SKOOBY Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 If we can take care of our own divisional foes, their difficult schedule will take care of them. Miami has the hardest schedule & NE / NYJ are there as well, so us really beating them needs to be our primary goal. If we can somehow manage to defeat them in the 5 out of 6 games we have to play them, the AFC east is ours (along with a home playoff game). The rest of our schedule will take care of itself. I think the Bills need to start gameplanning literally weeks in advance of our AFC east games & focus on our opponent that week only briefly a few days before. That way when the AFC east game week comes up, we already had a few days of practice in for them and can refresh instead of renew. It may sound crazy but mathematically speaking, we can't win them all. 1990- 7 out of 8 possible wins in the AFC east - Result #1 in the AFC east: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/1990.htm 1991- 7 out of 8 possible wins in the AFC east - Result #1 in the AFC east: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/1991.htm 1992- 6 out of 8 possible wins in the AFC east - Result #2 in the AFC east: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/1992.htm 1993- 7 out of 8 possible wins in the AFC east - Result #1 in the AFC east: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/1993.htm Looking outside the box here, the Bills winning any less than 5 AFC east games will probably give another AFC east team the division title. The goal this year, focus on winning in the division and let the rest take care of itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 If we can take care of our own divisional foes, their difficult schedule will take care of them. Miami has the hardest schedule & NE / NYJ are there as well, so us really beating them needs to be our primary goal. If we can somehow manage to defeat them in the 5 out of 6 games we have to play them, the AFC east is ours (along with a home playoff game). The rest of our schedule will take care of itself. I think the Bills need to start gameplanning literally weeks in advance of our AFC east games & focus on our opponent that week only briefly a few days before. That way when the AFC east game week comes up, we already had a few days of practice in for them and can refresh instead of renew. It may sound crazy but mathematically speaking, we can't win them all. 1990- 5 out of 6 wins in the AFC east - Result #1 in the AFC east: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/1990.htm 1991- 5 out of 6 wins in the AFC east - Result #1 in the AFC east: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/1991.htm 1992- 4 out of 6 wins in the AFC east - Result #2 in the AFC east: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/1992.htm 1993- 5 out of 6 wins in the AFC east - Result #1 in the AFC east: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/1993.htm Looking outside the box here, the Bills winning any less than 5 games gave someone else the division title. This has to be our goal this year, focus on winning in the division and let the rest take care of itself. huhh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 The Bills played 8 games against divisional opponents 1990-1993. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Number 76 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 If we can take care of our own divisional foes, their difficult schedule will take care of them. Miami has the hardest schedule & NE / NYJ are there as well, so us really beating them needs to be our primary goal. If we can somehow manage to defeat them in the 5 out of 6 games we have to play them, the AFC east is ours (along with a home playoff game). The rest of our schedule will take care of itself. I think the Bills need to start gameplanning literally weeks in advance of our AFC east games & focus on our opponent that week only briefly a few days before. That way when the AFC east game week comes up, we already had a few days of practice in for them and can refresh instead of renew. It may sound crazy but mathematically speaking, we can't win them all. 1990- 5 out of 6 wins in the AFC east - Result #1 in the AFC east: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/1990.htm 1991- 5 out of 6 wins in the AFC east - Result #1 in the AFC east: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/1991.htm 1992- 4 out of 6 wins in the AFC east - Result #2 in the AFC east: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/1992.htm 1993- 5 out of 6 wins in the AFC east - Result #1 in the AFC east: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/1993.htm Looking outside the box here, the Bills winning any less than 5 AFC east games will probably give another AFC east team the division title. The goal this year, focus on winning in the division and let the rest take care of itself. Weren't there 5 teams in the AFC East then, meaning that the Bills would have played 8, not 6, games against division opponents? Redo it and include the Colts. But the point is well-taken (even if it's not new): Gotta win the division games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKOOBY Posted May 13, 2009 Author Share Posted May 13, 2009 Weren't there 5 teams in the AFC East then, meaning that the Bills would have played 8, not 6, games against division opponents? Redo it and include the Colts. But the point is well-taken (even if it's not new): Gotta win the division games. It's redone but you obviously got the point. You cannot realistically win a division without defeating your divisional mates a huge majority of the time. The higher your winning % inside the division, the greater the likelyhood of you getting a much higher seeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Number 76 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 It's redone but you obviously got the point. You cannot realistically win a division without defeating your divisional mates a huge majority of the time. The higher your winning % inside the division, the greater the likelyhood [sic] of you getting a much higher seeding. Thanks for fixing it. It's still not a new concept. And cause and effect might be mixed up here; the great team has a better chance of winning the division, just as the team that wins the division has a better chance of being great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKOOBY Posted May 13, 2009 Author Share Posted May 13, 2009 Thanks for fixing it. It's still not a new concept. And cause and effect might be mixed up here; the great team has a better chance of winning the division, just as the team that wins the division has a better chance of being great. Since they switched the divisions to 4 team per in 2002 here are the inter-divisional results: 2002- Every team with the best divisional record won it's division (8 out of 8 won their division): http://www.supernfl.com/standings2002.html 2003- Seattle with a 5-1 divisional record (best divisional record) lost it's division (7 out of 8 won their division): http://www.supernfl.com/standings2003.html 2004- St. Louis with a 5-1 divisional record (best divisional record) lost it's division (7 out of 8 won their division): http://www.supernfl.com/standings2004.html 2005- Washington with a 5-1 divisional record (best divisional record) lost it's division (7 out of 8 won their division): http://www.supernfl.com/standings2005.html 2006- Tennessee / Carolina with the best divisional record lost their division (6 out of 8 won their division): http://www.supernfl.com/standings2006.html 2007- Every team with the best divisional record won it's division (8 out of 8 won their division): http://www.supernfl.com/standings2007.html 2008- Every team with the best divisional record won it's division (8 out of 8 won their division): http://www.supernfl.com/standings2008.html So the team with the best inter-divisional record wins the division over 91% of the time based on the 4 team divisional format. 1-9 shot in the race against all opponents for all of you that like gambling & you know not to bet against the 1-9 shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Number 76 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Since they switched the divisions to 4 team per in 2002 here are the inter-divisional results: 2002- Every team with the best divisional record won it's division (8 out of 8 won their division): http://www.supernfl.com/standings2002.html 2003- Seattle with a 5-1 divisional record (best divisional record) lost it's division (7 out of 8 won their division): http://www.supernfl.com/standings2003.html 2004- St. Louis with a 5-1 divisional record (best divisional record) lost it's division (7 out of 8 won their division): http://www.supernfl.com/standings2004.html 2005- Washington with a 5-1 divisional record (best divisional record) lost it's division (7 out of 8 won their division): http://www.supernfl.com/standings2005.html 2006- Tennessee / Carolina with the best divisional record lost their division (6 out of 8 won their division): http://www.supernfl.com/standings2006.html 2007- Every team with the best divisional record won it's division (8 out of 8 won their division): http://www.supernfl.com/standings2007.html 2008- Every team with the best divisional record won it's division (8 out of 8 won their division): http://www.supernfl.com/standings2008.html So the team with the best inter-divisional record wins the division over 91% of the time based on the 4 team divisional format. 1-9 shot in the race against all opponents for all of you that like gambling & you know not to bet against the 1-9 shot. Ok. First, "its," not "it's," in that context, and "intra," not "inter." (Do you drive an MBW?) Next: Good teams often win divisions. Good teams also often beat their divisional opponents. Again, you are pointing out a statistic that we all know about, but you aren't telling us why the chicken comes before the egg. We could take the same stat set and say, wow, the team that wins the division beats its division opponents x% of the time, and x is going to be a big number. A good team is likely to both win its division and win most of its divisional games. The reason: it's (not "its," this time) a good team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartshan-83 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 I think the Bills need to start gameplanning literally weeks in advance of our AFC east games & focus on our opponent that week only briefly a few days before. That way when the AFC east game week comes up, we already had a few days of practice in for them and can refresh instead of renew. It may sound crazy but mathematically speaking, we can't win them all. What? This sounds like a crayonz post, but on the chance you are being serious: You think we should prepare for our 10 non-division opponents "only briefly a few days before" each game? Guess what that will mean? 10 losses. Go ahead and check pro-football-reference.com for the number of 6-10 teams that have made the playoffs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offde-fence Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 I have to think the coaches in the nfl study up all year round on their divisional foes, and perhaps especially certain foes that tend to get the better of them (N.E.), or at least are often thinking of ways to beat them...but, on a whole, I think our team would do well to study and learn to defeat the 3-4 Defense. For the most part, our defense is going to do its thing, but, our offense was terrible last year against the 3-4, and you can see an early and serious effort, on our part, to deal with that - by strengthening our interior O-line, and by adding speed and size to the reciever sets. Tight End hurt us a bit last year on passes that would be covered by linemen in the 3-4. Now we've got hands and speed there, too. I think we're doing a lot to overcome our divisional opponents thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKOOBY Posted May 13, 2009 Author Share Posted May 13, 2009 What? This sounds like a crayonz post, but on the chance you are being serious: You think we should prepare for our 10 non-division opponents "only briefly a few days before" each game? Guess what that will mean? 10 losses. I think almost any good NFL team can go .500 with only a few full days of game planning for a non-divisional opponent, which would obviously give us a near 11-5 record (which normally leads to the playoffs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Really good teams, that get a lot of wins and make the playoffs, also usually have a good division record. WOW, what a revelation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKOOBY Posted May 13, 2009 Author Share Posted May 13, 2009 I have to think the coaches in the nfl study up all year round on their divisional foes, and perhaps especially certain foes that tend to get the better of them (N.E.), or at least are often thinking of ways to beat them...but, on a whole, I think our team would do well to study and learn to defeat the 3-4 Defense. For the most part, our defense is going to do its thing, but, our offense was terrible last year against the 3-4, and you can see an early and serious effort, on our part, to deal with that - by strengthening our interior O-line, and by adding speed and size to the reciever sets. Tight End hurt us a bit last year on passes that would be covered by linemen in the 3-4. Now we've got hands and speed there, too. I think we're doing a lot to overcome our divisional opponents thus far. I think we have to do more to help assure our victories against our divisional opponents, obviously a majority of victories against them will lead to much greater chance of winning the division or making the playoffs. Divisional record is the first tie-breaker after common record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKOOBY Posted May 13, 2009 Author Share Posted May 13, 2009 Really good teams, that get a lot of wins and make the playoffs, also usually have a good division record. WOW, what a revelation. Brother 9 out of 10 times is not usually, it's pretty much always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartshan-83 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 I think almost any good NFL team can go .500 with only a few full days of game planning for a non-divisional opponent, which would obviously give us a near 11-5 record (which normally leads to the playoffs) Now you're just fcking with us... With the amount of parity in the NFL, where games are decided by a few bad plays, you think we can prepare 1/2 as much as our opponent each week and expect to split games? Are you saying that preparation isn't really that important if you have a "good" team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKOOBY Posted May 13, 2009 Author Share Posted May 13, 2009 Now you're just fcking with us... With the amount of parity in the NFL, where games are decided by a few bad plays, you think we can prepare 1/2 as much as our opponent each week and expect to split games? Are you saying that preparation isn't really that important if you have a "good" team? Execution is more important than preparation. NFL teams prepare for what they see and the better coaches like Bill B. put a completely different approach on what they run. Adjustments during the game help determine the outcome, along with the talent that we field. Our offense is set to run strong this season, getting good leads against divisional opponents to start the game and playing them hard will raise our chances of making the playoffs. We have the talent to play with just about anyone but our divisional games count like 1.5 games at a time. I know this concept is difficult to grasp but your going to have to think about the stats first & how history has shown a 91% chance of better divisional play equaling success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 If we can take care of our own divisional foes, their difficult schedule will take care of them. Miami has the hardest schedule & NE / NYJ are there as well, so us really beating them needs to be our primary goal. If we can somehow manage to defeat them in the 5 out of 6 games we have to play them, the AFC east is ours (along with a home playoff game). The rest of our schedule will take care of itself. I think the Bills need to start gameplanning literally weeks in advance of our AFC east games & focus on our opponent that week only briefly a few days before. That way when the AFC east game week comes up, we already had a few days of practice in for them and can refresh instead of renew. It may sound crazy but mathematically speaking, we can't win them all. 1990- 7 out of 8 possible wins in the AFC east - Result #1 in the AFC east: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/1990.htm 1991- 7 out of 8 possible wins in the AFC east - Result #1 in the AFC east: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/1991.htm 1992- 6 out of 8 possible wins in the AFC east - Result #2 in the AFC east: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/1992.htm 1993- 7 out of 8 possible wins in the AFC east - Result #1 in the AFC east: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/1993.htm Looking outside the box here, the Bills winning any less than 5 AFC east games will probably give another AFC east team the division title. The goal this year, focus on winning in the division and let the rest take care of itself. Skooby Im guessin your IQ is <100 or >150 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKOOBY Posted May 13, 2009 Author Share Posted May 13, 2009 IQ It's MENSA +. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartshan-83 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Execution is more important than preparation. NFL teams prepare for what they see and the better coaches like Bill B. put a completely different approach on what they run. Adjustments during the game help determine the outcome, along with the talent that we field. Our offense is set to run strong this season, getting good leads against divisional opponents to start the game and playing them hard will raise our chances of making the playoffs. We have the talent to play with just about anyone but our divisional games count like 1.5 games at a time. I know this concept is difficult to grasp but your going to have to think about the stats first. Whaaa? Until we start getting 1.5 wins each time we beat an AFC East team, I'm going to still count them the same as the other 10. Why do we only need 1/2 preparation to split with non-division teams? How about we prepare 'extra hard' for those 10 games, win all of them and then split the division? We go 13-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Is close, it's MENSA +. Has anyone else noticed that people who are actually intelligent rarely mention MENSA? I seriously doubt you have much more than an average IQ, and your claim to a high number reinforces my doubt, as you have been outed as a compulsive liar. But, in the unlikely event your measured IQ is/was high, it is simply further proof that IQ does NOT equal intelligence. You are as obtuse as a 179-degree angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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