dave mcbride Posted October 5, 2009 Posted October 5, 2009 I disagree on processing quickly. The ball that he threw to Lee yesterday was late because of his "processing" and not getting rid of it quickly. There are plenty of other instances as well. That's in a part a reflection of the scheme. Prior to this year, no one ever made that complaint of him.
BUFFALOTONE Posted October 5, 2009 Posted October 5, 2009 That's in a part a reflection of the scheme. Prior to this year, no one ever made that complaint of him. Scheme? He had Evans 1 on 1 with a rookie CB. That out should have been a fade or post or something. Garbage in garbage out. Theres your process.
BEAST MODE BABY! Posted October 5, 2009 Posted October 5, 2009 He does not trust himself down field. And now Trent is going to say "See, look what happens when I throw downfield. It gets intercepted."
EC-Bills Posted October 6, 2009 Posted October 6, 2009 That's in a part a reflection of the scheme. Prior to this year, no one ever made that complaint of him. You're kidding right? I saw it last year as well.
EC-Bills Posted October 6, 2009 Posted October 6, 2009 I think the Bluto Blutarsky method works best in these situations. You mean I go get a ladder and head over a sorority? Okay...
dave mcbride Posted October 6, 2009 Posted October 6, 2009 You're kidding right? I saw it last year as well. I'm not sure I know what you mean. My impression is that virtually every observer thought he got rid of the ball quickly. Outside of Brady/Manning, you're not going to find many who get rid of it more quickly. There are certainly some who get rid of it as quickly as him, but not many. Bear in mind that his game is throwing a ton of short timing patterns, which means that he was by definition getting rid of it fast. in any case, that's hardly his biggest flaw. Watch QBs for some other teams and you'll see what I mean. Practically anyone who throws it deep a lot is holding it longer than he does. You might be deceived because of how bad the Bills offensive line is. The breakdowns speed everything up and make the QB look slower than he really is. I mean, against Miami, nearly every play from the mid-third quarter on was a jailbreak.
BuffaloWings Posted October 6, 2009 Posted October 6, 2009 I disagree on processing quickly. The ball that he threw to Lee yesterday was late because of his "processing" and not getting rid of it quickly. There are plenty of other instances as well. He's done this a number of times already this year, but I don't think it's because of him processing the play...it looks as if he's waiting for the receiver to make his break and actually be open before he throws the ball. You can't do that. You need to trust that the receiver will be (or at least get) open and throw it before he makes his break. Trent doesn't have that trust.
EC-Bills Posted October 6, 2009 Posted October 6, 2009 I'm not sure I know what you mean. My impression is that virtually every observer thought he got rid of the ball quickly. Outside of Brady/Manning, you're not going to find many who get rid of it more quickly. There are certainly some who get rid of it as quickly as him, but not many. Bear in mind that his game is throwing a ton of short timing patterns, which means that he was by definition getting rid of it fast. in any case, that's hardly his biggest flaw. Watch QBs for some other teams and you'll see what I mean. Practically anyone who throws it deep a lot is holding it longer than he does. You might be deceived because of how bad the Bills offensive line is. The breakdowns speed everything up and make the QB look slower than he really is. I mean, against Miami, nearly every play from the mid-third quarter on was a jailbreak. His rookie year, he did get rid of the ball quickly. Last year though, when he was asked to do more than dump-offs he did not get rid of things quickly. Same thing is happening this year. I am also getting tired of this "offensive line" excuse. Sure our OL blows, but go watch the Packers/Vikings game and explain to me why Rodgers still made plays while getting sacked 8 times.
Guest dog14787 Posted October 6, 2009 Posted October 6, 2009 Tim, I know you are not afraid to ask the tough questions, we have watched you do it throughout your career with amazing results. Do you mind asking Dick Jauron on his next interview what he hopes to accomplish when the entire Bills fan base wants him removed and will not be satisfied as long as he's the Buffalo Bills head coach. Ask him what he wants to say to us the fans that just want him gone. Thanks
VABills Posted October 6, 2009 Posted October 6, 2009 His rookie year, he did get rid of the ball quickly. Last year though, when he was asked to do more than dump-offs he did not get rid of things quickly. Same thing is happening this year. I am also getting tired of this "offensive line" excuse. Sure our OL blows, but go watch the Packers/Vikings game and explain to me why Rodgers still made plays while getting sacked 8 times. And yet the packers lost.
BLZFAN4LIFE Posted October 6, 2009 Posted October 6, 2009 There doesn't seem to be much "Asking Tim Graham" going on here.
EC-Bills Posted October 6, 2009 Posted October 6, 2009 And yet the packers lost. And yet the game was competitive up to the end.
billsfan89 Posted October 6, 2009 Posted October 6, 2009 Hey Tim how appealing is the Bills head coaching job around the league (Assuming Hypothetically Ralph is willing to put up money). Are top coordinators and top former coaches going to be interested in this job? I think that going into next year the talent level of this team (Pretty decent D and some parts to work with on O) is appealing enough but do highly sought after guys want to come here even if the money is right. I am not saying this is the Raiders job but is the reason that we have seen B and C list guys like DJ, Mularky, and Greggo is partly a result of top guys just not liking the job and Ralph not spending. OR is it just Ralph if he were to put up the bucks would he be able to get a Gruden like guy. Is this job one former coaches and coordinators want but once they find out what Ralph is willing to spend they back away or is it a combo of Ralph not giving full control and other factors. I personally think that Ralph not spending is the biggest issue. If this team ever wants to be turned around they have to get a big name or at least get a highly sought after coordinator (Like Rex Ryan was). So Tim do you think that if Ralph was willing to spend top guys would come or are there other factors in play?
dave mcbride Posted October 6, 2009 Posted October 6, 2009 And yet the game was competitive up to the end. Come on now. It was basically garbage time scoring. I never thought for once that the outcome was in doubt in the fourth.
BLZFAN4LIFE Posted October 6, 2009 Posted October 6, 2009 Thank you Tim for publicizing our disgust with the incredible failure of a head coach that we are currently stuck with. Getting 97% to agree ain't easy.
BUFFALOTONE Posted October 6, 2009 Posted October 6, 2009 And yet the packers lost. I would rather lose on my feet then on my back.
EC-Bills Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 Come on now. It was basically garbage time scoring. I never thought for once that the outcome was in doubt in the fourth. Yeah right, the Packers were merely trying to pad their stats
Sisyphean Bills Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 His rookie year, he did get rid of the ball quickly. Last year though, when he was asked to do more than dump-offs he did not get rid of things quickly. Same thing is happening this year. I am also getting tired of this "offensive line" excuse. Sure our OL blows, but go watch the Packers/Vikings game and explain to me why Rodgers still made plays while getting sacked 8 times. Scheme: when it's stupid simple, other teams can defend it easily and make the entire enchillada look ridiculous.
TimGraham Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 Hey Tim how appealing is the Bills head coaching job around the league (Assuming Hypothetically Ralph is willing to put up money). Are top coordinators and top former coaches going to be interested in this job? I think that going into next year the talent level of this team (Pretty decent D and some parts to work with on O) is appealing enough but do highly sought after guys want to come here even if the money is right. I am not saying this is the Raiders job but is the reason that we have seen B and C list guys like DJ, Mularky, and Greggo is partly a result of top guys just not liking the job and Ralph not spending. OR is it just Ralph if he were to put up the bucks would he be able to get a Gruden like guy. Is this job one former coaches and coordinators want but once they find out what Ralph is willing to spend they back away or is it a combo of Ralph not giving full control and other factors. I personally think that Ralph not spending is the biggest issue. If this team ever wants to be turned around they have to get a big name or at least get a highly sought after coordinator (Like Rex Ryan was). So Tim do you think that if Ralph was willing to spend top guys would come or are there other factors in play? There are only 32 head coaching jobs in the NFL, and while the Bills' opening would rank near the bottom in terms of prestige, there are a lot of coordinators out there who would kill to get their shot. Consider this: Prior to last year's playoff run, Rex Ryan probably would have taken the first job offered.
JohnC Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 There are only 32 head coaching jobs in the NFL, and while the Bills' opening would rank near the bottom in terms of prestige, there are a lot of coordinators out there who would kill to get their shot. Consider this: Prior to last year's playoff run, Rex Ryan probably would have taken the first job offered. Tim G, What good is hiring a quality young coordinator when the support system within the organization is going to work against the new hire in turning things around. Our owner is clueless, the front office is inept and many of the football personnel decisions are made on the basis of financial considerations rather than football considerations. It is indisputatble, at least to me, that the most influential staffers in the organization are Littman, Oberdofer and Brandon. The first two named are finance people and the third is a marketing specialist. Does anyone really believe that the departure of Peters and Walker were made by Jauron and his football staff? Of course not. Does anyone doubt that London Fletcher is better than any of our non impact LBs on the team's roster, including Paul P.? Fletcher was allowed to walk because his contract was up and the money people in the organization weren't going to pay the price for one of the most productive linebackers in the league. The organizational structure in this losing organization was set up by the owner so he can extract as much money out of the franchise that he can. The owner of the Pittsburgh Pirates has the same business model. Performance on the field is not a serious consideration as long as he can take keep a low payroll, take revenue sharing money from the wealthier franchises and buy down his debt in order to increase equity and still have a profit. The owner of the LA Clippers, Sterling, also had a similar business model. Keep the payroll low, don't resign your quality players when their first contract is up and still reap a profit. Until there is new ownership is not going to be any appreciable change in how the team is operated. Does anyone expect a 91 yr old person to be less stubborn as time moves on? Does anyone expect a 91 yr old grouch to stop conducting business in the way he has been doing for half a century? If the old way has been incredibly profitable for him why does anyone expect him to change? The Bills have become one of the most irrelevant teams in the NFL. Why do anything to change the dynamics of this dismal franchise when it works handsomely well for the owner's wallet?
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