Steely Dan Posted May 3, 2009 Posted May 3, 2009 Great article. Linkage "What I noticed at the Senior Bowl was he competed in the run game," said Bills tight ends coach Charlie Coiner. "That was a rare feat for tight ends coming out this year. There were maybe five or six that really competed in the run game. He was one of them. He didn't win every battle because of his size and [lack of] strength right now. But he competed and that was enough based on his athletic ability in the pass game." "I'm willing to buy into that," said Nelson. "I'm always trying to work and get better to improve my blocking skills. ... I love working at blocking. It's something I want to improve on."
Bleed Bills Blue Posted May 3, 2009 Posted May 3, 2009 See, it's stuff like this that once again renews my hope and gets me excited for the coming year(s)...I should know better by now. Thanks for nothing, Steely!
Speedy G Posted May 3, 2009 Posted May 3, 2009 Agreed, even though he's raw as a blocker, ya gotta love his attitude and willingness to improve.
VOR Posted May 3, 2009 Posted May 3, 2009 Blocking can be taught. Being 6'5" and 243#, running a 4.52, and having great hands, cannot.
stuckincincy Posted May 3, 2009 Posted May 3, 2009 Great article. Linkage "What I noticed at the Senior Bowl was he competed in the run game," said Bills tight ends coach Charlie Coiner. "That was a rare feat for tight ends coming out this year. There were maybe five or six that really competed in the run game. He was one of them. He didn't win every battle because of his size and [lack of] strength right now. "What I noticed at the Senior Bowl was he competed in the run game," said Bills tight ends coach Charlie Coiner. "I'm willing to buy into that," said Nelson. "I'm always trying to work and get better to improve my blocking skills. ... I love working at blocking. It's something I want to improve on." That, or the coaches at the Senior Bowl told him to keep his hands to himself, be quiet, and try to not to get in other peoples' way... Were I his HC, this Coiner fellow would be in my office for a discussion - pronto.
VOR Posted May 3, 2009 Posted May 3, 2009 That, or the coaches at the Senior Bowl told him to keep his hands to himself, be quiet, and try to not to get in other peoples' way... Were I his HC, this Coiner fellow would would be in my office for a discussion - pronto. Huh?
stuckincincy Posted May 3, 2009 Posted May 3, 2009 Huh? One... "He didn't win every battle because of his size and [lack of] strength right now. But he competed and that was enough based on his athletic ability in the pass game." May as well send an e-mail to the competition that we have a project on our hands...Oh, and by the way, think of him more as a receiver. When he's in, look for a pass. Two... This person is the position coach. Who should protect his new little chicks, not let them wander off to peep to the eager ears of the press to corraberate: "I'm willing to buy into that," said Nelson. "I'm always trying to work and get better to improve my blocking skills. ... I love working at blocking. It's something I want to improve on."
VOR Posted May 3, 2009 Posted May 3, 2009 One... "He didn't win every battle because of his size and [lack of] strength right now. But he competed and that was enough based on his athletic ability in the pass game." May as well send an e-mail to the competition that we have a project on our hands...Oh, and by the way, think of him more as a receiver. When he's in, look for a pass. Two... This person is the position coach. Who should protect his new little chicks, not let them wander into the eager hands of the press to corraberate: "I'm willing to buy into that," said Nelson. "I'm always trying to work and get better to improve my blocking skills. ... I love working at blocking. It's something I want to improve on." I don't think it's any secret that Nelson isn't a great blocker right now. Most of the TE's in the draft aren't. I doubt the Bills start him at TE (i.e. in 1-TE sets) this year, and instead use him in 2-TE sets.
PushthePile Posted May 3, 2009 Posted May 3, 2009 Blocking can be taught. Being 6'5" and 243#, running a 4.52, and having great hands, cannot. I hear what your saying VOR, but you can't just assume he will become a decent blocker. Blocking itself, is a skill set that is not always just rewarded on effort. Some players are naturally better at blocking. Just like some are naturally more gifted at catching. I often read posts that overlook the importance of blocking at the TE, WR, and RB positions. It's easy to say grab this guy and just school him up on blocking. You never hear, grab this guy and school him up on recieving. Not much different, IMO. That's not to say that Nelson won't ever become a good blocking TE. Players strengthen their abilities all the time and he seems to recognize the fact he will need to block in this offense. If blocking was such a simple skill to teach, why does the league put such a premium on o-linemen?
VOR Posted May 3, 2009 Posted May 3, 2009 I hear what your saying VOR, but you can't just assume he will become a decent blocker. Blocking itself, is a skill set that is not always just rewarded on effort. Some players are naturally better at blocking. Just like some are naturally more gifted at catching. I often read posts that overlook the importance of blocking at the TE, WR, and RB positions. It's easy to say grab this guy and just school him up on blocking. You never hear, grab this guy and school him up on recieving. Not much different, IMO. That's not to say that Nelson won't ever become a good blocking TE. Players strengthen their abilities all the time and he seems to recognize the fact he will need to block in this offense. If blocking was such a simple skill to teach, why does the league put such a premium on o-linemen? I don't think I'm out of line when I say that Nelson should be able to become a "decent," if not effective, blocker, if he works at it hard enough. I won't however claim that he will become a great/dominant blocker. And OL should be the latter whereas TE's are also receivers. But even if he doesn't become decent or effective, his receiving skills can surely help the Bills. There are a lot of receiving TE's who aren't great blockers who help out their teams.
stuckincincy Posted May 3, 2009 Posted May 3, 2009 I don't think it's any secret that Nelson isn't a great blocker right now. Most of the TE's in the draft aren't. I doubt the Bills start him at TE (i.e. in 1-TE sets) this year, and instead use him in 2-TE sets. That's not the point. The point being you should captain your club like a warship on the main, keeping your own evaluations of your capabilities to yourself, and let your foes and observers speculate as much as they like, based on whatever they like. It's a philosophy.
Original Byrd Man Posted May 3, 2009 Posted May 3, 2009 That's not the point. The point being you should captain your club like a warship on the main, keeping your own evaluations of your capabilities to yourself, and let your foes and observers speculate as much as they like, based on whatever they like. It's a philosophy. Aye mate. Me thinks ye hit the cask of rum a might to heavy today.
stuckincincy Posted May 3, 2009 Posted May 3, 2009 Aye mate. Me thinks ye hit the cask of rum a might to heavy today. It's grog, lubber.
PushthePile Posted May 3, 2009 Posted May 3, 2009 I don't think I'm out of line when I say that Nelson should be able to become a "decent," if not effective, blocker, if he works at it hard enough. I won't however claim that he will become a great/dominant blocker. And OL should be the latter whereas TE's are also receivers. But even if he doesn't become decent or effective, his receiving skills can surely help the Bills. There are a lot of receiving TE's who aren't great blockers who help out their teams. I agree with you for the most part. Nelson should be a nice addition to the team. His recieving skills seem to be alot better than what we have seen from the position over the last few years. I don't think it's a stretch that he could become a serviceable blocker, either. I was just responding to your statement that "blocking can be taught'. I just don't think it's that simple. To me, blocking is not an easier skill to just aquire. I don't see much difference in blocking and other skill sets needed to be successful in the NFL. You either have it or you don't. Fortunately, blocking is a basic skill utilized at every level of football. I'm sure he is familiar with the basics and can build on what he knows. It's not like we are asking Levitre to learn how to run routes. If he never learns to be an effective blocker he could still be an effective weapon. To be more than that he needs to be able to block.
TPS Posted May 3, 2009 Posted May 3, 2009 Great article. Linkage "What I noticed at the Senior Bowl was he competed in the run game," said Bills tight ends coach Charlie Coiner. "That was a rare feat for tight ends coming out this year. There were maybe five or six that really competed in the run game. He was one of them. He didn't win every battle because of his size and [lack of] strength right now. But he competed and that was enough based on his athletic ability in the pass game." "I'm willing to buy into that," said Nelson. "I'm always trying to work and get better to improve my blocking skills. ... I love working at blocking. It's something I want to improve on." Excuse me, but where in all of those quotes are the words "great blocker"?
eball Posted May 3, 2009 Posted May 3, 2009 Serious question (I don't know the answer): How are Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates regarded as blockers?
LynchMob23 Posted May 3, 2009 Posted May 3, 2009 But cincy, all 32 teams evaluated Nelson prior to the draft - and one of the reasons he may have fallen was that lack of blocking ability to this point. That's not something that isn't known by the teams; if anything the things that they present to the public are things that may be common knowledge to the NFL at large but may be unknown to the common fan. One more thing - notice that the writer added the "lack of" to the quote, not Coiner.
stuckincincy Posted May 3, 2009 Posted May 3, 2009 But cincy, all 32 teams evaluated Nelson prior to the draft - and one of the reasons he may have fallen was that lack of blocking ability to this point. That's not something that isn't known by the teams; if anything the things that they present to the public are things that may be common knowledge to the NFL at large but may be unknown to the common fan. One more thing - notice that the writer added the "lack of" to the quote, not Coiner. I realize that Nelson's pluses and negatives are common knowledge. Again - my point is that I will not have my coaches adding to or subtracting from common knowledge, such as it may, by who ever perceives it I've expressed this several times. It is a philosophy, a strategy. I can't add anything more.
John from Riverside Posted May 4, 2009 Posted May 4, 2009 That's not the point. The point being you should captain your club like a warship on the main, keeping your own evaluations of your capabilities to yourself, and let your foes and observers speculate as much as they like, based on whatever they like. It's a philosophy. Cinci Did you stop to think that maybe that is exactly what they are doing....perhaps Nelson IS a better blocker then advertised and they are putting out missinformation in the other direction. Just saying.
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