Do you like the Maybin pick

[thewildrabbit]

Another thing to think about, when Maybin goes into the game on third down it would be my guess that the opposing team will run right at him until he learns how to stop the run.

[Buffaloed in Pa]

He wasn`t even the starter at the beginning of the season. The player he replaced was suspended for 4 games.Lets Go Bufffaloo0-16.

[The Dean]

Another thing to think about, when Maybin goes into the game on third down it would be my guess that the opposing team will run right at him until he learns how to stop the run.

 

 

Good. I like the idea of the opposition running on 3rd and long.

[4BillsintheBurgh]

I wonder what DJ thinks of it? Sounds like a player to develop instead of playing right away. Not as bad as the McGahee pick/Gregg Williams, but a couple steps that way?

[dave mcbride]

Great, so we traded away a pro bowler for an extra pick in the weakest draft in history? Shrewd.

Last year, I was under the impression that 2008 was the weakest draft in history. And the year before I was under the impression that 2007 was the weakest draft in history.

 

Then I heard today that Belichick was intent on trading down because the 09 draft was very deep. Oh well.

[Orton's Arm]

If nothing else Jauron sticks with his crappy defensive scheme in the Tampa 2, and Maybin fits that scheme better then any other player as a DE. He does run the arc better then anyone else in the draft and has that elite speed. I just can't get over the fact they took Maybin over Orakpo and Robert Ayers.

I can. Maybin had 12 sacks last season. Ayers had, what, two? And IIRC, there were questions about Orakpo's motivation.

 

On the other hand, I've heard nothing but good things about Maybin's motivation, work ethic, and passion for the game of football. That motivation does two things: 1) it reduces the likelihood of him becoming a bust, thus making this a safer pick. 2) It increases the chance he'll be a game changer/very good player. They say that Jerry Rice, for instance, worked harder than an undrafted rookie free agent trying to make the final roster. Passion and greatness go together (though passion alone is, of course, not a sufficient condition for achieving greatness).

 

With players like Raji and Curry off the board by the time the Bills picked, there weren't too many opportunities to get an obvious "wow!" player. Maybin probably has as good a chance as anyone available at #11 to be that wow player. I'm not completely sold on him, but I don't see anyone else who was obviously better. Overall, I think this was an intelligent decision by the Bills' front office, and I look forward to Maybin giving us a much-needed boost to our pass rush.

[Thoner7]

Best pass rusher in the draft.

 

Def not the best apss rusher in the draft. Quickest 225 pound DE yes, best pass rusher... no

[Kelly the Dog]

He benched pressed 225 pounds 22 times at 252. Ayers, allegedly the best overall DE and against the run, benched pressed 18 times at 272. Tyrus Jackson who was picked #3 overall and plays inside at times benched pressed 20 times at 296. So it's not as though Maybin is weak, and he is going to add muscle. Everette Brown had 26. Larry English 24 at 274. Orakpo did 31 at 263.

[jwws9999]

my problem with the pick is that he's another project. the number 11 pick means any player you select should already be there. and all the film I looked at he seemed slow. and finally he's a penn state player, they tend not to be physical enough for the nfl

[VJ91]

Great pick. Even if the kid only come in on obvious pasising plays while beefing up and learning NFL football, he has the natural talent that both Kelsay and even Schobel lack. You can't teach talent and speed. That's what this kid brings.

 

[BuffaloBill]

I don't like the pick......I am tired of these undersized DE.....look at Chris Ellis...the kid they drafted last year 3rd round...another undersized DE....he didn't make any noise......

 

 

While unfair to say so at this point - Ellis has bust written all over him. I wonder if they scouted the wrong guy. He showed nothing on the field. Child amongst men.

[Jdorn]

I hear alot of people calling this kid slow however I saw nothing in games last year or within the scouting clips that back up this claim. He did run poorly at the combine but many have said that was a fluke that was corrected by the pro day. Can anyone provide me evidence other than opinion on why people are calling him slow?

[Larry KenneBREW]

I don't think that anyone would argue that its an area of need. You can only pick from whats on the board right? For what we were looking for I think it was the best option. I liked Brown @ 28 but for some reason teams were avoiding him like the plague. I wonder what pushed him so far down?

[Magox]

I hear alot of people calling this kid slow however I saw nothing in games last year or within the scouting clips that back up this claim. He did run poorly at the combine but many have said that was a fluke that was corrected by the pro day. Can anyone provide me evidence other than opinion on why people are calling him slow?

He is not slow. The only people that would make that assertion, would strictly be basing that on his combine result. He ended up running a 4.59 40 at his pro day with 40.5 inch vertical. This guy has got tremendous explosion and burst, and he has the most explosive first step in the entire draft.

 

He will be used in pass rushing situations. He immediately helps our team in getting after the qb.

[thewildrabbit]

I can. Maybin had 12 sacks last season. Ayers had, what, two? And IIRC, there were questions about Orakpo's motivation.

 

On the other hand, I've heard nothing but good things about Maybin's motivation, work ethic, and passion for the game of football. That motivation does two things: 1) it reduces the likelihood of him becoming a bust, thus making this a safer pick. 2) It increases the chance he'll be a game changer/very good player. They say that Jerry Rice, for instance, worked harder than an undrafted rookie free agent trying to make the final roster. Passion and greatness go together (though passion alone is, of course, not a sufficient condition for achieving greatness).

 

With players like Raji and Curry off the board by the time the Bills picked, there weren't too many opportunities to get an obvious "wow!" player. Maybin probably has as good a chance as anyone available at #11 to be that wow player. I'm not completely sold on him, but I don't see anyone else who was obviously better. Overall, I think this was an intelligent decision by the Bills' front office, and I look forward to Maybin giving us a much-needed boost to our pass rush.

Finish the rest of my post,which stated the most important area:

 

My problem with this pick is the guy wasn't a good run stopper in college and will be even worse in the NFL, and will he need to develop for awhile,like 2-3 years. Tough to justify that #11 for a guy who only does one thing well,and that was in college against inferior players. Lets see how many sacks he gets in the NFL while battling 330 lb NFL tackles

 

As bad as Buffalo's pass rush was last year the defense against the run was far worse,both Ayers and Arakpo would have stepped in and been an instant upgrade at stopping the run,plus they would have been decent pass rushers, at the very least better then Denny.

 

The Bills seem almost in denial about how poor the run defense is, The Tampa2 is noted for allowing run gains because of the smaller / quicker penatrating D linemen vs the bigger run stuffers. Ask the Buccaneers about that 400 yard ground game the Panthers handed them last year while trying to make the playoffs, its the main reason the Tampa2 is dead in Tampa

 

 

I know some of you are entirely excited about the Maybin pick and I'm happy for you, for myself I won't be happy until Jauron is fired and the Tampa2 defense finally dies with his departure.

[Erik]

Did people really want to take a guy from Texas over a guy from Penn State???

[Kingfish]

You're a !@#$ing idiot. Once he was up to 249 he ran like sh--.

 

He ran a 4.6. That's hardly "running like sh--".

[Nanker]

I'm not wild about the pick. If he's going to play a DE/OLB "Tweener/Joker" role effectively, The Bills can't be finished with making their DT position more stout. That remains a work in progress. Getting pressure off the edge isn't easy if you're being gashed up the gut.

[RelaxedMomentum]

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Looking at Video I like him

[Orton's Arm]

Finish the rest of my post,which stated the most important area:

 

My problem with this pick is the guy wasn't a good run stopper in college and will be even worse in the NFL, and will he need to develop for awhile,like 2-3 years. Tough to justify that #11 for a guy who only does one thing well,and that was in college against inferior players. Lets see how many sacks he gets in the NFL while battling 330 lb NFL tackles

 

As bad as Buffalo's pass rush was last year the defense against the run was far worse,both Ayers and Arakpo would have stepped in and been an instant upgrade at stopping the run,plus they would have been decent pass rushers, at the very least better then Denny.

 

The Bills seem almost in denial about how poor the run defense is, The Tampa2 is noted for allowing run gains because of the smaller / quicker penatrating D linemen vs the bigger run stuffers. Ask the Buccaneers about that 400 yard ground game the Panthers handed them last year while trying to make the playoffs, its the main reason the Tampa2 is dead in Tampa

 

 

I know some of you are entirely excited about the Maybin pick and I'm happy for you, for myself I won't be happy until Jauron is fired and the Tampa2 defense finally dies with his departure.

At least initially, I envision Maybin as a pass rush specialist. Pass rush specialists fill an area of vital need, especially given that:

a) The Tampa-2 lives and dies by the pass rush of its front four, and

b) Last season, the biggest single weakness of our defense was its inability to generate a pass rush on third down.

 

The concept of an "every down" defensive lineman is a myth--at least in this defense. The Bills rotate defensive linemen to keep them fresh. So the fact that Maybin may only play about 1/3 of the time to start with should be compared to the 60% or 65% of the time some other guys on this defense are playing--not the 100% of the time that some completely imaginary defensive lineman might have played.

 

Can Maybin get sacks against 330 pound offensive tackles? Obviously, at his current weight, he isn't going to get many sacks by trying to overpower guys like that. When smaller defensive ends achieve pass rushing success, it's typically by using their quickness and speed. Maybin has exceptionally good quickness, and good to very good speed.

 

A player who can rush the passer can always bulk up to become a better run stopper. But a guy who can stop the run typically can't "athleticism up" to become a good pass rusher. Assuming Maybin can add 15 pounds to his frame, while retaining the quickness which makes him a good pass rusher, he'd become a good, all-round DE for all situations, not just third down.