Ever Seen a Complete Mismatch of Intellects?

[GG]

WTF? So are telling yourself we have no law saying we have to abide by treaties? Dude get out of here. Now you are just telling lies.

 

The UN convention against torture is not a legally binding law for the US. Nothwithstanding that, an evil administration can easily argue that since waterboarding was not specifically banned and defined as torture under its laws would clearly fall within this caveat in Article 1 of the treaty you just cited:

 

"It [torture] does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions."

 

Reads like a big enough loophole to fly a 747 through.

 

 

Are you talking about their prisoner status? We've covered that here. That is also covered under Geneva convention. Anyone who's status is unknown defaults to a enemy combatant status until a status is decided.

 

Also I listed TWO treaties. You can't just pick one out, tell a lie about it and pat yourself on the back as job well done.

 

No, you linked sources which you believe cover prisoner status. The actual determination is still a bit ambiguous, because foreign terrorists caught in battle outside their country's conflict are still neither fish or fowl in terms of international law. You would figure the kind-hearted folks in Geneva or Brussels would have passed laws clarifying their status in 7 years?

 

Any day now.

[drnykterstein]

The UN convention against torture is not a legally binding law for the US. Nothwithstanding that, an evil administration can easily argue that since waterboarding was not specifically banned and defined as torture under its laws would clearly fall within this caveat in Article 1 of the treaty you just cited:

 

"It [torture] does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions."

 

Reads like a big enough loophole to fly a 747 through.

Since when is waterboarding a lawful sanction? In either case that was not the only thing they did. The bug in the box, sleep deprivation, walling, stress positions, freezing them to hypothermia. I forget the whole list it's not just waterboarding though.

 

 

No, you linked sources which you believe cover prisoner status. The actual determination is still a bit ambiguous, because foreign terrorists caught in battle outside their country's conflict are still neither fish or fowl in terms of international law. You would figure the kind-hearted folks in Geneva or Brussels would have passed laws clarifying their status in 7 years?

 

Any day now.

Well.. you want to go to court and present our cases to a judge and get a decision? Because when it comes down to it, that's all I'm asking for. A fair investigation and fair trial for the Bush folks.

[IDBillzFan]

The bug in the box, sleep deprivation, walling, stress positions, freezing them to hypothermia.

Ahhh, yes, the old "bug in the box" torture trick. Does it every time. Oh, the humanity! When will we ever learn that the key to being a truly great nation is when a man can be in a box alone with no fear of a caterpillar inching it's way around his body. Then, and only then, will be known as a truly great nation. A nation of leaders. A nation of caring, loving, helpful people.

 

And then, once we stop the "bug in the box" treatment, we can take the necessary steps to one day wipe out any seven-year-old boy who has ever gotten pleasure from torturing his older sister by chasing her around the backyard with a frog!

[Chef Jim]

Ahhh, yes, the old "bug in the box" torture trick. Does it every time. Oh, the humanity! When will we ever learn that the key to being a truly great nation is when a man can be in a box alone with no fear of a caterpillar inching it's way around his body. Then, and only then, will be known as a truly great nation. A nation of leaders. A nation of caring, loving, helpful people.

 

And then, once we stop the "bug in the box" treatment, we can take the necessary steps to one day wipe out any seven-year-old boy who has ever gotten pleasure from torturing his older sister by chasing her around the backyard with a frog!

 

I can only think of a scene from The Isle of the Torturers a short story by Clark Ashton Smith. Now I know this is only fiction but this just gives me the willies. A caterpillar...not so much.

 

Anon the drowned and dripping corpses went away; and Fulbra was stripped by the Torturers and was laid supine on the palace floor, with iron rings that bound him closely to the flags at knee and wrist, at elbow and ankle. Then they brought in the disinterred body of a woman, nearly eaten, in which a myriad maggots swarmed on the uncovered bones and tatters of dark corruption; and this body they placed on the right hand of Fulbra. And also they fetched the carrion of a black goat that was newly touched with beginning decay; and they laid it down beside him on the left hand. Then, across Fulbra, from right to left, the hungry maggots crawled in a long and undulant wave...

[Jon in Pasadena]

Anon the drowned and dripping corpses went away; and Fulbra was stripped by the Torturers and was laid supine on the palace floor, with iron rings that bound him closely to the flags at knee and wrist, at elbow and ankle. Then they brought in the disinterred body of a woman, nearly eaten, in which a myriad maggots swarmed on the uncovered bones and tatters of dark corruption; and this body they placed on the right hand of Fulbra. And also they fetched the carrion of a black goat that was newly touched with beginning decay; and they laid it down beside him on the left hand. Then, across Fulbra, from right to left, the hungry maggots crawled in a long and undulant wave...

 

Sounds surprisingly similar to my high school camping trip to Missouri.

 

Now that was a torture-fest.