deep2evans Posted May 1, 2009 Posted May 1, 2009 Diamond in the rough? 5 days after the draft? Really?
deep2evans Posted May 1, 2009 Posted May 1, 2009 Anyone think Bobby April is HC material? Absolutely, Bill Cowher started as a top notch special teams coach...
Thurman#1 Posted May 1, 2009 Posted May 1, 2009 He's another interesting piece of data I ran across. These Patriots seem to have a tendency to sign players who never even have played college football. If that's not a good indication of good coaching/system then I don't know what is! I thought we did a fantastic job in developing OT Jason Peters but these guys are taking them right out of the junkpile. http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/43803877.html It's not bad or good yet. Just interesting.
The Dean Posted May 1, 2009 Posted May 1, 2009 He's another interesting piece of data I ran across. These Patriots seem to have a tendency to sign players who never even have played college football. If that's not a good indication of good coaching/system then I don't know what is! I thought we did a fantastic job in developing OT Jason Peters but these guys are taking them right out of the junkpile. http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/43803877.html Out of curiosity, how many players without College experience are on the Pats* roster? How many are regular contributors?
Tipster19 Posted May 1, 2009 Author Posted May 1, 2009 That being said, isn't this topic more appropriate, say, on the Patriots' message board? No, I believe that it firmly belongs on a Bills' board. Diamond in the rough? WTF is that all about? Diamond in the rough? 5 days after the draft? Really? I should have just said a diamond and a successor to Rodney Harrison, that would be really more accurate to what I meant. Ok, this is going to take some time. It started back in Super Bowl XXV. I have always felt that that Super Bowl was won because of the Giants' secondary. I never saw Andre Reed have alligator arms until that game. I give much more credit to Belichick than Parcels for winning that game. Belichick is not only a defensive guru but a secondary specialist. That's why he is able to shuffle in and out so many DBs but he always has a guy that he can count on and that brings the wood. That guy for the last several years has been Rodney Harrison but due to age and injuries he hasn't been as effective as in years past. Say what you want about Belichick but this guy knows football. He eats, sleeps and drinks football. It's in his genes. OK.... this is crap.... the Bills lost b/c they only had the ball 19 minutes and scored 17 points on offense. Reed was virtually mugged and got hammered a lot. Don't recall the alligator arms. There defense was tough but it wasn't some genious plan. Kelly should have ran the ball more and they missed like 3 crucial 3rd down stops. Give Belicheck credit for the Patriots but not for SB 25. Giants had a plan to keep the Bills off the field and they did. Thanks, you make my point for me. The Giants just plain out muscled the Bills, offensively and defensively. Jumbo Elliott did a nice job handling Bruce when he needed to and when Smith did get to Hostetler he didn't knock the ball loose for a TD but instead had to settle for a safety. I'm still in shock that he was able to hang on to that ball. The Giants' DBs hammered Reed and he sure didn't look like he wanted the ball too much as the game wore on. The Giants' defensive gameplan was Belichick's, it was even sent to the HOF. It was rather simple, employ 6 DBs and keep everything in front of them and just let the Bills run. offensively the Giants kept the ball on the ground and made key throws to move the chains. They didn't care if OJ Andersen was tackled for a loss, it kept the clock running. This continues to be one of the single biggest mis-conception among football fans. The Bills had the ball 20 minutes and scored 19 points. They shredded that defense and if Kelly and Levy had run Thurman more that game would have been a blow out. Belichick is a great coach but that wasn't his best moment. See the above response. Shredded the defense??! Although Thurman is a special player a lot of that yardage was allowed. The Giants were not going to let Kelly beat them. Earlier that year Kelly was ready to destroy them in the Meadowlands but he got hurt. The Bills still landed winning that game but in hindsight we paid the price for that victory, the Giants got a good look at the no huddle and were more prepared to play against it in the Super Bowl. If it wasn't Belichick's best moment, then why did his defensive gameplan get ENSHRINED IN THE HALL OF FAME? Look, the Bills played one heck of a game, played good enough to where they could have won it but so did the Giants, they were more physical and wore us down as the game went on.
Tipster19 Posted May 1, 2009 Author Posted May 1, 2009 Out of curiosity, how many players without College experience are on the Pats* roster? How many are regular contributors? Well, off the top of my head the two that I mentioned. Do you want me to research it to see if there is any more?
OCinBuffalo Posted May 1, 2009 Posted May 1, 2009 Along with Lynch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsFHOee7LdI...feature=related A little early to say Chung is a big deal. Especially with vids like this running around. Can he cover Nelson? That's what I want to know.
The Dean Posted May 1, 2009 Posted May 1, 2009 Well, off the top of my head the two that I mentioned. Do you want me to research it to see if there is any more? So, that means there is one player on the Pats* roster who actually plays, and one that was recently signed for a "look see". Remarkable! What a stunning testament to the Pats* that they can find a starting Safety in the 2nd round and sign a UDFA contract with a guy who is a longshot to make the team.
Tipster19 Posted May 1, 2009 Author Posted May 1, 2009 Why is he anointed a diamond in the rough ? Diamond in the rough? WTF is that all about? Diamond in the rough? 5 days after the draft? Really? I just went back and reread my title to this post. I didn't call him a diamond in the rough, you three did. I called him a diamond and I believe he is. So, that means there is one player on the Pats* roster who actually plays, and one that was recently signed for a "look see". Remarkable! What a stunning testament to the Pats* that they can find a starting Safety in the 2nd round and sign a UDFA contract with a guy who is a longshot to make the team. How about starting G Stephen Neal? That makes 3 players. He was mentioned in the second link that I provided. Did you just blow right thru the article and missed it and come out firing like usual?
Nick the Greek Posted May 1, 2009 Posted May 1, 2009 Last year it was LB Jerod Mayo and now this year it's Patrick Chung. I loathe the Patriots but begrudgingly I have to respect them. It's mostly that Belichick, I can't stand him but boy I wish he was our coach. http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr...m_chung/?page=1 He's another interesting piece of data I ran across. These Patriots seem to have a tendency to sign players who never even have played college football. If that's not a good indication of good coaching/system then I don't know what is! I thought we did a fantastic job in developing OT Jason Peters but these guys are taking them right out of the junkpile. http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/43803877.html get off his dick.. the patriots suck
The Dean Posted May 1, 2009 Posted May 1, 2009 How about starting G Stephen Neal? That makes 3 players. He was mentioned in the second link that I provided. Did you just blow right thru the article and missed it and come out firing like usual? Neal, Porter (UDFA) and who else? I read the article and those two are mentioned.
Tipster19 Posted May 1, 2009 Author Posted May 1, 2009 A little early to say Chung is a big deal. Especially with vids like this running around. Can he cover Nelson? That's what I want to know. Nice find. Chung horsecollared Lynch, that's the reason why he got Marshawn to the ground. That kind of tackling won't fly in the NFL.
Tipster19 Posted May 1, 2009 Author Posted May 1, 2009 Neal, Porter (UDFA) and who else? I read the article and those two are mentioned. Nope Dean, you got me. In my defensive cover-up with this onslaught that I'm taking for posting my opinion, I counted Neal twice. I sincerely apologize, you're right and I'm wrong on that point.
The Dean Posted May 1, 2009 Posted May 1, 2009 Nope Dean, you got me. In my defensive cover-up with this onslaught that I'm taking for posting my opinion, I counted Neal twice. I sincerely apologize, you're right and I'm wrong on that point. No problem, Tippy.
Tipster19 Posted May 1, 2009 Author Posted May 1, 2009 get off his dick.. the patriots suck That's intelligent. I'm astonished by your football knowledge.
In space no one can hear Posted May 1, 2009 Posted May 1, 2009 FWIW: Chris Brown mentioned on draft day that the Bills had interest in Patrick Chung.
ChasBB Posted May 1, 2009 Posted May 1, 2009 Absolutely, Bill Cowher started as a top notch special teams coach... If DJ isn't around after this season, I'd like to see April have a go at it.
TC in St. Louis Posted May 1, 2009 Posted May 1, 2009 Hey, every team has a reason for drafting their guys. Patrick Chung is what he is. The guy we picked from Oklahoma has 4.6% body fat, and had a great Senior Bowl. They all look good on paper. Our new tight end looks like a steal too. I think it's too early to give the Pats credit for drafting any individual. I do give them props, however, for somehow having at one point 5 2nd round picks.....they traded out and now have at least 2 in next year's 2nd round. They seem to have a knack for that. As far as the defense in the Giants/Bills super bowl, hey. Listen, if Norwood had made that kick, we'd be whistling a different tune. I don't know how Hostetler held that ball when Bruce had him in the end zone. By the way, that was nearly two decades ago, so at some point we need to move on.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted May 1, 2009 Posted May 1, 2009 With regard to the acceptance that everything the Patriots do is infallible and astute, I'm reminded of Marv Levy's old saying: "Once you get a reputation as an early riser, you can sleep in as much as you want." The Patriots are typically given the benefit of the doubt...even when their moves leave people scratching their heads. The Bills on the other hand, have a reputation as an organization that sleeps in all the time.
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