In-A-Gadda-Levitre Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Bills' Weakness: Offensive Tackle Buffalo currently has a whopping nine offensive tackles listed on its roster, but only one of them, Langston Walker, has my confidence to get the job done. And at that, Walker is just a massive man with very average feet who struggles against speed in general. Right now, Walker is penciled in as the starting left tackle, but for my money, he is a right tackle every day of the week -- and twice on Sundays and Mondays. most of this article is subjective, but the last line kills me: Buffalo might have the worst offensive tackles in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Bills' Weakness: Offensive Tackle most of this article is subjective, but the last line kills me: To be fair, who's tackles are worse? Here's my list: Jacksonville, Oakland, KC, maybe Chicago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Hasn't that expired equine been pummeled enough? I doubt that any half-awake NFL fan in the nation hasn't read that story 3-4 times already in the past month... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Just remember last year everyone thought the oline was going to be the strength of the Bills. And Peters was one of the best tackles in the game. And we all saw how well that worked out for the Bills. I would not put too much stock into it. Let the season develope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Nails Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Jacksonville Nope- they drafted Monroe and Britten(sp?). They are pretty well off now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOBILLS78 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Hasn't that expired equine been pummeled enough? I doubt that any half-awake NFL fan in the nation hasn't read that story 3-4 times already in the past month... I prefer flatlined foal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 2, 3 maybe 4 quick hitch passes in the 1st half does wonders for your tackle play... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 2, 3 maybe 4 quick hitch passes in the 1st half does wonders for your tackle play... And that's fine. The WCO is noted for throwing the shorter routes and letting a receiver make it a big gain. Thing is, Buffalo will be in their share of 3rd and long situations where throwing the short route won't work. I've got a feeling DB's will press TO at the line to prevent him from working those routes. And when that happens, the short routes won't be as valuable. I frankly don't trust Schonert to be that OC who can use the weapons at hand. He couldn't solve the 3-4 after several attempts and after 10+ years as a QB coach. Life will be difficult for Trent if he's forced to take more than 3 step drops. Walker's ability to pass protect on the left will force Buffalo to use a TE over there. And Butler's going to need help as well. I think there'll be plenty of 2 TE sets, no matter what they say is going to be run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Correction: Buffalo may have the LEAST KNOWN Left Tackles in the NFL. These guys are not player personnel experts. They are basically groupies rating players based on the "have I heard of them?" factor. If Walker gives up fewer than 10 sacks it will be a step up from Peters. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB Fan 4 LIFE Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Wait ... Buffalo has a weakness at Tackle? Wow, someone call the buffalo news. Someone got paid to render that opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LynchMob23 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 IF they play Trent like they did this year (sit on everything underneath and play 2 cover over the receivers) that would leave: TE - Seam, Dig/In/Out RB - Arrow, Slant, Out, Seam As routes, PLUS a qb sneak every now and again (RB too). He will have options, despite what you may think about Schonert or despite Trent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Correction: Buffalo may have the LEAST KNOWN Left Tackles in the NFL. These guys are not player personnel experts. They are basically groupies rating players based on the "have I heard of them?" factor. If Walker gives up fewer than 10 sacks it will be a step up from Peters. PTR Take it for what it's worth, but you're subscribing to wishful thinking. Walker, a career G-RT and Butler, a converted G will be starting OT's. That is a huge gamble and that's all Williamson is saying in his article. You latch on to anything to continue the Malign Peters Tour. I get it that you believe in quantifying OL play purely through the subjective sacks allowed stat. Buffalo will need to tweak their offense to cover the fact their new LT is a liability in pass protection. And the RT isn't a solid bet either. If people who cover the NFL don't know about guys who've been playing for 7 and 3 years respectively, that's not being inconspicuously good, it's called mediocre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Correction: Buffalo may have the LEAST KNOWN Left Tackles in the NFL. These guys are not player personnel experts. They are basically groupies rating players based on the "have I heard of them?" factor. If Walker gives up fewer than 10 sacks it will be a step up from Peters. PTR Matt Williamson's ESPN bio: Matt Williamson has been scouting football players at different levels for six years. Before joining ESPN and Scouts Inc. in 2005, he was both an NFL and college scout for the Cleveland Browns. Before that, he spent three seasons as assistant recruiting coordinator at the University of Pittsburgh and followed J.D. Brookhart from Pitt to the University of Akron, where Williamson was the director of football operations. He got his start at Metro Index Scouting Service, where he scouted high school players in the Pittsburgh area and also spent time with Duquesne University's football program. Not sure how many "groupies" have actually scouted for an NFL team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Correction: Buffalo may have the LEAST KNOWN Left Tackles in the NFL. These guys are not player personnel experts. They are basically groupies rating players based on the "have I heard of them?" factor. If Walker gives up fewer than 10 sacks it will be a step up from Peters. PTR Here's Matt Williamson's credentials: Matt Williamson has been scouting football players at different levels for six years. Before joining ESPN and Scouts Inc. in 2005, he was both an NFL and college scout for the Cleveland Browns. Before that, he spent three seasons as assistant recruiting coordinator at the University of Pittsburgh and followed J.D. Brookhart from Pitt to the University of Akron, where Williamson was the director of football operations. He got his start at Metro Index Scouting Service, where he scouted high school players in the Pittsburgh area and also spent time with Duquesne University's football program. The guy might not be a super scout but he knows football better than us. Yes he is stating the obvious, that the Bills have unproven commodities at tackle with the exception of Langston Walker. This is unfortunately true. We all hope that it will work out but it might not. I (and probably many of us) hope that the best case scenario is that somehow Demetrius Bell can handle the left tackle position which would enable Walker to stay at his best position, right tackle. Then Hangartner, Wood, Levitre, and Butler can fight it out for the remaining three spots. Undoubtedly it is a puzzle that needs to be solved for the team to really take a step forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Correction: Buffalo may have the LEAST KNOWN Left Tackles in the NFL. These guys are not player personnel experts. They are basically groupies rating players based on the "have I heard of them?" factor. If Walker gives up fewer than 10 sacks it will be a step up from Peters. PTR 1. The Peters 11.5 sacks against is bull- propaganda just like WMD, it's out there and it ain't going away, but it isn't true 2. Peters is a top 5 LT - he had what is for him a bad year- but he will dominate with Philly- so many on this board talk crap like an a$$ hurt chick who's been dumped 3. It's all water under the bridge now 4. Got to see Bell in training camp and he has good qualities for a LT- he's been by all reports a hard worker in the weight room and expect Bell to start the season around 320- I think he's going to be our starting LT and not be a liability 5. Rookie guards have a history of playing at a pretty good level unlike some other positions 6. I expect our starters to be Bell, Wood, Hangartner, Levitre, Walker with Butler and Chambers the dressed back-ups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthGeorgiaBillsFan Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 I frankly don't trust Schonert to be that OC who can use the weapons at hand. He couldn't solve the 3-4 after several attempts and after 10+ years as a QB coach. I frankly don't trust your judgment or opinion. No offensive coordinator could be expected to be successful with the Bills personnel from last year, or the previous several years really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Bills' Weakness: Offensive Tackle most of this article is subjective, but the last line kills me: and LB and LDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 I frankly don't trust your judgment or opinion. No offensive coordinator could be expected to be successful with the Bills personnel from last year, or the previous several years really. Marshawn Lynch. Lee Evans. Fred Jackson. 2007 2nd team All-Pro LT. And Buffalo should not have been expected to do much offensively. Yet Miami had nothing at WR, little at TE, and a weak-armed castoff at QB. Their RB's returned from a serious knee injury and from a year suspension. Not to mention, rookies at LT and OG And they won. It's coaching. Having the right people at HC, OC, and DC can make average players into a good team. Bad coaches with average players can make a bad team. Buffalo fits into the latter category. For the record, you're arguing that Dan Henning got more results with less than Turk Schonert did with the aforementioned players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjprime Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Nope- they drafted Monroe and Britten(sp?). They are pretty well off now. I don't know if I'd pick 2 rookies over guys with actual game experience in the NFL. Walker might have average feet but he's been on the field and seen what the play is like at this level. And I question how much the writer has seen our line and backups. how many times have these supposed columnists just spouted off despite their credentials without any real foundation. Like his comment about Brad Butler already peaking and offering no upside despite Butler is only entering his 4th NFL season. Sorry, I doubt Butler's growth is done after 3 years of ball at the NFl level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 In my opinion it doesn't matter how much individual talent you have on the O-line, if they don't play as a cohesive unit its all for not. People are going to be surprised at how different and effective our offense will be with a good TE in Shawn Nelson and the addition of TO in the WR position. No way you are going to play all up in the face of this offense, if you do Buffalo will eat you alive with multiple deep threats. We have three weapons now that require extra attention, Nelson, TO and Evans, then you have the running back trio from hell and all three backs know they belong on the football field. Its going to be fun to watch folks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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