy/Ne have been so good these last 10 years because they have better personal then everybody else? They just have better qbs then everybody else. Give Jauron a qb & maybe he will get you 10-11 wins & the playoffs. Hoepfully Edwards is the guy this year(cautously optimistic). Because if he is not, it is going to be 10yrs in a row without the playoffs & nothing Jauron can do will change that.
AndyPliskin Posted May 29, 2009 Posted May 29, 2009 I would like to think that DJ has learned from his mistakes. The talent on Bills is definitely playoff material this year. If the coaching is there, they are in the playoffs. Coaching cost us at least 3 games last year (Cleveland, Jets, San Francisco) and will probably cost us 1-2 again this year. The question is - is the team good enough to overcome the bad calls. I think so. J.P. cost us that Jets game, and no one else.
The Senator Posted May 29, 2009 Posted May 29, 2009 Jason Peters cost us that Jets game, and no one else. fixed
Beerball Posted May 29, 2009 Posted May 29, 2009 The problem with your comparison above [edit: Ramius], is my girlfriend has complete control over whether or not she cheats on me. It does not depend upon other people doing their job...either she cares about me, or she doesn't. Dude! I'm sorry, I didn't know, I swear!
Sisyphean Bills Posted May 29, 2009 Posted May 29, 2009 I don't know how you can say anyone is riding the short bus when you lack serious reading comprehension. My original statement said that Jauron had a better record (win % wise) than Belichick PRE-BRADY. Since apparrntly, you struggle with the term pre, I'll explain further. Pre refers to before. So I was comparing Belichick's record before Brady. Brady entered the picture after the Pats* were 0-1 in 2001. So including that 0-1 (since it was before Brady played), his career record was 41-56 or a winning % of .422. He had exactly 1 playoff win in 2 games. Jauron's record is 57-76 or a winning % of .429. Jauron is 0-1 in the playoffs. So PRE-BRADY, DJ had a better winning %. So the point is that this guy, BB, that everyone thinks is this mastermind had a worse record than the guy you think is the worst coach ever. But I'm sure given BB's success PRE-BRADY, he would have been winning Super Bowls with the likes of Matthews, Miller, Losman, & McNown. I never said you didn't say pre-Brady. Big !@#$ing deal. Jauron is as good as a lot of coaches if you exclude the better teams they coached. It's an empty statement, idiot.
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted May 29, 2009 Posted May 29, 2009 Dude! I'm sorry, I didn't know, I swear! And I thought we were fellow Bills fans.
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 29, 2009 Posted May 29, 2009 I never said you didn't say pre-Brady. Big !@#$ing deal. Jauron is as good as a lot of coaches if you exclude the better teams they coached. It's an empty statement, idiot. Idiot??? haha. Step 1 in admitting you lost an argument, call names. You're the one who can't even read a simple post. What about my point isn't getting through your thick skull? Belichick was a loser much like Jauron with bad QBs. When he got a HOF QB, he suddenly turned into a winner. Guys like Kosar and Testaverde were both better than any QB Jauron has ever coached. Now, if Edwards is the real deal at QB, Jauron will suddenly turn into a better coach. It's that simple. But please continue to add more quality posts about terrible the Bills are and how we should just give up on the season in May. It is real quality stuff and adds a lot to the board, you miserable douchebag (see brainac, I call names too).
DrFishfinder Posted May 29, 2009 Posted May 29, 2009 I would like to think that DJ has learned from his mistakes. The talent on Bills is definitely playoff material this year. If the coaching is there, they are in the playoffs. Coaching cost us at least 3 games last year (Cleveland, Jets, San Francisco) and will probably cost us 1-2 again this year. The question is - is the team good enough to overcome the bad calls. I think so. He's had 8 seasons to learn from his mistakes. Judging from the last 3 seasons, he keeps learning the same thing over and over again.
DrFishfinder Posted May 29, 2009 Posted May 29, 2009 7 losing seasons in 8 years. That's a horrendous success rate, even for a sport like baseball. Jauron nuthuggers, answer this: if your girlfriend disappeared for 8 weekends without telling you where she was, and 7 of those weekends she cheated on you, why would you expect that on the 9th weekend she wasn't cheating on you? Moreover, why would you still be with her? dick jauron has had 7 of 8 losing seasons as a head coach, many of those losses stemming directly from poor game day coaching or ill prepared players. Why do you expect that season 9 will be different? The better question is, why are the Bills still with jauron? We're not going anywhere with a proven loser. I have a rock-solid alibi for those 7 weekends. Rock-solid, I tellya.
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