Best QBs available in FA: Rex Grossman and J.P. Losman

[Nanker]

Signing Bledsoe, Willis McKnee, JP, Mike Williams and not signing Phat Pat are prime reasons things got as bad as they did.

Thanks again Donahoe - oh, and phyuck youse Mort.

[C.Biscuit97]

I once posted the offseason after Fairchild left for CSU that he was not as bad as everybody made him out to be & he was dealt a lousy hand to work with because he could not trust his qb to do certain things you need to do in a game for an offense to be successful. Fairchild has done a nice job so far at Colorado State & he had success in St Louis. The problem was not Fairchild for the most part.

 

 

Exactly. My favorite part was Losman calling out Fairchild after the Pittsburgh game. If I was Fairchild, I'd say soemthing like "I bet Brady would be ok in my offense."

 

Either way, I still like Losman the guy but it should be apparent to his loyal fan base that the Bills weren't the problem with his development. If a team in the NFL believes you have talent, they would take a chance on you. See Mike Vick.

[Nanker]

Exactly. My favorite part was Losman calling out Fairchild after the Pittsburgh game. If I was Fairchild, I'd say soemthing like "I bet Brady would be ok in my offense."

 

Either way, I still like Losman the guy but it should be appear to his loyal fan base that the Bills weren't the problem with his development. If a team in the NFL believes you have talent, they would take a chance on you. See Mike Vick.

I think Mike Vick will be back in the NFL before Losman will be.

[LGB]

I once posted the offseason after Fairchild left for CSU that he was not as bad as everybody made him out to be & he was dealt a lousy hand to work with because he could not trust his qb to do certain things you need to do in a game for an offense to be successful. Fairchild has done a nice job so far at Colorado State & he had success in St Louis. The problem was not Fairchild for the most part.

Fairchild might have been hamstrung, but come on. It's the NFL and there should be no reason to keep the play book to one page. Even doing that, this team does not execute on offense. Sure sounds like coaching to me or the personnel department for drafting players who can't be coached.

[/dev/null]

It's the NFL and there should be no reason to keep the play book to one page.

 

Unless your QB is having trouble finishing page 1...

[C.Biscuit97]

Fairchild might have been hamstrung, but come on. It's the NFL and there should be no reason to keep the play book to one page. Even doing that, this team does not execute on offense. Sure sounds like coaching to me or the personnel department for drafting players who can't be coached.

 

 

See, this is the part I don't think people don't understand. People think the coaches were limiting Losman and holding him back. however, I think it was more of a case of saving the team and allowing to win games. I'm sure coaches recognized that Losman was very erratic and made a lot of stupid plays.

 

There's a reason they are going to be running no huddle with Trent in his 3rd season and won't let Losman audibile in his 4th. And it has nothing to do with athletic ability. It is the reason why, even Edwards doesn't make it as a starter, he will have a long career in the NFL where JP won't.

 

If only we could have somehow combine QBs: T.P. Edwarman. D.J. Flutson would have probably be a pretty good QB too.

[NewHampshireBillsFan]

Give the Bills credit. How many QB's have left the Bills to go on to star for other teams after Lamonica. I don't think JP will even do as well as Rob Johnson did in his post Bills era. Whether JP lands on another roster for awhile or not, I don't think he would do well enough for us to regret the Bills let him go. As far as coaching don't forget that Sam Wyche, a former HC, spent a huge amount of time with JP to try to teach him everything about being an NFL QB. Face it, JP is just not that bright and he tends to get an attitude that he is not getting a fair shake way to easily. No team wants a QB with those 2 qualities.

[atlbillsfan1975]

I think Mike Vick will be back in the NFL before Losman will be.

Vick was just released by the Falcons today. His next step is getting Goddell to reinstate him. Then the media hype starts. And then he is back in the league. Jax anyone? Not like anyone goes to their games to protest him there.

[RayFinkle]

Give the Bills credit. How many QB's have left the Bills to go on to star for other teams after Lamonica. I don't think JP will even do as well as Rob Johnson did in his post Bills era. Whether JP lands on another roster for awhile or not, I don't think he would do well enough for us to regret the Bills let him go. As far as coaching don't forget that Sam Wyche, a former HC, spent a huge amount of time with JP to try to teach him everything about being an NFL QB. Face it, JP is just not that bright and he tends to get an attitude that he is not getting a fair shake way to easily. No team wants a QB with those 2 qualities.

His propensity to get sacked and/or fumble and/or throw the ball directly to the other team's defenders at any point during the game doesn't help either.

 

 

[Flbillsfan#1]

See, this is the part I don't think people don't understand. People think the coaches were limiting Losman and holding him back. however, I think it was more of a case of saving the team and allowing to win games. I'm sure coaches recognized that Losman was very erratic and made a lot of stupid plays.

 

There's a reason they are going to be running no huddle with Trent in his 3rd season and won't let Losman audibile in his 4th. And it has nothing to do with athletic ability. It is the reason why, even Edwards doesn't make it as a starter, he will have a long career in the NFL where JP won't.

 

If only we could have somehow combine QBs: T.P. Edwarman. D.J. Flutson would have probably be a pretty good QB too.

Yeah JP was terrible.......................................meantime, I am still waiting for Trent to play as well as JP did in 06.

[PromoTheRobot]

Yeah JP was terrible.......................................meantime, I am still waiting for Trent to play as well as JP did in 06.

Did you sleep through the first 6 games last season?

 

PTR

[Mr. WEO]

JP is a gunslinger.

Probably the least astute assessment of JP Losman ever.

 

Gunslinger?? Like someone with the savvy, intuition and skill to improvise based on what he sees unfolding before him and able to make successful, split-second decisions?

 

And last season, the guy was a mope. He isolated himself at gametime and when his number was called, he was as unprepared to perform as ever.

 

Yup, great guy. Great teammate.

[Sisyphean Bills]

Losman has the physical gifts, but he never put it together. He was too prone to awful decision making and pressing to make plays happen when the play just wasn't there. He may have been enough of an athlete to get away with that approach at Tulane, but in the NFL, he was up against superior athletes and the risk/reward was tilted almost completely against him. While JP should enjoy much of the blame for that, the Bills organization didn't do him a lot of favors. He did develop during 06 and especially after the "bye" week, when the Bills re-tooled the garbage OL. But, with all things Losman, every step forward was followed by a train wreck.

 

Apparently, there was some interest by other teams but Losman made a characteristic bad decision and decided to wait for an offer where he'd be declared a starter.

 

At any rate, it is hard to put a sh---eating grin on and feel overly ecstatic that the Bills completely wasted yet another 1st round pick on the QB position and got one 7-9 season (when JP was the undisputed starter) out of it. Yippee, fuggin doodoo.

 

Grossman apparently decided to drop the "1st round" mentality and took a minimum contract to compete for the 3rd QB spot (and maybe the 2nd) -- but with that contract, the Texans have nothing at risk and could dump him on the QB trash heap in a heartbeat.

[Ramius]

See, this is the part I don't think people don't understand. People think the coaches were limiting Losman and holding him back. however, I think it was more of a case of saving the team and allowing to win games. I'm sure coaches recognized that Losman was very erratic and made a lot of stupid plays.

 

There's a reason they are going to be running no huddle with Trent in his 3rd season and won't let Losman audibile in his 4th. And it has nothing to do with athletic ability. It is the reason why, even Edwards doesn't make it as a starter, he will have a long career in the NFL where JP won't.

 

If only we could have somehow combine QBs: T.P. Edwarman. D.J. Flutson would have probably be a pretty good QB too.

 

Part of being a good coach is coaching to a player's strengths and putting your players in a position to win. Fairchild never did this. This doesn't mean that JP would have been good had they done it, but the coaches did not play to JP strengths. One thing i have always wondered is why the Bills put the training wheels back on the offense in 2007. They took them off in the latter half of 2006 and JP showed some flashes that he could be a decent QB. But the second they restricted the offense, JP started struggling again. So why did fairchild/jauron force an offense on JP that wasn't suited to his strengths? That is where fairchild lost me.

 

 

I also have a big problem with the fact that when we drafted him in '04, it was widely recognized that he'd take a few years to develop because he was so raw. Yet when push came to shove, the coaching staff(s) were not willing to risk it.

[Gordio]

Losman has the physical gifts, but he never put it together. He was too prone to awful decision making and pressing to make plays happen when the play just wasn't there. He may have been enough of an athlete to get away with that approach at Tulane, but in the NFL, he was up against superior athletes and the risk/reward was tilted almost completely against him. While JP should enjoy much of the blame for that, the Bills organization didn't do him a lot of favors. He did develop during 06 and especially after the "bye" week, when the Bills re-tooled the garbage OL. But, with all things Losman, every step forward was followed by a train wreck.

 

Apparently, there was some interest by other teams but Losman made a characteristic bad decision and decided to wait for an offer where he'd be declared a starter.

 

At any rate, it is hard to put a sh---eating grin on and feel overly ecstatic that the Bills completely wasted yet another 1st round pick on the QB position and got one 7-9 season (when JP was the undisputed starter) out of it. Yippee, fuggin doodoo.

 

Grossman apparently decided to drop the "1st round" mentality and took a minimum contract to compete for the 3rd QB spot (and maybe the 2nd) -- but with that contract, the Texans have nothing at risk and could dump him on the QB trash heap in a heartbeat.

 

Agreed & good post. The bills certainly did not do Losman any favors, but he certainly did not do any favors for himself either. The guy was eratic at best & down right putrid when he was at his worst. I really believe that I do not think any coaching staff would get much more out of him then Jauron & the merry band of morons did at 1 Bills Drive. I remember back when they got rid of Bledsoe & annoited Losman the starter. I was at the gym running on the treadmill next to Van Miller & I asked him about JP. He said with such conviction that he will never make it as a starter in the NFL because he is not accurate & he has no mind for the game. I laughed it off at the time but looking back, man did Miller nail the hammer on the head with that predicition.

[Gordio]

Part of being a good coach is coaching to a player's strengths and putting your players in a position to win. Fairchild never did this. This doesn't mean that JP would have been good had they done it, but the coaches did not play to JP strengths. One thing i have always wondered is why the Bills put the training wheels back on the offense in 2007. They took them off in the latter half of 2006 and JP showed some flashes that he could be a decent QB. But the second they restricted the offense, JP started struggling again. So why did fairchild/jauron force an offense on JP that wasn't suited to his strengths? That is where fairchild lost me.

 

 

I also have a big problem with the fact that when we drafted him in '04, it was widely recognized that he'd take a few years to develop because he was so raw. Yet when push came to shove, the coaching staff(s) were not willing to risk it.

 

 

You make a good point. Something must of happened in the 06 season that Losman lost the trust of the coaching staff. Drafting Edwards in 07 just confirmed that suspicion. People stated at the time Edwards was such a value that the bills could not pass him up. BS, if they were sold on Losman like everybody going into that offseason thought they were noway do they ever draft Edwards with a first day pick. The moment they drafted Edwards, Losman's days were numbered as a bill.

[Sisyphean Bills]

Part of being a good coach is coaching to a player's strengths and putting your players in a position to win. Fairchild never did this. This doesn't mean that JP would have been good had they done it, but the coaches did not play to JP strengths. One thing i have always wondered is why the Bills put the training wheels back on the offense in 2007. They took them off in the latter half of 2006 and JP showed some flashes that he could be a decent QB. But the second they restricted the offense, JP started struggling again. So why did fairchild/jauron force an offense on JP that wasn't suited to his strengths? That is where fairchild lost me.

 

 

I also have a big problem with the fact that when we drafted him in '04, it was widely recognized that he'd take a few years to develop because he was so raw. Yet when push came to shove, the coaching staff(s) were not willing to risk it.

I suspect the training wheels were put back on as the coaches attempted to reel it all back in and mitigate the damage that a sputtering erratic offense might cause -- minimize risk taking. Especially when the defense had a lot of green new players and players at certain positions being carted off in waves.

[SKOOBY]

Exactly.

 

If I go into Walmart to purchase a bucket and the only one that's on the shelf is full of feces then it's the best left.

 

No, then it's best left on the shelf.

[BillsFan-4-Ever]

some details

 

Former Chicago Bears quarterback Rex Grossman has agreed to a one-year deal with the Houston Texans.

 

The Houston Chronicle reported the story Thursday, and Grossman's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, confirmed the deal Friday on his Twitter page.

 

"Rex Grossman has officially signed with the Texans. He is excited about the opportunity to have a fresh start with the Texans," the agent's tweet read.

 

The contract, contingent on Grossman passing his physical, would be for $620,000, the minimum a seven-year veteran can receive.

 

Grossman, 29, was an unrestricted free agent but hasn't made any known visits prior to this.

[Steely Dan]

I'm not taking JP's side here, just go back and look at his Head coaches and QB coaches and how frequently they changed, not many QB's could evolve under those circumstances. Not to mention how he kept getting pulled again and again, that would sap anyone's confidence.

 

How would you like Turk Schonert as your QB coach or offensive coordinator, a 10 year backup holding a clipboard and 10 year assistant coach who never achieved anything himself. Ralph Wilson wanted him fired and replaced after last season. Jauron kept him claiming he wanted "continuity" on the team, what a load of HS.

 

This coaching staff is a QB killer and will be until they are all fired and replaced. Want to see someone have a tough time finding another job, see where Schonert goes after this season.

 

How do you know that?

 

 

And where is the evidence for this? You have none. Well before the draft, JP's agent made it clear that JP didn't want to sign with anyone before the draft, for obvious reasons, in fact, just the reasons in the article above. He wanted to make sure that the team didn't turn around and sign a young guy to develop. He wanted to find the right place to land.

 

Now, after the draft, how many FA QBs have signed? There is no hurry for JP. There is also no evidence that he's having a tough time finding a job. That's just what you want to believe.

 

These quotes are from the Tim Graham thread;

 

Is there any truth to the rumor posted here that NFL teams have shown no interest in bringing in Losman?

That's no rumor.

 

 

Unless your QB is having trouble finishing page 1...