erynthered Posted May 13, 2009 Posted May 13, 2009 http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22470.html Though the looney left will be frothing at the mouth on this news.
finknottle Posted May 13, 2009 Posted May 13, 2009 Though the looney left will be frothing at the mouth on this news. One day they are drooling at their prospects, and the next they are frothing... who can tell the difference?
Chef Jim Posted May 13, 2009 Posted May 13, 2009 Looks like we got John Kerry after all, just four years late.
IDBillzFan Posted May 13, 2009 Posted May 13, 2009 I suspect this is his way of getting the Republicans to lay off Pelosi's lying. Doubt it will work, but who knows any more.
erynthered Posted May 13, 2009 Author Posted May 13, 2009 One day they are drooling at their prospects, and the next they are frothing... who can tell the difference? The release of those could serve the public no good. Then again, why would the ACLU care about our troops in theater.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted May 13, 2009 Posted May 13, 2009 In a dramatic and high-profile reversal for his young administration, President Barack Obama is seeking to block the release of 44 photographs depicting abuse of detainees in U.S. military custody in Iraq and Afghanistan. If Obama releases the photo's he's wrong, and it he doesn't release the photo's he's wrong. What a perfect life.
Chump Change Posted May 13, 2009 Posted May 13, 2009 If Obama releases the photo's he's wrong, and it he doesn't release the photo's he's wrong. What a perfect life. It's called playing both sides of the fence. It's what he does. You're just foolish enough to have not figured it out yet. It's what people here have pointed out since he was elected. The masses will see through his schtick soon enough though.
DC Tom Posted May 13, 2009 Posted May 13, 2009 It's called playing both sides of the fence. It's what he does. You're just foolish enough to have not figured it out yet. It's what people here have pointed out since he was elected. The masses will see through his schtick soon enough though. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he realized after the first batch of releases that it maybe wasn't a great idea in the grand scheme of things, and that perhaps after several months he's starting to see the difference between idealism and realpolitik. Changing his mind, though... It's usually better to appear decisive and wrong than it is to appear indecisive.
Chump Change Posted May 13, 2009 Posted May 13, 2009 I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he realized after the first batch of releases that it maybe wasn't a great idea in the grand scheme of things, and that perhaps after several months he's starting to see the difference between idealism and realpolitik. Changing his mind, though... It's usually better to appear decisive and wrong than it is to appear indecisive. But wasn't it just a few weeks ago he was against proscution for Bush admin officials before he was for it? And isn't the release of the memos/pictures in direct support of that decision? Now that the truth is out that his peeps knew about this tactic also it seems to be blowing up. Make no mistake about it, I'm glad he came to his senses, for whatever reason. I personally think he's trying to provide shelter to rubber face Pelosi and calm the firestorm.
IDBillzFan Posted May 13, 2009 Posted May 13, 2009 Make no mistake about it, I'm glad he came to his senses, for whatever reason. I personally think he's trying to provide shelter to rubber face Pelosi and calm the firestorm. I agree. And I prefer to call her Stretch Pelosi.
ieatcrayonz Posted May 13, 2009 Posted May 13, 2009 The release of those could serve the public no good. Then again, why would the ACLU care about our troops in theater. Dude they have a lot of work to do over there and I doubt there is much time to watch movies.
blzrul Posted May 13, 2009 Posted May 13, 2009 I would imagine there are some pretty incendiary photos in there. But he didn't order them withheld, he ordered the attorneys to object to their release. The ACLU is already filing to get them released. And I imagine eventually some will be released, and some will be withheld. Obama's point that there was abuse, and it was bad, is being made by his decision to withhold them - without letting the rest of the world see them. I personally don't really care if they come out, or not. I won't look at them any more than I want to hear the audio tapes of that freaking Colgan Air plane coming down in Clarence. At least this President is letting us see all the dead soldiers' caskets coming home instead of pretending they didn't exist. Those are all the photos we need to remind us that war sucks.
erynthered Posted May 14, 2009 Author Posted May 14, 2009 I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he realized after the first batch of releases that it maybe wasn't a great idea in the grand scheme of things, and that perhaps after several months he's starting to see the difference between idealism and realpolitik. Changing his mind, though... It's usually better to appear decisive and wrong than it is to appear indecisive..and right??. Up the meds tom....... Or kill the cats...... seems to work for you......not the cats, though.
Max Fischer Posted May 14, 2009 Posted May 14, 2009 Damn you, President Obama! Damn you for keeping your promise to act pragmatically! Only a true leader will do on Thursday what they said they would do on Tuesday, no matter what happens on Wednesday! Oh, how will America survive a leader who uses pragmatism to arrive at a correct decision?
DC Tom Posted May 14, 2009 Posted May 14, 2009 Damn you, President Obama! Damn you for keeping your promise to act pragmatically! Only a true leader will do on Thursday what they said they would do on Tuesday, no matter what happens on Wednesday! Oh, how will America survive a leader who uses pragmatism to arrive at a correct decision? Actually, it's very unpragmatic to say your going to do something, then change your mind 48 hours later. Much better (and more honest) to say "I'm giving it all due consideration, but I haven't decided yet."
Max Fischer Posted May 14, 2009 Posted May 14, 2009 Actually, it's very unpragmatic to say your going to do something, then change your mind 48 hours later. Much better (and more honest) to say "I'm giving it all due consideration, but I haven't decided yet." Oh, yeah, that's so much different . . .
RkFast Posted May 14, 2009 Posted May 14, 2009 Oh, yeah, that's so much different . . . Yes...it is. Only a child who hasnt developed multi dimentional thinking yet would feel otherwise. You want Obama to think and make decisions like a child would? Maybe thats it...liberals are children. Its all about "feelings", casting away reality and one dimensional thinking.
BillsNYC Posted May 14, 2009 Posted May 14, 2009 http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-...0,1797091.story What a bunch of liberal bs. "But what's the alternative? For one thing, it will be very difficult to keep the photos under wraps at this point. Shouldn't the administration at least get credit for making them public, rather than waiting for them to be leaked to Seymour Hersh (as the Abu Ghraib pictures were)?" So Obama should ask for them to be released, putting our troops waging war in further danger and potentially igniting more anger across the mideast....just so he can take credit for the photos being released? "Like most Americans, we have not yet seen the images and don't know what they'll portray. But until they're made public, they seem likely only to inflame the imaginations of America's friends and enemies. The worst will be assumed." More BS - the only people who want to see them are angry liberals and those who already hate America. In the 24 hour news cycle of today, if these aren't released they'll be forgotten by most Americans, who I think have had enough.
finknottle Posted May 14, 2009 Posted May 14, 2009 Yes...it is. Only a child who hasnt developed multi dimentional thinking yet would feel otherwise. You want Obama to think and make decisions like a child would? Maybe thats it...liberals are children. Its all about "feelings", casting away reality and one dimensional thinking. I think we can cut him some slack on this point - he *is* a child in the sense that he has not had any exposure to or formative experiences in nearly everything he is dealing with, from business to foreign affairs. Chrysler and Gitmo are just shiny blocks to play with right now, and he is only now discovering that playtime has boundaries. We may not like it, but we're going to have to live with it for a year or so while he grows into the job.
DC Tom Posted May 14, 2009 Posted May 14, 2009 Yes...it is. Only a child who hasnt developed multi dimentional thinking yet would feel otherwise. You want Obama to think and make decisions like a child would? Maybe thats it...liberals are children. Its all about "feelings", casting away reality and one dimensional thinking. More to the point...Obama made a statement, then upon further reflection changed his mind. Then why did he make the first statement to begin with? If you want to give something more thought, don't make policy statements on it without giving it more thought.
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