KRC Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 3.- You need not worry about "medical folks" being placed in a state of fear. If they do their job, they have nothing to worry about. Funny how you are so eager to transfer blame and responsibility when it fits your party's platform. 102093[/snapback] I can only agree to a certain extent with this. While doctors need to take responsibility for their actions, it is not always the doctor's fault. "If they do their job, they have nothing to worry about" is not an absolute that can be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 I hope you feel better. Perhaps your little rant makes you feel justified in your calloussnes. But here are some things to consider: 1. -I'm much more moderate than liberal, but you go on ahead and throw around those labels. It shows how smart you are. Really. 2.- Every taxpayer contriibutes to non-profits. Did you forget that whole "tax-exempt status thingy?" All taxpayers share the burden. Also, this taxpayer and his wife have contributed over $5000 this year to our church's offertory. In addition, we donate money to United Way, a homeless mission, the Nat'l MS Society, and more. 3.- You need not worry about "medical folks" being placed in a state of fear. If they do their job, they have nothing to worry about. Funny how you are so eager to transfer blame and responsibility when it fits your party's platform. 4.- I don't care what you smoke, drink, or otherwise ingest. That's your business. 5.- Little men look funny on a high horse. 102093[/snapback] Touched a nerve? Work on the quantity and quality of your personal insults, Campy. I would have savaged me a lot more than you have. But we are adversaries, not enemies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campy Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 Touched a nerve? Work on the quantity and quality of your personal insults, Campy. But we are adversaries, not enemies... 102115[/snapback] You're right. You guys never condescendingly throw around labels and insults. [/sarcasm] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 I know 2 doctors (an internist and a neurologist) who would disagree. In fact, they both said that they don't worry about being sued at all. 102110[/snapback] Talk to an OBGYN, see what they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 You're right. You guys never condescendingly throw around labels and insults. [/sarcasm] 102120[/snapback] Never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 I know 2 doctors (an internist and a neurologist) who would disagree. In fact, they both said that they don't worry about being sued at all. 102110[/snapback] Well, just because you know two PhD's teaching school doesn't count. Just kidding. Seriously though, My wife an I have some friends that own a medical transcription company, they have over 150 doctors that they do business with. I've met quite a few of them, they VERY much disagree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheRocks Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 Well, just because you know two PhD's teaching school doesn't count. Just kidding. Seriously though, My wife an I have some friends that own a medical transcription company, they have over 150 doctors that they do business with. I've met quite a few of them, they VERY much disagree with you. 102128[/snapback] eryn...that company doesn't happen to be called ExecuScribe is it??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campy Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 Talk to an OBGYN, see what they say. 102124[/snapback] Do they teat MS patients too? Seriously, I've read on this board how the poor want to be poor, and that just because they have none of the advantages that most of us have had, they deserve to stay poor. It's not our job to help them, if they want to change their situation, it's up to them to do it. But it's not fair to blame the doctors? I mean c'mon. When they screw up, she should be sued. So we'll make excuses for doctors, but hold the poor accountable... Lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerjamhead Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 The subject of this thread is that Mrs. Edwards was diagnosed with cancer. If you feel a need to start another thread being critical of Mr. Edwards, feel free to do so. This is not the place for it. 101898[/snapback] I didn't start it Mick. You did read the entire thread right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerjamhead Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 My first comments weren't the least bit emotional. But when it escalates to some dirtbag saying crap along the lines of "It's not like I gave her cancer," and "good things don't happen to bad people," then yeah, I get a pissed off. I don't know you, or how old you are, or how old your father was when he passed, but I'm blown away that you, of all people, would defend that scumbag's remarks. 101896[/snapback] I see the problem now, as I was referring to the posts made by Stuckincincy and Eryn. Sorry about the mix up. Boom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 Do they work with MS patients too? 102143[/snapback] If they're pregnant, I suppose they would... Not that I know a hell of a lot about MS, but I suspect any non-surgical medical involvement is at a pretty low risk of a malpractice suit. The fact is, some specialties are far more likely to get sued than others. There's not a hell of a lot of risk in prescribing drugs and physical therapy to MS patients as compared birthing babies safely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 eryn...that company doesn't happen to be called ExecuScribe is it??? 102136[/snapback] Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 But it's not fair to blame the doctors? I mean c'mon. When they screw up, she should be sued. 102143[/snapback] I find the principle VERY distasteful. When they screw up, they should be held responsible. The fact that it's nearly an automatic reaction now that "held responsible" equates to "sued" is a perfect example of what's wrong with the system. We've got accountants and lawyers in HMOs who can decide on treatment and override a doctor's wishes on financial grounds...then if the treatment's ineffective, we have the legal profession to tell us if it's the doctor's negligence or not. I know that's oversimplified...but we've managed to design a health-care system that progressively deemphasizes medical judgement in favor of civil suits and bean-counting and puts doctors in the position of practicing "CYA" as much as medicine. It's not a question of "should doctors be held responsible" - of course they should. It's more a question of "Are doctors being held responsible by a system capable of judging the responsibility"? Is the system we have, where non-experts sit in judgement of highly educated specialists, really holding doctors responsible, or just scapegoating them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNRed Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 I find the principle VERY distasteful. When they screw up, they should be held responsible. The fact that it's nearly an automatic reaction now that "held responsible" equates to "sued" is a perfect example of what's wrong with the system. We've got accountants and lawyers in HMOs who can decide on treatment and override a doctor's wishes on financial grounds...then if the treatment's ineffective, we have the legal profession to tell us if it's the doctor's negligence or not. I know that's oversimplified...but we've managed to design a health-care system that progressively deemphasizes medical judgement in favor of civil suits and bean-counting and puts doctors in the position of practicing "CYA" as much as medicine. It's not a question of "should doctors be held responsible" - of course they should. It's more a question of "Are doctors being held responsible by a system capable of judging the responsibility"? Is the system we have, where non-experts sit in judgement of highly educated specialists, really holding doctors responsible, or just scapegoating them? 102188[/snapback] Great post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 In Florida the ammendments that were passed. Cap on Med-mal cases for attorney fee's (Lawers hate it) Three strike rule on Doctors ( Doctors hate it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 In Florida the ammendments that were passed. Cap on Med-mal cases for attorney fee's (Lawers hate it) Three strike rule on Doctors ( Doctors hate it) 102208[/snapback] If we had a sane way of judging the quality of medical care, it would be a one strike rule. The simple fact that one thinks one needs a doctor to !@#$ up three times before one decides he's negligent just demonstrates what a bull-stevestojan system for assigning medical responsibility we have... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 If we had a sane way of judging the quality of medical care, it would be a one strike rule. The simple fact that one thinks one needs a doctor to !@#$ up three times before one decides he's negligent just demonstrates what a bull-stevestojan system for assigning medical responsibility we have... 102216[/snapback] That would require deep thought Tom, Self intrest always wins, come now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 I know 2 doctors (an internist and a neurologist) who would disagree. In fact, they both said that they don't worry about being sued at all. 102110[/snapback] That's an awfully small sampling to base such a broad statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 I didn't start it Mick. You did read the entire thread right? 102150[/snapback] I read the part where you defended the crass remarks of others: "I purposely stayed out of this thread until I read your post. It's a sensitve subject for me, but I also understand why the other posts were made. Any fool can understand why they were made. Karma can be a biotch sometimes, don't you think?" I also read the part where you said "The subject here is her hubby..." And lastly, I also read the title of the thread "John Edwards Wife has breast cancer". That led me to the astonishing conclusion that the thread was about his wife, not him and that it was inappropriate to be making negative comments about Edwards in a thread dealing with concern for his wife. You defended those crass comments and ignored the subject of the thread. You don't go to a funeral and start bitching about the dead person's wife to the mourners even if she is jerk because that is not the place to do it. This thread was obviously started to inform people of this terrible news and for the purpose of expressing concern for Mrs. Edwards. This is not the place to toss in remarks about Mr. Edwards. It is especially insensitive to do so knowing very well that people who admire the Edwards would be checking in on this thread. Perhaps that was the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VabeachBledsoefan Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 Why? She deserves it... 101670[/snapback] Thought I heard something previous to today..still sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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