WildBills Posted May 20, 2009 Posted May 20, 2009 i don't care if the Bills sign him but he would surely be better than keith ellison http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afceast/0-8-73/...ring-Bills.html
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 20, 2009 Posted May 20, 2009 i don't care if the Bills sign him but he would surely be better than keith ellison http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afceast/0-8-73/...ring-Bills.html If he is better the why dont you care? We should sign him, no excuses. We have brought in numerous LB's and he is the best. No more Peters contract to worry about.
WildBills Posted May 20, 2009 Author Posted May 20, 2009 i know we should sign him. that's why i made the thread. all i was saying is that i'm not going to lose any sleep if the Bills don't get him
GripnRip Posted May 20, 2009 Posted May 20, 2009 The Bills should have signed him 10 days ago. I'm at a total loss why we haven't signed him as well. He isn't a blockbuster signing but HAS to be an upgrade over Ellison. For a position that has seen no attention after being diagnosed as an offseason need...I can't imagine a much better solution falling into our laps.
jimbohastle51 Posted May 20, 2009 Posted May 20, 2009 i agree. this guy must be signed! he is the ideal fit and the best of all the free agent OLB's we have brought in. and honestly what is the sense of bringing in all these OLB's if we dont intend to sign any of them? i think we actually get this one.
sirebors Posted May 20, 2009 Posted May 20, 2009 Pisa Tinoisamoa to visit Bears Wednesday http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2009/05/st...ion_pisa_t.html
billsfan89 Posted May 20, 2009 Posted May 20, 2009 Well of course he has to be considering us. Very few teams play the system Pisa is suited for than the number get whittled down by the availability of starting jobs in those systems. Pisa wants too much money thats why the Bills haven't signed him. I would offer him somewhere around 2.8-3.3 million a year. It sounds like he wants 4 or 5 million a year. I still think he will be a Bill. He will make a round of visits to a few teams and the offers he will get will be no where near what he expects and lower than what the Bills have offered. He will go back to Buffalo and sign the offer for around three million a year. It just sounds like he is misreading the market and thinks the Bills are offering him leverage to get bigger money with a better team but the Bills are the ones who have the leverage here.
DrDawkinstein Posted May 20, 2009 Posted May 20, 2009 I'm at a total loss why we haven't signed him as well. He isn't a blockbuster signing but HAS to be an upgrade over Ellison. For a position that has seen no attention after being diagnosed as an offseason need...I can't imagine a much better solution falling into our laps. we were the first team he visited. of course he and his agent are going to entertain as many offers as they can scrounge up, its good business on their part and does not reflect on our front office at all. other than to say that they didnt overbid on an ok player. let him go visit a couple teams so he and his agent can figure out exactly what he's worth, then let negotiations begin.
jimbohastle51 Posted May 20, 2009 Posted May 20, 2009 i agree. this guy must be signed! he is the ideal fit and the best of all the free agent OLB's we have brought in. and honestly what is the sense of bringing in all these OLB's if we dont intend to sign any of them? i think we actually get this one.
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 20, 2009 Posted May 20, 2009 I'm at a total loss why we haven't signed him as well. He isn't a blockbuster signing but HAS to be an upgrade over Ellison. For a position that has seen no attention after being diagnosed as an offseason need...I can't imagine a much better solution falling into our laps. So do you just want them to completely overpay for him? Because for a free agent to take the first offer they get, it must be something that completely blows them away. I want Pisa too but not at some insane price.
GripnRip Posted May 20, 2009 Posted May 20, 2009 So do you just want them to completely overpay for him? Because for a free agent to take the first offer they get, it must be something that completely blows them away. I want Pisa too but not at some insane price. I'll answer that when I see how much the Bears/Eagles sign him for.
H2o Posted May 20, 2009 Posted May 20, 2009 There are 3 factors here as to why we didn't try to overpay him to sign here already, IMO. #1. Alvin Bowen - Our staff was pretty high on him last year before the knee injury. #2. Pat Thomas - Maybe throwing our hopes behind another former N.C. State player will work out #3. Nic Harris - Maybe they are really thrilled about getting this guy in the 5th and are expecting BIG things from him. My preference? Get Tinoisamoa on a 2 year deal, if he'll sign for a reasonable figure, and let Ellison battle for a roster spot along with the other three forementioned.
Trader Posted May 20, 2009 Posted May 20, 2009 There are 3 factors here as to why we didn't try to overpay him to sign here already, IMO. #1. Alvin Bowen - Our staff was pretty high on him last year before the knee injury. #2. Pat Thomas - Maybe throwing our hopes behind another former N.C. State player will work out #3. Nic Harris - Maybe they are really thrilled about getting this guy in the 5th and are expecting BIG things from him. My preference? Get Tinoisamoa on a 2 year deal, if he'll sign for a reasonable figure, and let Ellison battle for a roster spot along with the other three forementioned. Assuming that they will actually spend to the cap and that is an unknown at this point. They did not overpay him because they may need to bring in another Left Tackle and they would need to have the cap room to do that. Also it is not likely that they will pay him more that the LB's they have as starters now. I doubt that they think so highly of Bowen and Thomas or Harris to believe they are starting material. If the Bills do not sign a Veteran Linebacker they will have a weakness there at least for the first half of the season perhaps longer. Bowen never played in a regular season game. Your starter on MNF will be Ellison or Thomas.
shoveldog Posted May 20, 2009 Posted May 20, 2009 The blind ignorance of "fans" never ceases to amaze me. Folks, this is a business. Like any other business, you weight the cost and benefit of every spending decision very carefully. If the asking price was right, he would have been signed already. The fact that he hasn't been signed tells you that he's looking for more scratch than we believe he's worth. Nobody said we didn't make him an offer. He and his agent will shop his services and see if any better offers come about. They will use our offer as leverage and try to up the stakes. I'd be very surprised if we got him at our original offer, but if the bills left some wiggle room and can counter an offer by the Bears or the next team he visits after the Bears, you may still see him signed. Ask yourselves this... why did he suddenly become expendable with the Rams? It's a business! Clearly they felt his production wasn't worth the money they were paying. So, why do some fans insist on the "get him at all costs" mentality?
Rock'em Sock'em Posted May 20, 2009 Posted May 20, 2009 The Bills should have signed him 10 days ago. I think the Bills would like to sign him, but it comes down to the asking price. Should the Bills overpay and make "an offer that can't be refused" offer? Or take a chance, and wait it out for a more reasonable contract like the one the Bucs made for Crowell? Really the only thing preventing Tinoisamoa from fielding other offers is the Bills willing to pay him more than he thinks he's worth elsewhere. That or the history of winning and their coach's personality. Regardless of what happens, I expect that the Bills will try to address the position in the next years draft.
stuckincincy Posted May 20, 2009 Posted May 20, 2009 Assuming that they will actually spend to the cap and that is an unknown at this point. They did not overpay him because they may need to bring in another Left Tackle and they would need to have the cap room to do that. Also it is not likely that they will pay him more that the LB's they have as starters now. I doubt that they think so highly of Bowen and Thomas or Harris to believe they are starting material. If the Bills do not sign a Veteran Linebacker they will have a weakness there at least for the first half of the season perhaps longer. Bowen never played in a regular season game. Your starter on MNF will be Ellison or Thomas. Makes me wonder if they are thinking of trying Maybin at a linebacker spot. Dunno - just a thought.
WellDressed Posted May 20, 2009 Posted May 20, 2009 So do you just want them to completely overpay for him? Because for a free agent to take the first offer they get, it must be something that completely blows them away. I want Pisa too but not at some insane price. What I don't understand is that I thought he was fairly excited to come back and reunite with Fewell; the spot has his name written all over it. looking at the eagles dept chart, this is what they have on paper: (Never heard of Jordan or Fokuo) WLB--Akeem Jordan--Omar Gaither-- Moise Fokou
LynchMob23 Posted May 20, 2009 Posted May 20, 2009 What I don't understand is that I thought he was fairly excited to come back and reunite with Fewell; the spot has his name written all over it.looking at the eagles dept chart, this is what they have on paper: (Never heard of Jordan or Fokuo) WLB--Akeem Jordan--Omar Gaither-- Moise Fokou Gaither would be the starter out of that group. Fokou was a draftee this year and I got zilch on Jordan.
buffaloaggie Posted May 20, 2009 Posted May 20, 2009 The blind ignorance of "fans" never ceases to amaze me. Folks, this is a business. Like any other business, you weight the cost and benefit of every spending decision very carefully. If the asking price was right, he would have been signed already. The fact that he hasn't been signed tells you that he's looking for more scratch than we believe he's worth. Nobody said we didn't make him an offer. He and his agent will shop his services and see if any better offers come about. They will use our offer as leverage and try to up the stakes. I'd be very surprised if we got him at our original offer, but if the bills left some wiggle room and can counter an offer by the Bears or the next team he visits after the Bears, you may still see him signed. Ask yourselves this... why did he suddenly become expendable with the Rams? It's a business! Clearly they felt his production wasn't worth the money they were paying. So, why do some fans insist on the "get him at all costs" mentality? I think the last time the Bills had a LB who they wanted to get at all costs mentality was Takeo Spikes. Look how well that worked out.
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