Max Fischer Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Ironically named university deletes a few Constitutional Amendments Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Good for them. This is a private college. How's about all those wonderful PUBLIC colleges in California that ban the military, ROTC, or religous groups. Well now one of those private, religious colleges is banning the idiots who have been behind the infringing of public rights for years. BTW , I missed the Constitutional amendment that permits idiots to have a political party club on a PRIVATE universitys proprty. Can you please remind which amendment number that is again? Edit: I can't find the thread you started when SF State banned GOP groups. Can you point that out? Of course they went to court and got that ban overturned. I also missed the thread you started when Wright state banned religious groups. Or Ohio state banned "Christian" religious groups. Or Gonzaga banned religious groups. Or Carlton banned religious groups. I'm sure you were just as outragged and posted them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 BTW, you may want to check the facts. Falwell said that although the university revoked the College Democrats’ right to use the LU name, “That club still has a right to exist, and they can still meet on campus. We have not disbanded the club.”“They are good Christian kids who sit with me at ball games. I just hope they find a pro-life, pro-family organization within the Democratic Party that they can affiliate with so they can be endorsed by Liberty University again,” Falwell said. Staver said the key issue was the Democratic club’s use of the university’s name and potentially its use of university funds starting next fall, when LU plans to begin giving financial support to student clubs. They are just not recognized nor funded by the University any more. http://www.newsadvance.com/lna/news/local/...students/16195/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted May 23, 2009 Author Share Posted May 23, 2009 Good for them. This is a private college. How's about all those wonderful PUBLIC colleges in California that ban the military, ROTC, or religous groups. Well now one of those private, religious colleges is banning the idiots who have been behind the infringing of public rights for years. BTW , I missed the Constitutional amendment that permits idiots to have a political party club on a PRIVATE universitys proprty. Can you please remind which amendment number that is again? Edit: I can't find the thread you started when SF State banned GOP groups. Can you point that out? Of course they went to court and got that ban overturned. I also missed the thread you started when Wright state banned religious groups. Or Ohio state banned "Christian" religious groups. Or Gonzaga banned religious groups. Or Carlton banned religious groups. I'm sure you were just as outragged and posted them. Behold the logic of an extremist. You erect straw-men faster than you can rip up the Constitution. 1. I am not for "banning" any group, religious, political or military. As long as everyone follows the same pragmatic rules then they should all have the opportunity to peaceably assembly. 2. Why do they call it "Liberty University" when they are afraid of free speech, the right to assembly and equal protection? Pretty Ironic. 3. You are right, they CAN ban the group, not recognize it or cut off it's funding. The question is: should they? 4. If you believe that what other institutions allegedly did is wrong (and after umpteen thousand posts you have established a poor record of credibility), why would you endorse "Liberty" for, in your words, "infringing public rights?" That's a good definition of selective outrage. I guess your hypocrisy knows no bounds. Bottomline: even McDonnell disagrees with school's decision. They have the "right" to do it, but perhaps they should finally change the name to more appropriately reflect its beliefs - VA Bills University? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fastback Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Behold the logic of an extremist. You erect straw-men faster than you can rip up the Constitution. 1. I am not for "banning" any group, religious, political or military. As long as everyone follows the same pragmatic rules then they should all have the opportunity to peaceably assembly. 2. Why do they call it "Liberty University" when they are afraid of free speech, the right to assembly and equal protection? Pretty Ironic. 3. You are right, they CAN ban the group, not recognize it or cut off it's funding. The question is: should they? 4. If you believe that what other institutions allegedly did is wrong (and after umpteen thousand posts you have established a poor record of credibility), why would you endorse "Liberty" for, in your words, "infringing public rights?" That's a good definition of selective outrage. I guess your hypocrisy knows no bounds. Bottomline: even McDonnell disagrees with school's decision. They have the "right" to do it, but perhaps they should finally change the name to more appropriately reflect its beliefs - VA Bills University? Even though you didn't answer his questions I'm sure you were outraged but forgot to post after those other decisions...right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Good for them. This is a private college. How's about all those wonderful PUBLIC colleges in California that ban the military, ROTC, or religous groups. I agree 100% that this private institution has the right to stop providing funding to a student group. Having said that, why do you say "Good for them."? This move seems awfully petty. Institutions of higher learning should embrace all different viewpoints, and I don't see the logic in this unless the students in question were causing trouble of some sort (which it doesn't sound like they were). And by the way, I'm not a liberal and I'm not just instinctively jumping on Falwell's brain child...I think this is ethically questionable whether you're dealing with a predominately conservative OR predominately liberal institution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 2. Why do they call it "Liberty University" when they are afraid of free speech, the right to assembly and equal protection? Pretty Ironic. Hypocritical, not ironic. Big surprise - it's Falwell's school. 3. You are right, they CAN ban the group, not recognize it or cut off it's funding. The question is: should they? The original ban was over-the-top, but with Falwell's amendment of it...why not? Their freedom of speech and right to assemble aren't being infringed, the "university" is merely exercising its right to withhold affiliation of their brand. Personally, I think it's foolish and stupid - any school that restricts the free flow of ideas isn't a school, and to me this just demonstrates how much of a joke the "university" appelation in "Liberty University" really is (moreso than the use of the "Liberty" - do you complain about Duke because they don't enroll any nobility?) But they're within their rights to say "Don't use the school's name." Bottomline: even McDonnell disagrees with school's decision. They have the "right" to do it, but perhaps they should finally change the name to more appropriately reflect its beliefs - VA Bills University? Or "Liberty Chapel". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted May 23, 2009 Author Share Posted May 23, 2009 Even though you didn't answer his questions I'm sure you were outraged but forgot to post after those other decisions...right? Read it again, genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Behold the logic of an extremist. He isn't an extremist probably. He simply trolls looking for a response. On occasion he posts as himself, the trick is knowing when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murra Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Good for them. This is a private college. How's about all those wonderful PUBLIC colleges in California that ban the military, ROTC, or religous groups. Well now one of those private, religious colleges is banning the idiots who have been behind the infringing of public rights for years. BTW , I missed the Constitutional amendment that permits idiots to have a political party club on a PRIVATE universitys proprty. Can you please remind which amendment number that is again? Edit: I can't find the thread you started when SF State banned GOP groups. Can you point that out? Of course they went to court and got that ban overturned. I also missed the thread you started when Wright state banned religious groups. Or Ohio state banned "Christian" religious groups. Or Gonzaga banned religious groups. Or Carlton banned religious groups. I'm sure you were just as outragged and posted them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Hedd Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Ironically named university deletes a few Constitutional Amendments Discuss. Yeh saw this on tv last night. Who the hell would ever want their kid to go to Liberty University? Imagine going out in the real world with that pedigree. Boss man; "Son what's your education and qualifications for the position you just applied for?" Abdullah; "Well I have this degree from Liberty University......." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Yeh saw this on tv last night. Who the hell would ever want their kid to go to Liberty University? Imagine going out in the real world with that pedigree. Boss man; "Son what's your education and qualifications for the position you just applied for?" Abdullah; "Well I have this degree from Liberty University......." Shows how much you know. They have accredidation from the same folks and just got re-done this year that give accredidaton to : JMU ODU UVA VCU William and mary Duke UNC etc etc etc. Yup such a bad school that they meet the same accredidation as those top tier school. Where did you graduate from and who gave you your accredidation? BTW, Liberty is a good name. because there student have the liberty to practice religious beliefs. They can discuss both repub and dem candidates. They can actually have and are encoureaged to have religious clubs. Something that public schools that are supposed to the rights and freedoms of all students don't allow in a lot of cases because they want to restrict the liberty of the students. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 He isn't an extremist probably. He simply trolls looking for a response. On occasion he posts as himself, the trick is knowing when. I'm not trolling in this case. If you read the actual facts they said they cannot support the democrats because there is not a single candidate in running in the state pf Virginia as a democrat who is not pro abortion. If you're a religious person, then you too have to support the need to not fund anything or have your name assocaite with baby killing. They are right in this case. When the dems stop being a couple social issue party (gay rights, baby killing, tax and spend), then maybe some real debates can go on. But when a party is run by a couple of issues it isn't a real party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Read it again, genius. Again, I am still awaiting the links to where you posted your outrage over SF univerisity not just removing funding but actually BANNING the GOP from the campus. I am also awaiting your links for the posts where OSU, Yale, Columbia, etc... have BANNED religious groups. Not just removed funding or affiliation, but BANNED them . Please show me you links, because I am sure you were just as outraged. Or is your outrage only because it was Christian school removed a few dollars funding and won't list the Dems on their website? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StupidNation Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Liberty is not the right to do whatever you want or can, that's a capacity. Liberty is a the right and freedom to do what you ought. For Liberty U to stop funding what you cannot do as a Christian is essential liberty, not the mistaken license you people believe it to be. Let's take it from the opposite perspective even if you don't believe in objective truth in the matter... If you believe Christ is God and Christ says that this truth will set you "free" is it beyond the realm of reason to think they are simply adhering to their faith and beliefs as to what constitutes liberty? It might be an epiphany for some of you to realize that people who adhere to their beliefs and what they believe about liberty aren't sacrificing liberty by trying to be true to themselves. Lastly, if you want to see hypocrisy look at how even public schools will not allow intelligent design as something to be exposed to the minds of people. I.D is not creationism and you can find atheists who believe it, yet where is the discussion on that? Show me your campaign against the ban against I.D and I'll find your cries about 1st Amendment crap more seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 Liberty is not the right to do whatever you want or can, that's a capacity. Liberty is a the right and freedom to do what you ought. For Liberty U to stop funding what you cannot do as a Christian is essential liberty, not the mistaken license you people believe it to be. Let's take it from the opposite perspective even if you don't believe in objective truth in the matter... If you believe Christ is God and Christ says that this truth will set you "free" is it beyond the realm of reason to think they are simply adhering to their faith and beliefs as to what constitutes liberty? It might be an epiphany for some of you to realize that people who adhere to their beliefs and what they believe about liberty aren't sacrificing liberty by trying to be true to themselves. Lastly, if you want to see hypocrisy look at how even public schools will not allow intelligent design as something to be exposed to the minds of people. I.D is not creationism and you can find atheists who believe it, yet where is the discussion on that? Show me your campaign against the ban against I.D and I'll find your cries about 1st Amendment crap more seriously. I'd really be interested in any articles you can link that argue that I.D. isn't tied to creationism in some form. Everytime I've heard any advocate of I.D. discuss the subject it's always tied to an, well, INTELLIGENT DESIGNER, i.e. a creator. Secondly, there should be a ban against the teaching of I.D. because it is NOT science and won't be accepted as such until it meets all the criteria for testing scientific theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 I'd really be interested in any articles you can link that argue that I.D. isn't tied to creationism in some form. Everytime I've heard any advocate of I.D. discuss the subject it's always tied to an, well, INTELLIGENT DESIGNER, i.e. a creator. Secondly, there should be a ban against the teaching of I.D. because it is NOT science and won't be accepted as such until it meets all the criteria for testing scientific theory. Neither does global warming, but it is shoved down our throats daily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 Neither does global warming, but it is shoved down our throats daily. I'm not asking about global warming. All the same though, where is global warming taught in public schools as part of a science curriculum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted May 24, 2009 Author Share Posted May 24, 2009 Again, I am still awaiting the links to where you posted your outrage over SF univerisity not just removing funding but actually BANNING the GOP from the campus. I am also awaiting your links for the posts where OSU, Yale, Columbia, etc... have BANNED religious groups. Not just removed funding or affiliation, but BANNED them . Please show me you links, because I am sure you were just as outraged. Or is your outrage only because it was Christian school removed a few dollars funding and won't list the Dems on their website? Look, I know your completely mental and I will kick myself for responding to your immaturity, but what part of not agreeing with the other schools don't you understand? Sorry if I missed those stories but I have not read them and don't know the circumstances. I'm sure you'll kindly link credible sources like NewsMax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Hedd Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 I'm not trolling in this case. If you read the actual facts they said they cannot support the democrats because there is not a single candidate in running in the state pf Virginia as a democrat who is not pro abortion. If you're a religious person, then you too have to support the need to not fund anything or have your name assocaite with baby killing. They are right in this case. When the dems stop being a couple social issue party (gay rights, baby killing, tax and spend), then maybe some real debates can go on. But when a party is run by a couple of issues it isn't a real party. Extremist? Yeah. Probably. Troll?....well. I don't think VA is a troll...I honestly believe that he believes in most of the toxic waste he spreads here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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