TOTUS messes with obama.

[Gene Frenkle]

It matters that he can't make a complete sentence without either.

Much fun was made of Bush, Obama is worse.

So it's about getting revenge for W. "Nuclar" Bush?

[IDBillzFan]

So it's about getting revenge for W. "Nuclar" Bush?

It may be that way for some, and we both know many lefties have had plenty of good laughs about Bush's enunciation of certain words. The issue with Obama is not that he butchers words, but rather that the very moment you take him off his script, he has a painful time trying to complete a full sentence. I don't think the problem is that he can't complete a full sentence; it's that he's SO used to reading off a script that the moment the script is gone, his brain forgets to think for itself, so he stammers a lot, and gives plenty of "uhhhhs" while his brain tries to remember that sometimes it needs to work on its own.

 

You can love this man and obey his every thought, but if you can't see how helpless he is without being told what to say, then you may want to pull the nose back slowly from the anal crevice so you see things more clearly.

 

Did you hear the audio of this? Why do you think everyone was laughing when he lost his place? Because they know what's being said about the teleprompter, and events like this just make it more true. Listen to the laughter. The teleprompter is Obama's "nuclar" and will be a running joke long after we recover from the double-digit inflation he's driving us toward.

[Gene Frenkle]

It may be that way for some, and we both know many lefties have had plenty of good laughs about Bush's enunciation of certain words. The issue with Obama is not that he butchers words, but rather that the very moment you take him off his script, he has a painful time trying to complete a full sentence. I don't think the problem is that he can't complete a full sentence; it's that he's SO used to reading off a script that the moment the script is gone, his brain forgets to think for itself, so he stammers a lot, and gives plenty of "uhhhhs" while his brain tries to remember that sometimes it needs to work on its own.

 

You can love this man and obey his every thought, but if you can't see how helpless he is without being told what to say, then you may want to pull the nose back slowly from the anal crevice so you see things more clearly.

 

Did you hear the audio of this? Why do you think everyone was laughing when he lost his place? Because they know what's being said about the teleprompter, and events like this just make it more true. Listen to the laughter. The teleprompter is Obama's "nuclar" and will be a running joke long after we recover from the double-digit inflation he's driving us toward.

In truth, with Bush, I cringed before I laughed. We were not well represented there (or maybe we were).

 

Personally, I neither love nor worship Obama. I simply think that he is a good man for this particular job at this particular time. Whatever. His teleprompter issues remind me of how screwed I'd be without my cell phone. I used to know a lot of phone numbers, but now I have this very convenient crutch that stores all of the numbers I need. Take that away, and I'm going to have issues. It just doesn't matter enough to even think about for any length of time. It's just funny to watch the wackos twist and turn trying to find something to rag on the guy about. This is the best they can do. Ok.

[BillsFan-4-Ever]

In truth, with Bush, I cringed before I laughed.

Agreed 100% followed by what a frakking idiot.

 

 

It matters that he can't make a complete sentence without either.

Much fun was made of Bush, Obama is worse.

Your bias/hatered is blinding you.

 

I have seen Obama speek freely and comfortably and I have seen him stumble through some issues.

 

addressing Nuclear weapons, Bush always said "new - q- lar" addressing College students - dudes and dudesses

 

I wanted a Commander in Chief not a Clown in Action.

[IDBillzFan]

It's just funny to watch the wackos twist and turn trying to find something to rag on the guy about. This is the best they can do. Ok.

You say that like the leftists didn't do the exact same thing with Bush. You really need to stop thinking that somehow, magically, the right has introduced this new and incredibly childish intolerance of the president's every move. Bush has been gone for three months and the left STILL exhibits an intolerance of him.

 

Look at Connor. He has suddenly decided that the Bush administration is somehow responsible for the swine flu. I suspect he's one of those people who attends a Bills game in Gillette Stadium and spends the first three quarters telling the Patrtiot* fans how much their teams sucks.

[Gene Frenkle]

You say that like the leftists didn't do the exact same thing with Bush. You really need to stop thinking that somehow, magically, the right has introduced this new and incredibly childish intolerance of the president's every move. Bush has been gone for three months and the left STILL exhibits an intolerance of him.

 

Look at Connor. He has suddenly decided that the Bush administration is somehow responsible for the swine flu. I suspect he's one of those people who attends a Bills game in Gillette Stadium and spends the first three quarters telling the Patrtiot* fans how much their teams sucks.

You're probably right - I'm trying to become more objective. Their objections and protests are just not making ANY sense. They don't have a legitimate leg to stand on after the past 8 years, but that's my view. I'm sure you disagree.

 

NFL allegiance, political affiliation and religion are three sides of the same coin as far as I can tell.

[BillsFan-4-Ever]

What don't you get about us "leftists" ragging on Bush?

 

We SUFFERED through Bush for TWO full terms. We've seen his plans FAIL.

 

What have you seen fail in 100 days?

 

And DO NOT include shi+ that was falling apart before Obama was elected.

[IDBillzFan]

What don't you get about us "leftists" ragging on Bush?

 

We SUFFERED through Bush for TWO full terms. We've seen his plans FAIL.

 

What have you seen fail in 100 days?

 

And DO NOT include shi+ that was falling apart before Obama was elected.

I bring up the leftists ragging on Bush for the sake of the people who have a short memory when they hear people on the right ragging on Obama. Please either try to follow the discussion or stop contributing to it.

 

And to help you with the other issues you seem to be having: sometimes you don't need to wait for a policy to fail in order to see that is has a high likelihood of failing. That's the beauty of the first 100 days. There is no real, documented failure because nothing has had a chance to take root yet. The first 100 days of ANY presidency is nothing more than a chance to point at things you haven't done yet and and talk about all the things you've done. It's like creating a list of things you've just finished doing with your day just so you can feel good about crossing them out.

 

And look...I understand your need to yell at the right for the sake of yelling, but seriously...is there any way you can contribute beyond asking rhetorical questions followed immediately by poisoning the well. I understand that works well when you're a college freshman, but most of the people here are not first-year college students, okay? Think for yourself. Have an opinion that is your own. Try it. Just try it.

[Chef Jim]

In truth, with Bush, I cringed before I laughed. We were not well represented there (or maybe we were).

 

Personally, I neither love nor worship Obama. I simply think that he is a good man for this particular job at this particular time. Whatever. His teleprompter issues remind me of how screwed I'd be without my cell phone. I used to know a lot of phone numbers, but now I have this very convenient crutch that stores all of the numbers I need. Take that away, and I'm going to have issues. It just doesn't matter enough to even think about for any length of time. It's just funny to watch the wackos twist and turn trying to find something to rag on the guy about. This is the best they can do. Ok.

 

I didn't laugh at this stuff either.

[Kelly the Dog]

It may be that way for some, and we both know many lefties have had plenty of good laughs about Bush's enunciation of certain words. The issue with Obama is not that he butchers words, but rather that the very moment you take him off his script, he has a painful time trying to complete a full sentence. I don't think the problem is that he can't complete a full sentence; it's that he's SO used to reading off a script that the moment the script is gone, his brain forgets to think for itself, so he stammers a lot, and gives plenty of "uhhhhs" while his brain tries to remember that sometimes it needs to work on its own.

 

You can love this man and obey his every thought, but if you can't see how helpless he is without being told what to say, then you may want to pull the nose back slowly from the anal crevice so you see things more clearly.

 

Did you hear the audio of this? Why do you think everyone was laughing when he lost his place? Because they know what's being said about the teleprompter, and events like this just make it more true. Listen to the laughter. The teleprompter is Obama's "nuclar" and will be a running joke long after we recover from the double-digit inflation he's driving us toward.

You do realize that he spends 18 hours a day listening and talking, and less than 45 minutes of any day is with a teleprompter, right? You do realize that almost all conservatives that come out of meetings with him say or imply almost the exact same thing: "We don't like his liberal policies but he's a really smart, engaged guy." He doesn't have teleprompters 99% of the time. And he has no problem talking, except that he's a deliberate guy who thinks a lot and says, "ummmm..." a lot when he is formulating what he is going to say.

[IDBillzFan]

You do realize that he spends 18 hours a day listening and talking, and less than 45 minutes of any day is with a teleprompter, right? You do realize that almost all conservatives that come out of meetings with him say or imply almost the exact same thing: "We don't like his liberal policies but he's a really smart, engaged guy." He doesn't have teleprompters 99% of the time. And he has no problem talking, except that he's a deliberate guy who thinks a lot and says, "ummmm..." a lot when he is formulating what he is going to say.

Absolutely none of which changes the public perception that he is lost without his teleprompter. Doesn't mean he is. Only means that is how he is perceived. That's why people laughed when he got ahead of himself in this clip. How many times do you have to lose your place at a teleprompter before it sticks as a running gag? Was it the first time during the great "asthma" speech? Introducing himself while with the Irish PM? Or this recent event?

 

Even if every one of those claims are wrong, it simply does not matter. It's public perception. And that means it is reality. May as well get used to it. It only took me about a month to get used to all the newkler jokes. Surely you can adjust to the teleprompter jokes.

[Kelly the Dog]

Absolutely none of which changes the public perception that he is lost without his teleprompter. Doesn't mean he is. Only means that is how he is perceived. That's why people laughed when he got ahead of himself in this clip. How many times do you have to lose your place at a teleprompter before it sticks as a running gag? Was it the first time during the great "asthma" speech? Introducing himself while with the Irish PM? Or this recent event?

 

Even if every one of those claims are wrong, it simply does not matter. It's public perception. And that means it is reality. May as well get used to it. It only took me about a month to get used to all the newkler jokes. Surely you can adjust to the teleprompter jokes.

I don't think it is the major public perception at all. I think the majority of the public think he is a great speaker with or without the teleprompter. The small minority joke about it. You know, like the 21% of the country that now publicly admits they are Republicans.

[IDBillzFan]

I don't think it is the major public perception at all. I think the majority of the public think he is a great speaker with or without the teleprompter. The small minority joke about it. You know, like the 21% of the country that now publicly admits they are Republicans.

If you say so.

[Kelly the Dog]

If you say so.

 

Thanks. I knew you would eventually come around. I would like you to show me all these people who aren't die hard Republicans who think he can only talk with a teleprompter. And here is the link that shows the latest poll showing the 21% figure of the Knights Who Say No.

The latest Washington Post-ABC News poll shows the depth of the party's problems. Just 21 percent of those surveyed identified themselves as Republicans. That's the lowest since the fall of 1983, when just 19 percent identified themselves as Republicans. Party identification does fluctuate with events. But as a snapshot indicator, the latest figures highlight the impact of Obama's opening months on the Republican Party. From a high-water mark of 35 percent in the fall of 2003, Republicans have slid steadily to their present state of affairs. It's just not as cool to be a Republican as it once was.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/0...c.html?wprss=44

[IDBillzFan]

Thanks. I knew you would eventually come around. I would like you to show me all these people who aren't die hard Republicans who think he can only talk with a teleprompter. And here is the link that shows the latest poll showing the 21% figure of the Knights Who Say No.

 

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/0...c.html?wprss=44

I work with people on all sides of the political spectrum all over the country, and it's just simply a running joke. I don't expect you, a die-hard Obama man, to take it seriously any more than I took the newklar jokes seriously. I'm sure you have poll after poll examining how so many people think like you, but I at least TRY to understand the world that I live in, not the world fed to me by a poll provided by a hard-left newspaper and news agency.

 

In the end, it's as simple as this: If Obama's efforts work, and the economy turns around, and unemployment decreases, and no one attacks us on our soil, then none of this examining of the daily miscues will matter. He can fumble off his teleprompter, hug, bow and swap books with whomever he wants, pass out torture gameplans, tell everyone that 90% of the guns in Mexico come from the US, and fly his plane past NYC skyscrapers all day, every day and it simply won't matter because in the end, people only care about their own lives. If their lives are fine, so is the administration. If their lives aren't fine, neither will be this administration. It's really just that simple.

 

So golly gee wow...someone has a poll that says only 21% of the US is Republican. Did you dig deep in the Washington Post/ABC News archives for that nugget , did you?

 

I increasingly realize that despite my belief that this current administration is doing a lot of things wrong, I need to heed the words of a school board member during a heated board meeting when the entire board was yelling at each other while ignoring the issue at hand: "Never mind the storms at sea. It's time to get the ship in."

[stuckincincy]

If this is your best shot, then he's doing something right.

 

Here you go...enjoy.

 

[Kelly the Dog]

I work with people on all sides of the political spectrum all over the country, and it's just simply a running joke. I don't expect you, a die-hard Obama man, to take it seriously any more than I took the newklar jokes seriously. I'm sure you have poll after poll examining how so many people think like you, but I at least TRY to understand the world that I live in, not the world fed to me by a poll provided by a hard-left newspaper and news agency.

 

In the end, it's as simple as this: If Obama's efforts work, and the economy turns around, and unemployment decreases, and no one attacks us on our soil, then none of this examining of the daily miscues will matter. He can fumble off his teleprompter, hug, bow and swap books with whomever he wants, pass out torture gameplans, tell everyone that 90% of the guns in Mexico come from the US, and fly his plane past NYC skyscrapers all day, every day and it simply won't matter because in the end, people only care about their own lives. If their lives are fine, so is the administration. If their lives aren't fine, neither will be this administration. It's really just that simple.

 

So golly gee wow...someone has a poll that says only 21% of the US is Republican. Did you dig deep in the Washington Post/ABC News archives for that nugget , did you?

 

I increasingly realize that despite my belief that this current administration is doing a lot of things wrong, I need to heed the words of a school board member during a heated board meeting when the entire board was yelling at each other while ignoring the issue at hand: "Never mind the storms at sea. It's time to get the ship in."

 

You try to understand the world around you? That's a laugh. You're at the top of the list of the most partisan people on here. The only reason you're any different than Wackamole-son is that you're a lot smarter and funnier and find original words and entertaining ways to display your myopic partisanship. But you don't see the other side one bit from where I sit.

 

I think the teleprompter stuff is funny, too. I joke about him myself about it. I thought he looked like an idiot the other day trying to read it. That's worth a lot of laughs and ribbing and he should rightfully be abused for it. The point and difference is, people like yourself that say he is lost or stupid or can't speak without it, and that he's an empty suit who can just give speeches when words are put in front of him. That, my friend, is the height of ignorance. The guy is brilliant and pretty much anyone that meets him and talks about it says so. I have yet to see anyone, Republican or Independent, say he is not smart. They may say "he just doesn't get it", meaning they think he is completely wrong on an issue. But pretty much everyone thinks he's a brilliant guy.

 

Those smarts does not make a great President. And they can easily make a bad President. And you're ultimately right that none of this crap matters, and if his policies work he will be considered good and if they don't he will be considered a failure.

 

Calling him dumb, however, is just plain dumb.

 

Oh, and the fall in numbers in the Republican party has been happening for quite some time, one of the major reasons for the Obama victory, the main reason Specter jumped ship today, and one of the major reasons I am not worried one bit about future elections right now. The right is whittling itself down to its core, all the while pushing out anyone in the middle. that's the best thing that could possibly happen to the other side. I didn't need a new poll to show me that and it's something I have said on here a few times before.

[Chef Jim]

You try to understand the world around you? That's a laugh. You're at the top of the list of the most partisan people on here. The only reason you're any different than Wackamole-son is that you're a lot smarter and funnier and find original words and entertaining ways to display your myopic partisanship. But you don't see the other side one bit from where I sit.

 

I think the teleprompter stuff is funny, too. I joke about him myself about it. I thought he looked like an idiot the other day trying to read it. That's worth a lot of laughs and ribbing and he should rightfully be abused for it. The point and difference is, people like yourself that say he is lost or stupid or can't speak without it, and that he's an empty suit who can just give speeches when words are put in front of him. That, my friend, is the height of ignorance. The guy is brilliant and pretty much anyone that meets him and talks about it says so. I have yet to see anyone, Republican or Independent, say he is not smart. They may say "he just doesn't get it", meaning they think he is completely wrong on an issue. But pretty much everyone thinks he's a brilliant guy.

 

Those smarts does not make a great President. And they can easily make a bad President. And you're ultimately right that none of this crap matters, and if his policies work he will be considered good and if they don't he will be considered a failure.

 

Calling him dumb, however, is just plain dumb.

 

Oh, and the fall in numbers in the Republican party has been happening for quite some time, one of the major reasons for the Obama victory, the main reason Specter jumped ship today, and one of the major reasons I am not worried one bit about future elections right now. The right is whittling itself down to its core, all the while pushing out anyone in the middle. that's the best thing that could possibly happen to the other side. I didn't need a new poll to show me that and it's something I have said on here a few times before.

 

Did you ever think that the reason the numbers in Republicans has dropped dramatically is because we're smart enought to realize that we've been swindled, had, hoodwinked and just plain !@#$ed over? You'll get your four/eight years, whatever and you'll come around too. We hate the dems and the republicans pretty much the same. Your love for anyone who is a politician and actually thinking that there's really a difference between the two says more about you than us. They all make me sick.

[Kelly the Dog]

Did you ever think that the reason the numbers in Republicans has dropped dramatically is because we're smart enought to realize that we've been swindled, had, hoodwinked and just plain !@#$ed over? You'll get your four/eight years, whatever and you'll come around too. We hate the dems and the republicans pretty much the same. Your love for anyone who is a politician and actually thinking that there's really a difference between the two says more about you than us. They all make me sick.

 

That doesn't make any sense. If you realized that you have been swindled, had, hoodwinked and just plain !@#$ed over, you should be the one to leave, not the one to stay. The ones that are leaving are the disenchanted with how the Republicans have been acting. The ones who are staying are the hardcore.

 

All politicians are politicians, which means they will do a lot of stuff for political reasons, and not all of them are the most high-minded. Not all politicians are evil. A relative few of them aren't. I liked Clinton but thought he was terrible on a few things, a compulsive liar when he was in trouble, and a lout. I liked Reagan and thought the country needed him, I liked his personality and demeanor a lot, but I thought he was completely wrong on a lot of issues.

 

The point is I liked both of them but didnt think they were fabulous. If Clinton wasn't such a disingenuous jerk a large portion of the time, I would have liked him a helluva lot more. I thought he was very smart and a very good politician. If Reagan liked a few more things that I did I would have liked him a lot more. I like Obama because there isn't a lot I don't like about him. That's just a personal preference. I like the guy and I like his politics and I really like his personality and how he handles himself.

[IDBillzFan]

You try to understand the world around you? That's a laugh. You're at the top of the list of the most partisan people on here. The only reason you're any different than Wackamole-son is that you're a lot smarter and funnier and find original words and entertaining ways to display your myopic partisanship. But you don't see the other side one bit from where I sit.

 

I think the teleprompter stuff is funny, too. I joke about him myself about it. I thought he looked like an idiot the other day trying to read it. That's worth a lot of laughs and ribbing and he should rightfully be abused for it. The point and difference is, people like yourself that say he is lost or stupid or can't speak without it, and that he's an empty suit who can just give speeches when words are put in front of him. That, my friend, is the height of ignorance. The guy is brilliant and pretty much anyone that meets him and talks about it says so. I have yet to see anyone, Republican or Independent, say he is not smart. They may say "he just doesn't get it", meaning they think he is completely wrong on an issue. But pretty much everyone thinks he's a brilliant guy.

 

Those smarts does not make a great President. And they can easily make a bad President. And you're ultimately right that none of this crap matters, and if his policies work he will be considered good and if they don't he will be considered a failure.

 

Calling him dumb, however, is just plain dumb.

 

Oh, and the fall in numbers in the Republican party has been happening for quite some time, one of the major reasons for the Obama victory, the main reason Specter jumped ship today, and one of the major reasons I am not worried one bit about future elections right now. The right is whittling itself down to its core, all the while pushing out anyone in the middle. that's the best thing that could possibly happen to the other side. I didn't need a new poll to show me that and it's something I have said on here a few times before.

You're really reading into what I said in a defensive manner without understanding what I was trying to say, which unfortunately makes me wonder if you're somehow related to my wife. As with my wife, I will save us both the trouble and just concede that the problem here is not your inability to understand, but my inability to properly communicate.

 

Let me try to be more clear. When the teleprompter breaks down, he falls apart. He simply can not pick up the thought. He has to wait for the next thought. It breaks the fourth wall, to use a theater term. For all the intelligence and convictions he is supposed to have, you'd think he could tap dance a little better when he loses his place. But he can not because he has become completely dependent on it.

 

Also, most conservatives I know readily admit that the Republican party is a mess. People act as though this is the first time in the history of the world that a political party was a mess. To my thinking, the very best thing that could happen to conservatives right now is to fall completely apart. It's a Buffalo Bills OL in a Bill Bellicheck* world. It needs to completely fall apart so it can be completely rebuilt by returning to its core. That's right. I said it. We need to lose out in order to get a good draft pick.

 

To that line of thinking, it's important (at least to me) that the saviour is not a Newt Gingrich-type because I would argue that would be no different than having Dick Jauron as a head coach. It's already been proven we can go 7-9 with the best of them. But 7-9 won't cut it. It's time for new blood and new leadership, and that starts with first hitting rock bottom. And we ain't near rock bottom yet. But until we're there, a new leader won't emerge. Talking heads like Gingrinch, Steele, Rove, Cheney...all they're doing is sticking fingers in leaks at this point. And to be honest, the emergence of a strong new leader is neither desired nor possible as long as Obama still rates in the mid-60s. The time to move will be when that number really begins dipping, and those numbers will start dipping quickly when one of a number of possible things happen...including, but not limited to (1) an extended recession ("Why is this taking so long? Gimme, gimme, gimme!"), (2) an attack on American soil, (3) the moment the administration realizes that $250,000 is too high of an income tax ceiling to pay for the spending and needs to be lowered to, say, $150,000 or (4) the moment Americans start seeing the effects AND the tab for things like nationalized health care and cap-n-trade.

 

So we can keep taunting each other because it's fun to pass the day, but the Democrats are the Patriots* right now and the GOP is the Bills, led by Dick Jauron and Ralph Wilson. And while I recognize I will spend time yelling that Tom Brady is a fag, it doesn't change the fact the he keeps kicking our ass.