trigger Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 Lazily pasted this from Bills Daily site. Wow, what a rotten draft! Dig the "Draft Grade" at the bottom. 1) Erik Flowers 6-4 1/8, 270, 4.73 - He's a player who was moving up the charts on certain teams but was always high on the Bills chart. He is much bigger than he played at last year but hasn't lost any of his speed. He was considered a pure pass rusher before gaining nearly 30 pounds. He was a hybrid linemen/linbacker but is now just a lineman. He may be a Marcellus Wiley clone. Will help let the Bills keep using their rotation. Was a junior college transfer who is considered a gym rat by scouting director Dwight Adams. 2) Travares Tillman 6-1, 195, 4.55 - Tillman has good size for a safety and is known better for his run stuffing ability and is an above average tackler. His pass defense needs some work and he is not considered a ball hawk. He is supposedly better suited for strong safety than free safety which makes this pick a bit of a surprise. Nevertheless, look for him to be given a chance at the starting free safety position. 3) Corey Moore OLB 5-11, 222, 4.6 - The Bills went for the second pass rusher in the first three rounds by picking Moore. He is an explosive athlete who moves very well. He's downfall is his height, but he projects to be an outside linebacker but has played some strong safety. He will be a bit of a project, so don't expect him to step in and start in Gabe Northern's old spot. He will probably see the field as an extra pass rusher in obvious passing situations. Mel Kiper called him "perhaps the greatest defensive player in College Football this past season." 4) Avion Black WR Tennessee St. 6-0, 180, 4.4 - Fast small player who the Bills got to replace Kevin Williams as a kick, and possibly a punt returner. He is a junior who was slated to return for his senior year before being called ineligible. Mel Kiper seems to like him. He has good speed, a good vertical leap, and scored three touchdowns on returns while catching 47 passes as a receiver. He will have an immediate impact as a returner but may not be polished enough to step in as third receiver. 5) Sammy Morris RB Texas Tech 5-11 3/4, 222 4.6 - Morris is a tweener that can play both tailback and fullback but his best games last year were at the tailback position. He missed two seasons in college because of academic ineligibility. Excellent receiver out of the backfield, may be another Shawn Bryson type of back. Will probably make the team taking Gash's spot. 6) Leif Larsen DT UTEP 6-4 1/4, 305, 5.080 - He's a big and powerful tackle in the mold of Pat Williams possibly. The Norway native is 25 years old and is still a project because he hasn't played much organized football. He has tremendous upside and will have a chance to learn the game behind Ted Washington and Williams. Possibly headed for the practice squad. 7) Drew Haddad WR Buffalo 5-10 1/2, 186, 4.65 - Another small wide receiver from a small, local school. Like Black, chosen earlier, Haddad returns kicks and punts giving the Bills two new options at replacing Kevin Williams. He's not very fast but is sure handed and runs good routes. Considering the lack of receivers the Bills have, he may have a good chance of making the team at least as a punt returner. He will probably get Kamil Loud's roster spot. 7) Deshon Polk LB Arizona 6-1 1/2, 233 - Another example of taking the best available athlete. He projects to playing inside here, probably backing up Sam Cowart. He is better in pass coverage than at run stuffing. He is also a good special teams player. 2000 DRAFT GRADE On paper this seems to be a lot of reaching for certain picks. Keep in mind, the Bills history of drafting is considered one of the best, if not the best in the league. They definitely deserve the benefit of the doubt. Flowers was a player coming up on everybody's board and should be a solid player. They may have reached a bit for Tillman in the second round, he may have been there in the third round. Moore was a steal in the third and so was Morris in the fifth. Black may be the sleeper pick of the draft for the Bills, he will become a solid returner. The late round picks were initially used to fix the many holes in the special teams unit. B
Maddog69 Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 Wow. That is a terrible blast from the past. Hopefully they do better this year. I don't think it is possible to do worse.
NyQuil Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 Drew Haddad? Someone actually drafted someone from the Cirbus era Buffalo Bulls?
KD in CA Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 Keep in mind, the Bills history of drafting is considered one of the best, if not the best in the league. I think it's safe to say that perception belongs firmly in the last century.
seq004 Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 OMG, that's horrible! I assume that was John Butler's last draft RIP.
justnzane Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 Holy Sh-t...who was running the show then? bumble chin butler
DwightSchrute Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 So I didn't really get into the Bills until 2002 or so, and consider myself an avid fan now. But, holy crap, who the hell are these people? I knew Flowers was a bust, Morris is still good in a limited roll, but yikes. Draft's like this one set you back YEARS...wait, I guess that makes sense
billybob Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 was that's Butlers FU just before he left or was fired or whatever
Not the real Gale Gilbert Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 That draft opened season 1 of life without the playoffs.
crazyDingo Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 Don't be too quick to judge. It takes a little while for some players to develop.
Kettle Creek Football Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 Lazily pasted this from Bills Daily site. Wow, what a rotten draft! Dig the "Draft Grade" at the bottom. 1) Erik Flowers 6-4 1/8, 270, 4.73 - He's a player who was moving up the charts on certain teams but was always high on the Bills chart. He is much bigger than he played at last year but hasn't lost any of his speed. He was considered a pure pass rusher before gaining nearly 30 pounds. He was a hybrid linemen/linbacker but is now just a lineman. He may be a Marcellus Wiley clone. Will help let the Bills keep using their rotation. Was a junior college transfer who is considered a gym rat by scouting director Dwight Adams. 2) Travares Tillman 6-1, 195, 4.55 - Tillman has good size for a safety and is known better for his run stuffing ability and is an above average tackler. His pass defense needs some work and he is not considered a ball hawk. He is supposedly better suited for strong safety than free safety which makes this pick a bit of a surprise. Nevertheless, look for him to be given a chance at the starting free safety position. 3) Corey Moore OLB 5-11, 222, 4.6 - The Bills went for the second pass rusher in the first three rounds by picking Moore. He is an explosive athlete who moves very well. He's downfall is his height, but he projects to be an outside linebacker but has played some strong safety. He will be a bit of a project, so don't expect him to step in and start in Gabe Northern's old spot. He will probably see the field as an extra pass rusher in obvious passing situations. Mel Kiper called him "perhaps the greatest defensive player in College Football this past season." 4) Avion Black WR Tennessee St. 6-0, 180, 4.4 - Fast small player who the Bills got to replace Kevin Williams as a kick, and possibly a punt returner. He is a junior who was slated to return for his senior year before being called ineligible. Mel Kiper seems to like him. He has good speed, a good vertical leap, and scored three touchdowns on returns while catching 47 passes as a receiver. He will have an immediate impact as a returner but may not be polished enough to step in as third receiver. 5) Sammy Morris RB Texas Tech 5-11 3/4, 222 4.6 - Morris is a tweener that can play both tailback and fullback but his best games last year were at the tailback position. He missed two seasons in college because of academic ineligibility. Excellent receiver out of the backfield, may be another Shawn Bryson type of back. Will probably make the team taking Gash's spot. 6) Leif Larsen DT UTEP 6-4 1/4, 305, 5.080 - He's a big and powerful tackle in the mold of Pat Williams possibly. The Norway native is 25 years old and is still a project because he hasn't played much organized football. He has tremendous upside and will have a chance to learn the game behind Ted Washington and Williams. Possibly headed for the practice squad. 7) Drew Haddad WR Buffalo 5-10 1/2, 186, 4.65 - Another small wide receiver from a small, local school. Like Black, chosen earlier, Haddad returns kicks and punts giving the Bills two new options at replacing Kevin Williams. He's not very fast but is sure handed and runs good routes. Considering the lack of receivers the Bills have, he may have a good chance of making the team at least as a punt returner. He will probably get Kamil Loud's roster spot. 7) Deshon Polk LB Arizona 6-1 1/2, 233 - Another example of taking the best available athlete. He projects to playing inside here, probably backing up Sam Cowart. He is better in pass coverage than at run stuffing. He is also a good special teams player. 2000 DRAFT GRADE On paper this seems to be a lot of reaching for certain picks. Keep in mind, the Bills history of drafting is considered one of the best, if not the best in the league. They definitely deserve the benefit of the doubt. Flowers was a player coming up on everybody's board and should be a solid player. They may have reached a bit for Tillman in the second round, he may have been there in the third round. Moore was a steal in the third and so was Morris in the fifth. Black may be the sleeper pick of the draft for the Bills, he will become a solid returner. The late round picks were initially used to fix the many holes in the special teams unit. B WGR did the 2004 Recap today. If it wasn't for Lee Evans, '04 would have been equally bad... Round Pick Overall Pos. Player College 1 13 13 WR Lee Evans Wisconsin 1 22 22* QB J.P. Losman Tulane 3 11 74 DT Tim Anderson Ohio St. 4 13 109 TE Tim Euhus Oregon State 7 6 207* OT Dylan McFarland Montana 7 13 214 WR Jonathan Smith Georgia Tech
Max997 Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 that was Butler drafting with one foot out the door drafting Tillman was a classic case of a team deadset on drafting a position and thinking they were going to get Deon Grant and when they didnt they took the next guy they had rated at the position
PromoTheRobot Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 But you know what? They were all fine young men. PTR
ChasBB Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 2000 DRAFT GRADE On paper this seems to be a lot of reaching for certain picks. Keep in mind, the Bills history of drafting is considered one of the best, if not the best in the league. They definitely deserve the benefit of the doubt. Flowers was a player coming up on everybody's board and should be a solid player. They may have reached a bit for Tillman in the second round, he may have been there in the third round. Moore was a steal in the third and so was Morris in the fifth. Black may be the sleeper pick of the draft for the Bills, he will become a solid returner. The late round picks were initially used to fix the many holes in the special teams unit. B They kind of lost the benefit of the doubt about 10 years ago or so. They used to draft well, but that history is getting more-and-more ancient. You could argue that the Bills were one of the best drafting teams in the mid-to-late 80's and early 90's, but that reputation has faded away. It's really living in the past to give this current front office the benefit of the doubt based on any long-running history. The Donahoe era was pretty bad, and it's looking like the brief Levy era was less-than-stellar. However, recent history is another story. So far, the 2007 & 2008 drafts are looking fairly good, so based on THAT, I will give the current front office the benefit of the doubt this year that they will make smart decisions.
Captain Hindsight Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 Don't be too quick to judge. It takes a little while for some players to develop.
BEAST MODE BABY! Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 But you know what? They were all fine young men. PTR LOL
BillsDaily Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 They kind of lost the benefit of the doubt about 10 years ago or so. They used to draft well, but that history is getting more-and-more ancient. You could argue that the Bills were one of the best drafting teams in the mid-to-late 80's and early 90's, but that reputation has faded away. It's really living in the past to give this current front office the benefit of the doubt based on any long-running history. The Donahoe era was pretty bad, and it's looking like the brief Levy era was less-than-stellar. However, recent history is another story. So far, the 2007 & 2008 drafts are looking fairly good, so based on THAT, I will give the current front office the benefit of the doubt this year that they will make smart decisions. Remember I did that almost 10 years ago... when the draft reputation was still good.. I also say about my draft grades every year that they are done a bit tongue and cheek since you can't really grade a draft for a few years but everyone does it right after the draft so I do it too... You just can't take it too seriously...
VJ91 Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 Here's a 20/20 Hindsight possible draft of players that were still on the board from that horrid draft for the first few rounds: 1) Keith Bulluck instead of Erik Flowers 2) Brad Meester instead of Travares Tillman 3) John St. Clair instead of Corey Moore 4) Clark Haggans instead of Avion Black To be fair to the that last Butler/Smith draft for the Bills, they were drafting late in every round due to their 11-5-0 record from 1999, and as you can see above, there was not a plethora of talented players left drafting so low in every round. Still, for John Butler, he went out with a wimper. He could have tried to trade up to get some better talent - that really was a horrible effort!
mannc Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 WGR did the 2004 Recap today. If it wasn't for Lee Evans, '04 would have been equally bad... Round Pick Overall Pos. Player College 1 13 13 WR Lee Evans Wisconsin 1 22 22* QB J.P. Losman Tulane 3 11 74 DT Tim Anderson Ohio St. 4 13 109 TE Tim Euhus Oregon State 7 6 207* OT Dylan McFarland Montana 7 13 214 WR Jonathan Smith Georgia Tech I would argue that 2004 was at least as bad as 2000, because we used up our No. 1 for 2005, as well. Gotta love trading up.
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