ieatcrayonz Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Quite the contrary. I wrote it that way because I don't believe it. I wrote that "Jauron insisted" he didn't make the call. If I knew for a fact that Jauron made the call, I would have written it as fact. I'm prone to take Jauron at his word because he never has lied to me personally or burned me in any way, but I wrote it that way because it doesn't make sense. That Wilson made the call makes more sense. Given Jauron's MO, isn't it possible that he tried to stay with TS as long sa he could, hoping all the while TS would take his advice and simplify the offense? At some point Jauron may have realized that TS just would not listen and he pulled the trigger. Jauron's loyalty to a fault seems to make this possible to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimGraham Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Most gutless thing I've ever seen. At least have someone accept it on his behalf because it's cold and windy and he's an old fart. At least have the stones to announce you bailed on it before the game and be willing to take a day of heat for killing it in advance. Further proof that all decisions in Buffalo are made by the marketing department. We don't want video of RW or anyone associated with RW getting booed on TV so we won't even give you the chance. Have a nice day and drive home safely. I didn't find the ceremony's cancellation as gutless as the Bills and Jauron playing dumb on the contract extension until after the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimGraham Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Given Jauron's MO, isn't it possible that he tried to stay with TS as long sa he could, hoping all the while TS would take his advice and simplify the offense? At some point Jauron may have realized that TS just would not listen and he pulled the trigger. Jauron's loyalty to a fault seems to make this possible to me. Sure, it's possible. But that's most damning explanation of all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOTONE Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Sure, it's possible. But that's most damning explanation of all. It's actually quite sad. Trent has shown he can't manage this offense and it has been "dumbed down." I thought people from Stanford were smarter than that. Tim, At what point do they throw Fitzgerald in for a change of pace or do they ride Trent into futility? I don't think it is the same situation as Cleveland because DA was a winner prior to getting yanked for Quinn and his paycheck. While the offensive woes are not 100% his fault a change has to be made. He is not making the throws and the last pick he threw when TO broke the route deep was atrocious. Trent went on to say that "the CB made a great play." It was a horrific throw that would have went for a TD had he put more on it. I guess what I am saying is when does this guy become accountable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew in CA Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Quite the contrary. I wrote it that way because I don't believe it. I wrote that "Jauron insisted" he didn't make the call. If I knew for a fact that Jauron made the call, I would have written it as fact. I'm prone to take Jauron at his word because he never has lied to me personally or burned me in any way, but I wrote it that way because it doesn't make sense. That Wilson made the call makes more sense. Ok, I see. Thanks for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Tim, Is there any sense from your other sources (i.e., the NFL office) that RW may hire a real football GM after the end of the season (and, of course, a new head coach)? Do you think that the NFL office has any dialogue with RW about these things? If there is a team that could use an outside consultant, such as Ron Wolff, this is the team. Thanks for your insights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 There are only 32 head coaching jobs in the NFL, and while the Bills' opening would rank near the bottom in terms of prestige, there are a lot of coordinators out there who would kill to get their shot. Consider this: Prior to last year's playoff run, Rex Ryan probably would have taken the first job offered. Well if a job is open that means the team is likely to be bad or at least mediocre (Other than Dallas and Washington I can't think of another possible opening that would be better than this in terms of talent currently on roster maybe Carolina if they fire Fox). So if there are 6-8 jobs available than why would the Bills be at the bottom of the list? I mean we aren't that far off on defense and there are pieces on the offense. I guess my question is if a team has a coach opening obviously they are bad and if Ralph wanted to reignite interest in this team and was willing to spend big to get a John Gruden type and was willing to give the keys over to a guy would a big name come here over a place like Jacksonville or Tampa Bay? I mean even if this place is near the bottom in terms of prestige the competition can't be that far ahead. It also helps the Bills cause that there are a ton of big name coaches out there (Cower, Shanahan, Holmgren, Gruden ect) so if the top guys like Cower, Shanahan, and Holmgren get the top jobs than could a Gruden type second tier candidate trickle down to Buffalo (Assuming Ralph would be willing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Quite the contrary. I wrote it that way because I don't believe it. I wrote that "Jauron insisted" he didn't make the call. If I knew for a fact that Jauron made the call, I would have written it as fact. I'm prone to take Jauron at his word because he never has lied to me personally or burned me in any way, but I wrote it that way because it doesn't make sense. That Wilson made the call makes more sense. Tim G., I can see a scenario playing out in the not too distant future. Ralph Wilson orders Dick Jauron to fire some of his coaches. Dick Jauron refuses. The baron owner then summarily fires Jauron for insubordination. The offended owner then claims that Jauron quit on him and thus by his own self declared fiat the contract is automatically annulled. This drama is a repeat of the Wade Phillips scene. Dick Jauron doesn't have to worry about getting paid in full because when it goes to arbitration the arbitrator will make a ruling in three minutes that the irascible owner has to pay off the contract in full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimGraham Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Tim you wrote in your blog: I think we all know the line is bad at the tackle position. But, most Bills fans think that Levitre and Wood possess a lot of talent, they just have to grow into their starting rolls. In fairness to both of them, they got their feet put to the fire. Its a great way to learn, but you have to deal with the hiccups along the way. What are your thoughts on Levitre, Wood and Bell? Are you saying they lack talent? Don't confuse ability for potential. Ability gets it done on Sundays. Potential gets it done (hopefully) down the road. Levitre, Wood and Bell have a ton of potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimGraham Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Tim G., I can see a scenario playing out in the not too distant future. Ralph Wilson orders Dick Jauron to fire some of his coaches. Dick Jauron refuses. The baron owner then summarily fires Jauron for insubordination. The offended owner then claims that Jauron quit on him and thus by his own self declared fiat the contract is automatically annulled. This drama is a repeat of the Wade Phillips scene. Dick Jauron doesn't have to worry about getting paid in full because when it goes to arbitration the arbitrator will make a ruling in three minutes that the irascible owner has to pay off the contract in full. Third verse Same as the first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimGraham Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Tim, Is there any sense from your other sources (i.e., the NFL office) that RW may hire a real football GM after the end of the season (and, of course, a new head coach)? Do you think that the NFL office has any dialogue with RW about these things? If there is a team that could use an outside consultant, such as Ron Wolff, this is the team. Thanks for your insights. Don't thank me too soon. On this subject I have no insights. Nobody seems to know what Ralph is thinking these days. But I'm sure there is plenty of dialogue within the organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimGraham Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Well if a job is open that means the team is likely to be bad or at least mediocre (Other than Dallas and Washington I can't think of another possible opening that would be better than this in terms of talent currently on roster maybe Carolina if they fire Fox). So if there are 6-8 jobs available than why would the Bills be at the bottom of the list? I mean we aren't that far off on defense and there are pieces on the offense. I guess my question is if a team has a coach opening obviously they are bad and if Ralph wanted to reignite interest in this team and was willing to spend big to get a John Gruden type and was willing to give the keys over to a guy would a big name come here over a place like Jacksonville or Tampa Bay? I mean even if this place is near the bottom in terms of prestige the competition can't be that far ahead. It also helps the Bills cause that there are a ton of big name coaches out there (Cower, Shanahan, Holmgren, Gruden ect) so if the top guys like Cower, Shanahan, and Holmgren get the top jobs than could a Gruden type second tier candidate trickle down to Buffalo (Assuming Ralph would be willing) The Bills will be at the bottom of the list unless they offer organizational control to their new coach. That's how teams land the big-name coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 The Bills will be at the bottom of the list unless they offer organizational control to their new coach. That's how teams land the big-name coaches. So if Ralph was to give up the control of the Bills (and I know thats a big if) would a coach like Gruden want to come to Buffalo over a place like Jacksonville or Cleveland? I mean is Ralph the only thing keeping coaches away or is there a stigma about the Bills that goes beyond Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 Don't confuse ability for potential. Ability gets it done on Sundays. Potential gets it done (hopefully) down the road. Levitre, Wood and Bell have a ton of potential. As did Rob Johnson... (ducking) ...which I think was your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortured Soul Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Hey Tim, Page 2 has been running a series, "Who runs this town?" but they rudely skipped Buffalo despite doing cities with only one team. So, who would you pick as the runner, and the runners up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 As did Rob Johnson...(ducking) ...which I think was your point. Lori, You are such a provocatuer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Don't thank me too soon. On this subject I have no insights. Nobody seems to know what Ralph is thinking these days. But I'm sure there is plenty of dialogue within the organization. Tim G., It is amazaing how a 91 yr old owner can be such an island on to himself. Not many people are allowed access to him. He holds his cards very tightly to his chest and won't reveal them until he wants to. Even in the bad times (most of the time) he doesn't show his position. As long as the franchise financial sheet is in order he can handle the pressure and abuse. But if the ledger is not at his level of expectation the volcano will erupt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Tim G., It is amazaing how a 91 yr old owner can be such an island on to himself. Not many people are allowed access to him. He holds his cards very tightly to his chest and won't reveal them until he wants to. Even in the bad times (most of the time) he doesn't show his position. As long as the franchise financial sheet is in order he can handle the pressure and abuse. But if the ledger is not at his level of expectation the volcano will erupt. There is a chance that Ralph actually does want to win and that this current train wreck is both a terrible surprise and embarrassment to him. In short, that he has been duped by those around him and given some, shall we say, naive advice. For example, if he is listening to Marv Levy, then he is hearing a steady refrain of "stay the course" and "be patient" punctuated with random and disconnected names of Hall of Fame players and coaches. He needs to get over his fear that he'll !@#$ it up again and hire another Tom Donahoe. He needs to get past that and hire a proven football person and give them control to re-build this team from scratch. He can't afford to be overly patient and hope his front office and coaches figure it out someday. He's 91 and some of these cats have been making bad decisions for a decade now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Tim, Do you know if the Bills have sent scouts to watch Jay Clocker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 There is a chance that Ralph actually does want to win and that this current train wreck is both a terrible surprise and embarrassment to him. In short, that he has been duped by those around him and given some, shall we say, naive advice. For example, if he is listening to Marv Levy, then he is hearing a steady refrain of "stay the course" and "be patient" punctuated with random and disconnected names of Hall of Fame players and coaches. He needs to get over his fear that he'll !@#$ it up again and hire another Tom Donahoe. He needs to get past that and hire a proven football person and give them control to re-build this team from scratch. He can't afford to be overly patient and hope his front office and coaches figure it out someday. He's 91 and some of these cats have been making bad decisions for a decade now. Sisyphean Bills, The front office structure was set up by Ralph Wilson. He brought in clueless Levy to take over for Donahoe (who Wilson hired) who replaced Butler/A.J. Smith who he fired. It was Ralph Wilson who fired a HOF GM in Bill Polian. The point I'm making is that this archaic organizational structure and incompetent staffing is due to the decisions Ralph Wilson, himself, has made. When the owner is out of touch and he is the primary decision-maker the odds are that the dog will continue to chase its own tail and the cycle of ineptitude will continue. What does it say when the GM/COO, Russ Brandon, a marketing specialist, was elevated by the irrational owner to take over the reigns of an already dismal francise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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