San-O Posted May 24, 2009 Posted May 24, 2009 I don't recall the exact quote, however the indications from all and specifically from Jauron were that a playoff appearance in 2008 was mandatory. We got another 7 - 9 season obviously, so what is this year's mantra? Really? Playoffs or else, unless we don't make it, because last year was the make or break season, which it really wasn't because, well, we want continuity?!?
generaLee83 Posted May 24, 2009 Posted May 24, 2009 I don't recall the exact quote, however the indications from all and specifically from Jauron were thata playoff appearance in 2008 was mandatory. We got another 7 - 9 season obviously, so what is this year's mantra? Really? Playoffs or else, unless we don't make it, because last year was the make or break season, which it really wasn't because, well, we want continuity?!? I'm sure all of the Jauron apologists will have a laundry list of excuses, they seem to be floating around here in heaps lately. The latest one is that he's never coached a talented team. Doesn't the coach have some say in scouting/front office happenings? According to the apologists apparently Dick is kept in a closet somewhere and just has to deal with what he's given. Continuity is a great thing when you have a proven winner, to want to continue with 7-9 seasons is absurd.
Thurman#1 Posted May 24, 2009 Posted May 24, 2009 How much of what goes on behind the scenes at TBD are you in the loop on? Nothing? Me too. In fact, that's true of all of us. So, let's just deal with the fact that a guy who is a lot more in the loop than we are, Mr. Wilson, thinks that he deserves another chance. And as for the crazy, wacky idea that not having good enough players might somehow possibly affect a coach's performance ... what was Belichick's record as a head coach in Cleveland with not very good players? And what is it in New England with very good players, including Tom Brady? Gee, what a crazy idea.
BillsVet Posted May 24, 2009 Posted May 24, 2009 How much of what goes on behind the scenes at TBD are you in the loop on? Nothing? Me too. In fact, that's true of all of us. So, let's just deal with the fact that a guy who is a lot more in the loop than we are, Mr. Wilson, thinks that he deserves another chance. And as for the crazy, wacky idea that not having good enough players might somehow possibly affect a coach's performance ... what was Belichick's record as a head coach in Cleveland with not very good players? And what is it in New England with very good players, including Tom Brady? Gee, what a crazy idea. This is the classic argument whenever anyone questions the direction of the team and retention of DJ. Merely insinuate that because a poster doesn't have confirmed insider information that their opinion is worthless. It's the easiest means of argument suppression, and utilized anytime a fan who demands more than mediocrity from a DJ team makes a post . The casual uniformed fans continue to ignore what winning teams are doing. Most franchises, if not successful, are trying to be so. Buffalo rides so close to the rail of mediocrity year after year without ever being horrible or good. No team in the NFL can state they're close to this but the Bills. In the SB era, no NFL HC has consistently been as mediocre, nor given as many chances to succeed than Dick Jauron. Check the winning percentage over his 8 year career and compare it to other coaches with 130+ games coached.
San-O Posted May 24, 2009 Author Posted May 24, 2009 How much of what goes on behind the scenes at TBD are you in the loop on? Nothing? Me too. In fact, that's true of all of us. So, let's just deal with the fact that a guy who is a lot more in the loop than we are, Mr. Wilson, thinks that he deserves another chance. And as for the crazy, wacky idea that not having good enough players might somehow possibly affect a coach's performance ... what was Belichick's record as a head coach in Cleveland with not very good players? And what is it in New England with very good players, including Tom Brady? Gee, what a crazy idea. Mr. Wilson decided to give Mr. Jauron a contract extension, and didn't want to eat any more Mr. Franklins than he already has. Oh, Mr. Wilson also thought it was a good idea NOT to hire/pay a G.M., promote the same people already running the show/F.O., and sell a game to Canada. Regarding the D.J. coaching tenure, this is technically his third (3rd) stop as head coach and will certainly be his last.
DrFishfinder Posted May 24, 2009 Posted May 24, 2009 This is the classic argument whenever anyone questions the direction of the team and retention of DJ. Merely insinuate that because a poster doesn't have confirmed insider information that their opinion is worthless. It's the easiest means of argument suppression, and utilized anytime a fan who demands more than mediocrity from a DJ team makes a post . The casual uniformed fans continue to ignore what winning teams are doing. Most franchises, if not successful, are trying to be so. Buffalo rides so close to the rail of mediocrity year after year without ever being horrible or good. No team in the NFL can state they're close to this but the Bills. In the SB era, no NFL HC has consistently been as mediocre, nor given as many chances to succeed than Dick Jauron. Check the winning percentage over his 8 year career and compare it to other coaches with 130+ games coached. DJ's combined record at Chicago: 7-9 DJ's combined record at Buffalo: 7-9 Can't get more consistent than that. This year it'll be different though......ahem.
DrFishfinder Posted May 24, 2009 Posted May 24, 2009 Regarding the D.J. coaching tenure, this is technically his third (3rd) stop as head coach and will certainlybe his last. Oh....if only that was true.....
canbuffan34 Posted May 24, 2009 Posted May 24, 2009 How much of what goes on behind the scenes at TBD are you in the loop on? Nothing? Me too. In fact, that's true of all of us. So, let's just deal with the fact that a guy who is a lot more in the loop than we are, Mr. Wilson, thinks that he deserves another chance. And as for the crazy, wacky idea that not having good enough players might somehow possibly affect a coach's performance ... what was Belichick's record as a head coach in Cleveland with not very good players? And what is it in New England with very good players, including Tom Brady? Gee, what a crazy idea. Maybe when the Hoodie was in Cleveland, he hadn't begun cheating yet.
NewHampshireBillsFan Posted May 24, 2009 Posted May 24, 2009 By the way, I do not believe it is anything like a certainty that DJ will be fired if we don't make the playoffs. I could see the team going 10-6 and missing the playoffs on tiebreakers and the thinking will be well we got close and are heading in the right direction. Actually I could see us going 9-7 and people saying that, and Wilson giving him yet another year. I think DJ and the assistants realize this themselves--they finish above .500 and they have a great chance of coming back. Of course finishing above .500 with their schedule and being in the AFC east is itself a big challenge.
San-O Posted May 24, 2009 Author Posted May 24, 2009 Oh....if only that was true..... This will be his last stop, I'm pretty certain. He would have been finished after Detroit let him go, but Marv picked him off the scrap heap.
DrFishfinder Posted May 24, 2009 Posted May 24, 2009 This will be his last stop, I'm pretty certain. He would have been finished after Detroit let him go,but Marv picked him off the scrap heap. Don't forget we all were certain he would get canned after last year's train wreck.....
San-O Posted May 24, 2009 Author Posted May 24, 2009 By the way, I do not believe it is anything like a certainty that DJ will be fired if we don't make the playoffs. I could see the team going 10-6 and missing the playoffs on tiebreakers and the thinking will be well we got close and are heading in the right direction. Actually I could see us going 9-7 and people saying that, and Wilson giving him yet another year. I think DJ and the assistants realize this themselves--they finish above .500 and they have a great chance of coming back. Of course finishing above .500 with their schedule and being in the AFC east is itself a big challenge. Ralph won't eat two years of a three year contract I woundn't think. Besides, they can blame the 2009 season on the new O-line and T.E. missing games with injury.
San-O Posted May 24, 2009 Author Posted May 24, 2009 Don't forget we all were certain he would get canned after last year's train wreck..... Right. I'm not predicting WHEN he will get canned, just that it will happen, and I just can't see any G.M. sticking their neck out for a guy they know will not win.
DrFishfinder Posted May 24, 2009 Posted May 24, 2009 Right. I'm not predicting WHEN he will get canned, just that it will happen, and I just can't seeany G.M. sticking their neck out for a guy they know will not win. Betcha DJ makes it back to HC after 2-3 years of DC work.
San-O Posted May 24, 2009 Author Posted May 24, 2009 Betcha DJ makes it back to HC after 2-3 years of DC work. Maybe. I won't take that bet, as you just never know.
kota Posted May 24, 2009 Posted May 24, 2009 Jauron fails as a coach. He is to soft on the players and it shows.
spartacus Posted May 25, 2009 Posted May 25, 2009 Jauron fails as a coach. He is to soft on the players and it shows. hey - he likes receiving those text messages from his buds it gives him that warm fuzzy feeling
/dev/null Posted May 25, 2009 Posted May 25, 2009 Jauron = Dom Capers, Gregggggg Williams, etc Very good Defensive Coordinator Not a good Head Coach
Flbillsfan#1 Posted May 25, 2009 Posted May 25, 2009 Ralph won't eat two years of a three year contract I woundn't think. Besides, they can blamethe 2009 season on the new O-line and T.E. missing games with injury. If the Bills finish 8-8 or better, Ralph may keep Dick. If they finish 7-9 or worse, it will be a very tough sell job to keep him.
ChasBB Posted May 25, 2009 Posted May 25, 2009 How much of what goes on behind the scenes at TBD are you in the loop on? Nothing? Me too. In fact, that's true of all of us. So, let's just deal with the fact that a guy who is a lot more in the loop than we are, Mr. Wilson, thinks that he deserves another chance. I'm not a big DJ fan right now, but I must agree with you on this. Bottom line is we simply do not know what goes on behind the scenes. We certainly do see what happens on game days and to some (sometimes myself included), this seems like enough to base a decision on, but Ralph certainly has a vantage point the rest of us don't have. Nevertheless, I maintain that 2009 is DJ's last chance.
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