Trent Edwards

[stuckincincy]

I could care less how many yards he throws for as long as he throws for 2-3 TDs a game. His multiple touchdown games were too few and far between so far in his career. He MUST improve that this season.

 

NO EXCUSES. No "Peters isn't around" or "the O-line is too young" or ANYTHING. He must find the endzone consistently this year. Otherwise, him and DJ can text each other in the unemployment line.

 

 

32 to 48 pass TDs per season. That would be impressive!

[Fingon]

It's a big enough deal where only 6 QBs had 4,000 yards last year.

 

In addition, one QB threw for almost twice as many yards as Edwards.

 

I want Edwards to be good, I just need to see some evidence of it against a defense that isn't ranked in the bottom 10 in the NFL.

We have one of the best WR corps in the NFL, and i don't think its a stretch to say that if Edwards stays healthy he could throw for 4000 yards.

 

 

PS: What does it tell you that 6 QBs are doing what Jim Kelly never did in his career?

[Kelly the Dog]

We have one of the best WR corps in the NFL, and i don't think its a stretch to say that if Edwards stays healthy he could throw for 4000 yards.

 

 

PS: What does it tell you that 6 QBs are doing what Jim Kelly never did in his career?

 

That the Bills and the K-Gun were really a running team built around a great line and Thurman Thomas?

[Fingon]

That the Bills and the K-Gun were really a running team built around a great line and Thurman Thomas?

That's true, but my point is that 4000 yards isn't really an achievement anymore. In fact, I'd say Kelly would have thrown for over 4000 yards multiple times if he played today. The bandit was acting like it was some huge thing.

[DrDawkinstein]

stats!! numbers that nerds can manipulate into proving whatever point they are arguing!!

 

who cares? score touchdowns, win games.

[Lurker]

Who cares. Seems like half the the QB's thowing for 300-yrds are usually on the losing team...

[Swift Sylvan]

I don't think Trent Edwards needs to be a 300 yard a game QB to be successful in my book. As a matter of fact, I'd be more than happy if he breaks 3000 yards. (187.5 yards a game)

 

It's true that we have TO, Lee, and Josh as a very formidable receiving trio, but we need to remember that we play in Buffalo which isn't exactly kind to quarterbacks during the winter. We have to worry about our run game. If we want to succeed we HAVE, HAVE to be able to run 100+ yards a game against any d-line. If we can do that, Edwards will succeed as a QB. He might not be a pro-bowl player, but as some of the other posters stated. Let's win first and worry about who looks pretty doing it second.

[Tcali]

As I look at our offensive weapons, it's hard to not get excited about the explosive possibilities. With TO and Evans on both sides of the field, Reed/Johnson/Parrish should see great open zones. With Nelson, Derek Fine becomes immediately better just by now having the worst coverman on the other team put on him.

 

I admit that I am concerned about out OT situation. But I also agree that, with such a solid interior, the Tackle position becomes less important. Jason Peters was usually left out on an island by himself. This won't be the case with our new O-line. I also believe that our power run game will be much improved which will only open up the passing game more.

 

From that, I have two concerns. Our Offensive Scheme and Trent Edwards.

 

For the Offensive Scheme, there really isn't much we can do about that. Especially if DJ trys to play the game close to the vest and hope for a 4th quarter win. That basically screws us.

 

However, I also have to wonder how much different we all would feel with a Cutler, Favre, Manning's, McNabb. I know that I am listing Pro Bowler's here, but there are all guys who consistently find their way to 300 yard games. I think it's something that some QB's "have" and other don't. I don't have the stats in front of me, but I don't think Trent has even broken this barrier. Between that, and his health issues, my question is, how sold on him are you to lead this offense to it's potential?

no....not on a regular basis...not enough arm strength for that....but if hes in the mid 200s then we should be fine

[DrFishfinder]

As I look at our offensive weapons, it's hard to not get excited about the explosive possibilities. ....

 

snip....

 

Between that, and his health issues, my question is, how sold on him are you to lead this offense to it's potential?

The question should be: "How many points will this offense score per game"? The so-called coaching staff consistently squandered scoring opportunities last season. And the same so-called coaching staff is back, intact, for this season.

[dave mcbride]

Yards are overrated. YPA is where it's at. In Kelly's best season (1990), he threw for only 2,829 yards, but had his career best YPA: 8.2 YPA.

 

In one of Kelly's best playoff performances, he threw for 160 yards ( http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxs...99401230buf.htm ). In one of his worst, he threw for 275 ( http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxs...99201260buf.htm ).

 

That said, Dog's post was spot on.

[Virgil]

I don't care how many yards he gets. What I want to see is Edwards driving the team down the field and getting in the endzone either by run or pass when we get in the red zone.

 

I want to see him get the ball down field to Evans and Owens or whomever and make the other team pay for playing us too close.

 

I want to see him stand in and make plays rather than dump the ball off the half second too quick that he does now.

 

Instead of deciding who he is going to throw to by the way the defense lines up (the way he does it now), I want to see him actually read the defenses and get the ball to his second and third receivers like Reed and Parrish and Nelson when the go to guys aren't open instead of giving up on the play too early.

 

I want to see him take some chances down the field with the athletic players we have even if they are incomplete so the other team doesn't creep up and dare us to throw.

 

I want to see him be smart about taking hits and avoid them when he doesn't need to take them.

 

I want to see him spread the ball around as much as he can and not concentrate on one guy like Owens.

 

I want to see him mature as a leader and not be such a PC nice guy about everything, even if he has to get in Shonert or Evans or Owens or the lineman's face.

 

I want to see him make plays and win games when he has off days and crappy stats.

 

you're needy

[dave mcbride]

That's true, but my point is that 4000 yards isn't really an achievement anymore. In fact, I'd say Kelly would have thrown for over 4000 yards multiple times if he played today. The bandit was acting like it was some huge thing.

Lots of QBs threw for 4000 yards back then - just as many as today. Just look at the league leaders in 1994-95 and the career stats of Warren Moon, Marino, and even Jim Everett. Kelly didn't because the Bills ran the ball a lot. The one year they had 4000 yards was 1991 - Kelly's 3844 plus Reich's 305.

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

I don't like total yards. ANY quarterback could throw for 300 yards a game if they threw the ball on every play.

 

You need to deduce what a quarterback is doing with each passing attempt. You can't do that with total yards. The best stats for QB play are yards per attempt, completion percentage, and TD/INT ratio.

[PromoTheRobot]

This is a pointless thread, as if most posts have a point. I don't play fantasy sports so I could care less about stats. I only care about W's. Trent can throw for 90yds a game if we win 'em all. Besides having 300yds a game is usually a sign that you have a crap run game or that you are paying from behind. Give me a boring 150yds with a W anytime.

 

PTR

[Virgil]

This is a pointless thread, as if most posts have a point. I don't play fantasy sports so I could care less about stats. I only care about W's. Trent can throw for 90yds a game if we win 'em all. Besides having 300yds a game is usually a sign that you have a crap run game or that you are paying from behind. Give me a boring 150yds with a W anytime.

 

PTR

 

While I'm not saying that Stats are the end-all, be-all, I do think that we have more weapons on offense now than Brady had when he broke all those records. The reason I mention stats at all is because I wonder if we have the QB and Offensive Coordinator to produce similar results. I firmly believe that if you put our offense in NE two years ago with Brady and McDaniels, we would get the same result. I'm not saying we should expect records or anything like that, but we should expect something dramatically different over previous seasons.

 

The question is, do you think we can with Trent and the OC?

 

Plus, you can't deny that having that type of offense doesn't make opposing teams plan differently for you and create a different "prestige" about your team.

[WordByrd]

I'm so sick of everyone saying Edwards needs to significantly improve. Last year was his first full year, and he had an 85 QB rating. Watch highlights. The dude was pretty good. He'll be even better.

 

Edwards is just another way for negative Bills haters to bash one more thing that isn't wrong.

[The_Real]

This is a pointless thread, as if most posts have a point. I don't play fantasy sports so I could care less about stats. I only care about W's. Trent can throw for 90yds a game if we win 'em all. Besides having 300yds a game is usually a sign that you have a crap run game or that you are paying from behind. Give me a boring 150yds with a W anytime.

 

PTR

 

Except in Jim Kelly's case. There was a solid run game, defense and Special teams. The response I gave was to the point that Jim didn't consistently get to 300 yards, which is inaccurate and that was the only point I was trying to make. I think it's absolutely insane to compare anything that Jim Kelly did to what Trent is trying to do. They are in no way shape or form the same quarterback and we shouldn't expect the same things.

[The_Real]

I'm so sick of everyone saying Edwards needs to significantly improve. Last year was his first full year, and he had an 85 QB rating. Watch highlights. The dude was pretty good. He'll be even better.

 

Edwards is just another way for negative Bills haters to bash one more thing that isn't wrong.

 

Or...

 

He's inconsistent. There is no question he could develop. There were alot of holes in his game a year ago and he'll need to improve to get beyond 7-9. He had good games last year and for a stretch he was great. Now we need 15-17 games of that level of football and the critics will be silenced. Until that happens, he's fair game.

[Virgil]

I'm so sick of everyone saying Edwards needs to significantly improve. Last year was his first full year, and he had an 85 QB rating. Watch highlights. The dude was pretty good. He'll be even better.

 

Edwards is just another way for negative Bills haters to bash one more thing that isn't wrong.

 

See, I think you looking at this the wrong way. I agree that there are Bills fans out there who will dislike Edwards no matter what he does cause they were either JP fans or whatever. Me personally, I don't care if Hitler is our QB as long as we win. I was all kinds of excited the way he started the season. But the way he played scared the second half and looked just plain lost, I am terrified of that Trent Edwards resurfacing and blowing the potential we have. It goes nothing beyond that for me. I want him to be the guy more than anything else. The idea of having our QB position solved at such a young age would be incredible and he's a very likeable guy.

 

But I can't speak for anyone else

[Magox]

I don't care about yards thrown. What matters is Wins and losses. If I was to look at a stat, I would look at the QB rating, as it shows how effective a QB is when he throws the ball.