2020 Our Year For Sure Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Also, have you ever figured that the Bills have had drive starts that are better than the norm b/c of ST and they don't have to go as far to score. While I agree with your point, I'd be willing to bet money our average field position was bottom half of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHILL Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 While I agree with your point, I'd be willing to bet money our average field position was bottom half of the league. Good point, I remember some really bad games where field position was consistently poor. if you look up the stat let me know. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 While I agree with your point, I'd be willing to bet money our average field position was bottom half of the league. I doubt that given our return game, which was near or at the top of the league in both KO and punt returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I doubt that given our return game, which was near or at the top of the league in both KO and punt returns. We didn't get many turnovers, though. Thats what brings the average up the most. And our defense has a habit of giving up yards even when they don't allow points, which explains why I remember the O being pinned back often. Just an eyeball test thing though, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 We didn't get many turnovers, though. Thats what brings the average up the most. And our defense has a habit of giving up yards even when they don't allow points, which explains why I remember the O being pinned back often. Just an eyeball test thing though, of course. After a little research, it appears that the Bills had the best drive start position average in the NFL in 2008. You have to scroll down a bit to get to it. http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...38f0fd2.html?nl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Kelly had also played two years of pro ball by then though. the usfl was pro ball in the same sense that a preseason game is an nfl game, technically true but.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 After a little research, it appears that the Bills had the best drive start position average in the NFL in 2008. You have to scroll down a bit to get to it.http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...38f0fd2.html?nl Thanks for the link. As he is a little light on the labeling, I wonder if that includes all drive starts (including turnovers) or is limited to ST drive starts. Either way, it is pretty impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 After a little research, it appears that the Bills had the best drive start position average in the NFL in 2008. You have to scroll down a bit to get to it.http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...38f0fd2.html?nl Good find, Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 the usfl was pro ball in the same sense that a preseason game is an nfl game, technically true but.... It really had little in common with a preseason game, as these teams were hitting hard and playing their best players the entire game, with the goal was winning. Many of the players might have been at the talent level of a preseason game's third quarter, but the comparison ends there. At that time, the USFL had some mighty fine football players, too, if you remember. I'd compare it to the early days of the AFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Good find, Dave. Thanks! Like Dean said, though, it's a little vague. I have to figure it indicates *something*, though - I remember a lot of Bills kickoff returns that ended up between the 40s. That's not something I saw much for other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Thanks for the link. As he is a little light on the labeling, I wonder if that includes all drive starts (including turnovers) or is limited to ST drive starts. Either way, it is pretty impressive. I would assume it is all drives, but surely having Roscoe and Leodis helped that stat immeasurably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 the usfl was pro ball in the same sense that a preseason game is an nfl game, technically true but.... There was some decent football played in the USFL. But the main advantage was having a pro style coach, Mouse Davis, letting him throw wild, and more importantly, the two years of maturing that your body and football mind advances from say 22-24. That helps a lot. Three years out of college is a huge difference from one year out of college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Between that, and his health issues, my question is, how sold on him are you to lead this offense to it's potential? If he's healthy....I like him from sept-nov....scared to death of him in december and the cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordByrd Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 If he's healthy....I like him from sept-nov....scared to death of him in december and the cold. Yeah he looked terrible in the cold vs. Denver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordByrd Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Come on Magox...even you have to admit his post was absurd...he claimed Trent was "very good" last year and does NOT need to improve...come on, even you know that is hog wash... Never said that. Don't quote something I didn't say, 'cause that's not a quote. I said he is "pretty good", which he is for a guy who has so few starts under his belt. He shows all of the things great QB's have (leadership, arm accuracy and strength, ability to manage the game), but his problem right now is consistency. Everyone knows consistency is fixable and comes with experience. JP Losman never showed game management ability, leadership, or accuracy. That's how I knew the guy would fail all along. Trent Edwards has all of the physical and mental tools to be a great QB, and time will bring consistency. Also, I never said he "does NOT need to improve". Even TB and PM have room for improvement. I know Trent has much room for improvement, I've just had enough of everyone ripping on the guy. Gotta love people putting "words in my mouth". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Never said that. Don't quote something I didn't say, 'cause that's not a quote. I said he is "pretty good", which he is for a guy who has so few starts under his belt. He shows all of the things great QB's have (leadership, arm accuracy and strength, ability to manage the game), but his problem right now is consistency. Everyone knows consistency is fixable and comes with experience. JP Losman never showed game management ability, leadership, or accuracy. That's how I knew the guy would fail all along. Trent Edwards has all of the physical and mental tools to be a great QB, and time will bring consistency. Also, I never said he "does NOT need to improve". Even TB and PM have room for improvement. I know Trent has much room for improvement, I've just had enough of everyone ripping on the guy. Gotta love people putting "words in my mouth". TE does not have all the physical tools to be a great QB. He is relatively unathletic and has an average arm(Im being generous there). He does have extraordinary cool in the pocket--which is rare among any QB--so I believe in the guy somewhat. He lacks killer instinct to finish drives and he is injury prone. The jury is out. I am optimistic because for a young QB he doesn't get rattled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 TE does not have all the physical tools to be a great QB. He is relatively unathletic and has an average arm(Im being generous there). He does have extraordinary cool in the pocket--which is rare among any QB--so I believe in the guy somewhat. He lacks killer instinct to finish drives and he is injury prone.The jury is out. I am optimistic because for a young QB he doesn't get rattled. See Brady, Tom. And I'm sure all top 5 high school Qbs (as Trent was) are just recruited by college powerhouses because they are just "cool" in the pocket. They rarely have any physical tools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordByrd Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Watch the first half of this video, and check out these throws. They prove he has the arm, it's still just the consistency issue. please see :39, :47, 1:20, 1:40, 2:40, 2:45. Watch all of the highlights from the first half, but I think those show he can make the throws. Note: not my video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 There was some decent football played in the USFL. But the main advantage was having a pro style coach, Mouse Davis, letting him throw wild, and more importantly, the two years of maturing that your body and football mind advances from say 22-24. That helps a lot. Three years out of college is a huge difference from one year out of college. Kelly was fun to watch in that run and shoot offense. He learned and awful lot about coverages but, by the same token, the run and shoot retarded his maturation as an NFL QB to a certain degree. That said, he was FAR better off for his pro ball experience in the USFL. There were many good/great players that made the jump to the NFL and starred. Kent Hull, anyone? GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Kelly was fun to watch in that run and shoot offense. He learned and awful lot about coverages but, by the same token, the run and shoot retarded his maturation as an NFL QB to a certain degree. That said, he was FAR better off for his pro ball experience in the USFL. There were many good/great players that made the jump to the NFL and starred. Kent Hull, anyone? GO BILLS!!! I'm not sure how much it retarded his maturation as an NFL QB but I would be interested in your explanation of what you meant. One of the most amazing things to me about Kelly over his entire career was for a guy with a huge ego, a cannon for an arm, a bunch of good fast receivers, and free reign calling plays, he sure called an awful lot of runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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