Review of drafts past

[Leonidas]

They say it takes 2-3 years before you can really determine if a draft was any good, so I thought I'd go back and see what people thought in retrospect about prior drafts.

 

 

Three years ago ('06):

1 (8) - Donte Whitner, S

1 (26) - John McCargo, DT

3 (70) - Ashton Youboty, CB

4 (105) - Ko Simpson, S

5 (134) - Kyle Williams, DT

5 (143) - Brad Butler, OL

6 (178) - Keith Ellison, LB

7 (216) - Terrance Pennington, OT

7 (248) - Aaron Merz, G

 

 

Two years ago ('07)

1 (12) - Marshawn Lynch, RB

2 (34) - Paul Posluszny, LB

3 (92) - Trent Edwards, QB

4 (111) - Dwayne Wright, RB

6 (184) - John Wendling, S

7 (222) - Derek Schouman, TE

7 (239) - C.J. Ah You, DE

 

 

Go ahead, grade away.

[WordByrd]

Three years ago ('06):

1 (8) - Donte Whitner, S-- B+

1 (26) - John McCargo, DT-- D

3 (70) - Ashton Youboty, CB-- B-

4 (105) - Ko Simpson, S-- C-

5 (134) - Kyle Williams, DT-- B

5 (143) - Brad Butler, OL-- A-

6 (178) - Keith Ellison, LB-- B-

7 (216) - Terrance Pennington, OT-- D

7 (248) - Aaron Merz, G-- Who?

 

 

Two years ago ('07)

1 (12) - Marshawn Lynch, RB-- A

2 (34) - Paul Posluszny, LB-- A-

3 (92) - Trent Edwards, QB-- A

4 (111) - Dwayne Wright, RB-- F

6 (184) - John Wendling, S-- D+

7 (222) - Derek Schouman, TE-- B

7 (239) - C.J. Ah You, DE-- F

 

 

Go ahead, grade away.

[bartshan-83]

I assume we are taking into account where they were drafted and what we gave up? Like getting a good backup in the 6th would be higher than the same player in the 4th?

 

Three years ago ('06):

1 (8) - Donte Whitner, S-- B

1 (26) - John McCargo, DT-- F

3 (70) - Ashton Youboty, CB-- B-

4 (105) - Ko Simpson, S-- C-

5 (134) - Kyle Williams, DT-- A-

5 (143) - Brad Butler, OL-- A-

6 (178) - Keith Ellison, LB-- B-

7 (216) - Terrance Pennington, OT-- D

7 (248) - Aaron Merz, G-- C

 

Overall: C+

 

Two years ago ('07)

1 (12) - Marshawn Lynch, RB-- B+

2 (34) - Paul Posluszny, LB-- B

3 (92) - Trent Edwards, QB-- A-

4 (111) - Dwayne Wright, RB-- F

6 (184) - John Wendling, S-- C

7 (222) - Derek Schouman, TE-- B

7 (239) - C.J. Ah You, DE-- F

 

Overall: B+

[deep2evans]

C for 2006 (depends on Whitner and Butler)

 

B+ for 2007 (could range from A+ to C)

[Leonidas]

I sort of meant the draft as a whole, but whatever...

[Poeticlaw]

They say it takes 2-3 years before you can really determine if a draft was any good, so I thought I'd go back and see what people thought in retrospect about prior drafts.

Go ahead, grade away.

 

 

Three years ago ('06):

1 (8) - Donte Whitner, S B-

1 (26) - John McCargo, DT D-

3 (70) - Ashton Youboty, CB D+

4 (105) - Ko Simpson, S C

5 (134) - Kyle Williams, DT C+

5 (143) - Brad Butler, OL B-

6 (178) - Keith Ellison, LB B-

7 (216) - Terrance Pennington, OT F

7 (248) - Aaron Merz, G F

Overall C

 

Two years ago ('07)

1 (12) - Marshawn Lynch, RB A-

2 (34) - Paul Posluszny, LB B+

3 (92) - Trent Edwards, QB C-

4 (111) - Dwayne Wright, RB F

6 (184) - John Wendling, S C

7 (222) - Derek Schouman, TE C

7 (239) - C.J. Ah You, DE F

 

Overall C

[The Big Cat]

They say it takes 2-3 years before you can really determine if a draft was any good, so I thought I'd go back and see what people thought in retrospect about prior drafts.

 

 

Three years ago ('06):

1 (8) - Donte Whitner, S B+ (Starter, quality starter, high pick)

1 (26) - John McCargo, DT C- (On again off again contributor, high pick)

3 (70) - Ashton Youboty, CB B (On again off again contributor, held back by injuries, reasonable pick)

4 (105) - Ko Simpson, S B (Starter, limited by injuries, reasonable pick)

5 (134) - Kyle Williams, DT A- (starter, quality starter, budget pick)

5 (143) - Brad Butler, OL A (starter, quality starter, budget pick)

6 (178) - Keith Ellison, LB B- (on again off again starter, limited by injuries, budget pick)

7 (216) - Terrance Pennington, OT C+ (one time starter, filled in during time of need, since been cut, budget pick)

7 (248) - Aaron Merz, G C- (budget pick, a "I told you so" for everyone who wanted OL depth instead of best players this year with our 6th and 7ths)

 

2006 Overall: B/B- (2.81)

 

Two years ago ('07)

1 (12) - Marshawn Lynch, RB B+ (starter, quality starter, high pick)

2 (34) - Paul Posluszny, LB B (starter, quality starter, limited by injuries, high pick)

3 (92) - Trent Edwards, QB A- (starter, quality starter, reasonable pick)

4 (111) - Dwayne Wright, RB D (part-time contributor, reasonable pick, no longer on team)

6 (184) - John Wendling, S B (ST contributor, budget pick)

7 (222) - Derek Schouman, TE B (on again off again contributor, ST contributor, budget pick)

7 (239) - C.J. Ah You, DE D (never played, budget pick)

 

2007 Overall: B-/C+ (2.57) 6 quality picks, 2 duds. Overall GPA is KILLED by the duds, on a weighted scale: B/B+ (3.2)

 

Go ahead, grade away.

 

 

So far a solid "B" for the post-Donahoe era.

[Poeticlaw]

I assume we are taking into account where they were drafted and what we gave up? Like getting a good backup in the 6th would be higher than the same player in the 4th?

 

Three years ago ('06):

1 (8) - Donte Whitner, S-- B

1 (26) - John McCargo, DT-- F

3 (70) - Ashton Youboty, CB-- B-

4 (105) - Ko Simpson, S-- C-

5 (134) - Kyle Williams, DT-- A-

5 (143) - Brad Butler, OL-- A-

6 (178) - Keith Ellison, LB-- B-

7 (216) - Terrance Pennington, OT-- D

7 (248) - Aaron Merz, G-- C

 

Overall: C+

 

Two years ago ('07)

1 (12) - Marshawn Lynch, RB-- B+

2 (34) - Paul Posluszny, LB-- B

3 (92) - Trent Edwards, QB-- A-

4 (111) - Dwayne Wright, RB-- F

6 (184) - John Wendling, S-- C

7 (222) - Derek Schouman, TE-- B

7 (239) - C.J. Ah You, DE-- F

 

Overall: B+

 

Trying to understand your math but your second one is a C+ not a B+ thats essentailly using the following to come up with an average

A+=100

A=95

A-=90

B+=89

B=85

B-=80

C+=79

C=75

C-=70

D+=69

D=65

D-=60

F=59

EaTwo years ago ('07)

1 (12) - Marshawn Lynch, RB-- B+ 89

2 (34) - Paul Posluszny, LB-- B 85

3 (92) - Trent Edwards, QB-- A- 90

4 (111) - Dwayne Wright, RB-- F 59

6 (184) - John Wendling, S-- C 75

7 (222) - Derek Schouman, TE-- B 85

7 (239) - C.J. Ah You, DE-- F 59

77.42857143

ch individual grade is subjective but the overall grade is a Mathmatical average your average =77

[deep2evans]

Trying to understand your math but your second one is a C+ not a B+ thats essentailly using the following to come up with an average

A+=100

A=95

A-=90

B+=89

B=85

B-=80

C+=79

C=75

C-=70

D+=69

D=65

D-=60

F=59

EaTwo years ago ('07)

1 (12) - Marshawn Lynch, RB-- B+ 89

2 (34) - Paul Posluszny, LB-- B 85

3 (92) - Trent Edwards, QB-- A- 90

4 (111) - Dwayne Wright, RB-- F 59

6 (184) - John Wendling, S-- C 75

7 (222) - Derek Schouman, TE-- B 85

7 (239) - C.J. Ah You, DE-- F 59

77.42857143

ch individual grade is subjective but the overall grade is a Mathmatical average your average =77

 

OK John Nash, chill out. Drafts always should be weighted to consider the importance of the first 3 rounds. If you draft a starter on Day 2, that's just gravy.

[Leonidas]

Three years ago ('06):

1 (8) - Donte Whitner, S B-

1 (26) - John McCargo, DT D-

3 (70) - Ashton Youboty, CB D+

4 (105) - Ko Simpson, S C

5 (134) - Kyle Williams, DT C+

5 (143) - Brad Butler, OL B-

6 (178) - Keith Ellison, LB B-

7 (216) - Terrance Pennington, OT F

7 (248) - Aaron Merz, G F

Overall C

 

Two years ago ('07)

1 (12) - Marshawn Lynch, RB A-

2 (34) - Paul Posluszny, LB B+

3 (92) - Trent Edwards, QB C-

4 (111) - Dwayne Wright, RB F

6 (184) - John Wendling, S C

7 (222) - Derek Schouman, TE C

7 (239) - C.J. Ah You, DE F

 

Overall C

 

C- for a third round QB that's to this point out-performed all the other QB's from that draft class? Harsh.

[The Big Cat]

FWIW, I don't think any day 2 pick should be considered a "failure."

 

So far the only "failure" I'll entertain is McCargo. In checking some of your lists then going back to mine, knowing he was the second guy I evaluated as I went down the line, I now think I was far too lenient with my C-.

[bartshan-83]

Trying to understand your math but your second one is a C+ not a B+ thats essentailly using the following to come up with an average

I didn't do it mathematically....I did the individual grades and then just gave a gut feeling grade for the overall.

[bartshan-83]

FWIW, I don't think any day 2 pick should be considered a "failure."

I see your point, but I'd say a 4th rounder who contributes nothing his rookie year and is then released to make room for another rookie next year is kind of a failure...

[MattM]

Laugh at me all you want, but go back and look at the Pats* drafts those two years and you'll see that we actually drafted better than they did in that stretch. Mayo is the only really good player (a bit debatable after one year, but giving him the benefit of the doubt here) they've selected in the last three years of the draft (aside from Gostkowski maybe).....

[Poeticlaw]

FWIW, I don't think any day 2 pick should be considered a "failure."

 

So far the only "failure" I'll entertain is McCargo. In checking some of your lists then going back to mine, knowing he was the second guy I evaluated as I went down the line, I now think I was far too lenient with my C-.

 

Illl agree but i put the limit to the end of the 4th round anything. I beleive you can get string contributors in the 4th round but start falling going in to the 5th and later rounds because after that is either depth anyway or potential cuts depending on the needs of the teams. Unfornuately those guys that fall after the 5th never seem to get resurrected because noone has really gotten to see them play unless injuries plaqued a team or the coaches liked what they saw in practice IE Brady who was orignally slotted as a 3rd stringer but proved to be more talented then the second stringer and went on to be more talented then their first stringer so you never do know.

[bills_fan]

Three years ago ('06):

1 (8) - Donte Whitner, S - B

1 (26) - John McCargo, DT - D-

3 (70) - Ashton Youboty, CB - C

4 (105) - Ko Simpson, S - D

5 (134) - Kyle Williams, DT - B+

5 (143) - Brad Butler, OL - A-

6 (178) - Keith Ellison, LB - B

7 (216) - Terrance Pennington, OT - F

7 (248) - Aaron Merz, G - F

 

 

Two years ago ('07)

1 (12) - Marshawn Lynch, RB - A-

2 (34) - Paul Posluszny, LB - C

3 (92) - Trent Edwards, QB - B-

4 (111) - Dwayne Wright, RB - F

6 (184) - John Wendling, S - B-

7 (222) - Derek Schouman, TE - C-

7 (239) - C.J. Ah You, DE - F

[My Friends Call Me Tebucky]

Pretty good in terms of depth players, but overall so far I don't see how you can give them anything better than a C.

 

In the first two rounds, where you hope to find impact players, they've grabbed a couple of solid (average) NFL starters in Poz and Whitner (at #8 overall-ugh), a running back that is good but hasn't proven to be great at a position where players are almost dime a dozen these days, and a likely bust at defensive tackle.

[The Big Cat]

I see your point, but I'd say a 4th rounder who contributes nothing his rookie year and is then released to make room for another rookie next year is kind of a failure...

 

Yeah, you're talking about Dwayne Wright. Wasn't he--like Oman--a Ralph pick?

 

Both were drafted when we had RB depth. Either they were Ralph picks and just totally retarded, or they were the highest value/upside on the board, and brought in for competition. Competition is always good to have at RB.

 

Laugh at me all you want, but go back and look at the Pats* drafts those two years and you'll see that we actually drafted better than they did in that stretch. Mayo is the only really good player (a bit debatable after one year, but giving him the benefit of the doubt here) they've selected in the last three years of the draft (aside from Gostkowski maybe).....

 

That's the benefit of being a competitive team with solid, veteran depth: draft intangibles. No risk. Unlimited reward.

 

Illl agree but i put the limit to the end of the 4th round anything. I beleive you can get string contributors in the 4th round but start falling going in to the 5th and later rounds because after that is either depth anyway or potential cuts depending on the needs of the teams. Unfornuately those guys that fall after the 5th never seem to get resurrected because noone has really gotten to see them play unless injuries plaqued a team or the coaches liked what they saw in practice IE Brady who was orignally slotted as a 3rd stringer but proved to be more talented then the second stringer and went on to be more talented then their first stringer so you never do know.

 

I see your point.

[The Big Cat]

Three years ago ('06):

1 (8) - Donte Whitner, S - B

1 (26) - John McCargo, DT - D-

3 (70) - Ashton Youboty, CB - C

4 (105) - Ko Simpson, S - D

5 (134) - Kyle Williams, DT - B+

5 (143) - Brad Butler, OL - A-

6 (178) - Keith Ellison, LB - B

7 (216) - Terrance Pennington, OT - F

7 (248) - Aaron Merz, G - F

 

 

Two years ago ('07)

1 (12) - Marshawn Lynch, RB - A-

2 (34) - Paul Posluszny, LB - C

3 (92) - Trent Edwards, QB - B-

4 (111) - Dwayne Wright, RB - F

6 (184) - John Wendling, S - B-

7 (222) - Derek Schouman, TE - C-

7 (239) - C.J. Ah You, DE - F

 

How can Pennington get an F??

 

I know he was weak sauce and we cut him once we could, but he was taken in the 7th round and was like a five game non-liability rookie starter at RT when Peters moved to LT.

[bills_fan]

How can Pennington get an F??

 

I know he was weak sauce and we cut him once we could, but he was taken in the 7th round and was like a five game non-liability rookie starter at RT when Peters moved to LT.

 

 

Anyone who does not work out ends up as an "F." If Pennington was even remotely decent, the Bills would not have cut him after 7 games or another NFL team would have picked him up.

 

Teams do find useful players in the 7th round, especially special teamers. We have not done that in the 7th round in the two drafts you mentioned.