/dev/null Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 http://www.wpri.com/dpp/news/local_news/lo...in_math20090519 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StupidNation Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 You cannot give what you do not possess. Want to bet that a whole bunch of the 73% that failed have GPAs of 3.6 or higher? Modern education has created stupidity, ignorance, and intelligence while simultaneously creating parroting, horrible logic, and a nation of sheep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 You cannot give what you do not possess. Want to bet that a whole bunch of the 73% that failed have GPAs of 3.6 or higher? Modern education has created stupidity, ignorance, and intelligence while simultaneously creating parroting, horrible logic, and a nation of sheep. You're finally correct about something. It's just too bad that you're actually one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 You cannot give what you do not possess. Want to bet that a whole bunch of the 73% that failed have GPAs of 3.6 or higher? Modern education has created stupidity, ignorance, and intelligence while simultaneously creating parroting, horrible logic, and a nation of sheep. Give the sample a try: http://www.mtel.nesinc.com/PDFs/MA_FLD009_PRACTICE_TEST.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbeau Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Give the sample a try: http://www.mtel.nesinc.com/PDFs/MA_FLD009_PRACTICE_TEST.pdf Glanced at it and it gave me nightmare flashbacks. [shudder] Granted, not an easy test, but if the job depended upon it, one would think they would prepare? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivier in france Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 You cannot give what you do not possess. Want to bet that a whole bunch of the 73% that failed have GPAs of 3.6 or higher? Modern education has created stupidity, ignorance, and intelligence while simultaneously creating parroting, horrible logic, and a nation of sheep. What's wrong with intelligence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Glanced at it and it gave me nightmare flashbacks. [shudder] Granted, not an easy test, but if the job depended upon it, one would think they would prepare? I would bet that most who failed were not Math specialists. This is a change with the NCLB legislation, many State Tests for licensure are no longer trivial and programs encourage candidates to take the content tests before they begin teaching degrees. Probably the results are not surprising because the intent of these tests is to weed out inferior candidates. Unfortunately they were creating the test while the teachers were already in preparation. Most probably have no intention of teaching math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finknottle Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 I would bet that most who failed were not Math specialists. I would bet that the distribution is closer than one might expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 You cannot give what you do not possess. Want to bet that a whole bunch of the 73% that failed have GPAs of 3.6 or higher? Modern education has created stupidity, ignorance, and intelligence while simultaneously creating parroting, horrible logic, and a nation of sheep. I will add fundamentalist, religious zealots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsNYC Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 College Professor - "A diamond in the rough. The dreamer who can't take the criticism." Brian Flanigan - "Not from a guy who hides here because he can't hack it in the real world." From the movie Cocktail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 College Professor - "A diamond in the rough. The dreamer who can't take the criticism." Brian Flanigan - "Not from a guy who hides here because he can't hack it in the real world." From the movie Cocktail. Nice line, horrible movie from a bartender's perspective. Although the Cuba Libra scene was cute. When the bar is packed 12 deep and it takes both bartenders two minutes to make one shot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMetheHeadofLeonLett Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 ... those who can't do, or teach, become business majors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsNYC Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 ... those who can't do, or teach, become business majors. Whoa whoa whoa whoa! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Cohen Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Let me start by saying that I am a recent graduate of one of the main teacher education colleges in Massachusetts. I received the highest possible scores on the Communications and Literacy test and my subject area exam, which is history. That said, this exam was for elementary ed, not for specialized "math teachers". Few if any of the people taking the exam are math majors. Math majors interested in education usually go to secondary ed, as they can basically write their own ticket as far as school district. Elementary ed jobs in-state are far more competitive. The disincentive is compounded by unions that value seniority over skill, and the cultural effects of that outlook. Good jobs are given to the most experienced candidate regardless of competence in most cases. The result is that few elementary ed majors, who must have another subject area major by law, choose math for that major. Regardless, the results illuminate several major problems. Few elementary ed teachers are comfortable or even competent to teach math (arithemetic, really, but whatever). The effects of this snowball, obviously, as all of them will have to teach mathematics to their elementary students. Obviously these students will suffer from a lack of truly qualified instruction. It also will not have a real effect on teacher education. This was a first run. The education "professionals" will get feedback from those who took the exam and direct their seminars to the new test. The teacher candidates won't actually be any better prepared to teach math to children, but they will be better prepared for a stupid exam. In any event, it makes an easy target of the wrong people, so have at it! The real problems with education have little to do with subject area knowledge, so make yourselves feel better by picking at it. Enjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Let me start by saying that I am a recent graduate of one of the main teacher education colleges in Massachusetts. I received the highest possible scores on the Communications and Literacy test and my subject area exam, which is history. That said, this exam was for elementary ed, not for specialized "math teachers". Few if any of the people taking the exam are math majors. Math majors interested in education usually go to secondary ed, as they can basically write their own ticket as far as school district. Elementary ed jobs in-state are far more competitive. The disincentive is compounded by unions that value seniority over skill, and the cultural effects of that outlook. Good jobs are given to the most experienced candidate regardless of competence in most cases. The result is that most elementary ed majors, who must have another subject area major by law, choose math for that major. Regardless, the results illuminate several major problems. Few elementary ed teachers are comfortable or even competent to teach math (arithemetic, really, but whatever). The effects of this snowball, obviously, as all of them will have to teach mathematics to their elementary students. Obviously these students will suffer from a lack of truly qualified instruction. It also will not have a real effect on teacher education. This was a first run. The education "professionals" will get feedback from those who took the exam and direct their seminars to the new test. The teacher candidates won't actually be any better prepared to teach math to children, but they will be better prepared for a stupid exam. In any event, it makes an easy target of the wrong people, so have at it! The real problems with education have little to do with subject area knowledge, so make yourselves feel better by picking at it. Enjoy! Please post more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Give the sample a try: http://www.mtel.nesinc.com/PDFs/MA_FLD009_PRACTICE_TEST.pdf I want to see Holcomb's Arm take that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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