Leonidas Posted April 21, 2009 Posted April 21, 2009 Parrish is an exciting player, fun to watch, and the best punt returner in the AFC. So the Bills could keep him and keep one less TE, LB, or QB. On the other hand, he's a 6th reciever on the team that costs about $3M per year. And the Bills will not replace Parrish with a 5th round pick. McKelvin will replace Parrish on PR, who will do fine. The Bills can then use the 5th round pick on a prospect who may contribute down the road. Finally, they can use the $3M saved per season to help upgrade at another position (perhaps DT Henderson or OG Waters). Also, why can't Parrish beat out Read at WR? Is Read just that good? It bugs me a bit that maximizing profits gets in the way of building the best team possible. But maybe that's life in the NFL except for a handful of teams. Dante Hall was traded to the Rams for a 5th rounder a few years back. At 28, not 26 (in the short career of a PR, that's light-years difference). And KC's return game has been non-existant since. Actually, the entire team has been non-existant. I hope it doesn't happen. When we draft some long-snapper with that fifth pick you will all have gotten your wish. And for the last time, please look at the bonus structure of his contract. He makes somewhere between $1.5M-2.1M/year in salary. The bonuses and guarantees are sunk costs and irrevelant to the discussion. In no way does he make over $3M/year.
Flbillsfan#1 Posted April 21, 2009 Posted April 21, 2009 I think we're missing the issue. We are loaded at WR, so what roster spot could Roscoe take if it is not one of the WR slots? For this reason, I believe the Bills are thinking of dealing him. I just hope it is to a crappy NFC team. I don't want to help Pittsburgh with anything. I'd also prefer a warm body in return as opposed to a Draft Choice (unless the choice is packaged with (let's say Kelsay) to go to Jacksonville for Henderson). The Bills were LOADED at WR when Steve Tasker played. As others have noted salary is not an issue the SIGNING BONUS is included in the $3Mil figure. I have more faith in Parrish than I do in Edwards.
DrFishfinder Posted April 21, 2009 Posted April 21, 2009 Why would you trade somebody who elicits fear in every special teams coach in the league (except April)? He's an awesome player, and it ain't his fault they can't find him. Having TO and Evans and the new tight end, this will enable Parrish to get open and tear things up. He's a weapon. You can't replace him with a 5th round pick. Maybe it's a salary thing...who knows? I'd keep him. He's fantastic. And I apologize if somebody has already made this. I don't have time to read every post that shows up in here. He's a weapon on punt returns, but he's only averaged 1.76 catches per game as a WR. I don't see him having any more of a role as a WR with TO on the field than before....probably less.
Sisyphean Bills Posted April 21, 2009 Posted April 21, 2009 Have to make a roster spot for an extra DB.
Flbillsfan#1 Posted April 21, 2009 Posted April 21, 2009 He's a weapon on punt returns, but he's only averaged 1.76 catches per game as a WR. I don't see him having any more of a role as a WR with TO on the field than before....probably less. As I pointed out Tasker did not play a big role at WR but the Bills when they were GOOD found a spot on their roster for him.
SouthGeorgiaBillsFan Posted April 21, 2009 Posted April 21, 2009 As I pointed out Tasker did not play a big role at WR but the Bills when they were GOOD found a spot on their roster for him. If anyone else compares Roscoe Parrish to Steve Tasker I'm gonna have to get really ugly on here...
Flbillsfan#1 Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 If anyone else compares Roscoe Parrish to Steve Tasker I'm gonna have to get really ugly on here... Go for it.
The Jokeman Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 maybe they arent planning on forcing many punts this year? They arent near the cap, no? Why not pay the guy this year to have someone explosive returning punts? Because if we end up keeping him as a 4th WR and punt returner we might get finding a true talent say at left OT wants to be paid more then he's worth oh wait a minute... That said I am in favor of keeping Roscoe then trading him but Russ has some serious egg on his face for over paying him.
Flbillsfan#1 Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 Because if we end up keeping him as a 4th WR and punt returner we might get finding a true talent say at left OT wants to be paid more then he's worth oh wait a minute... That said I am in favor of keeping Roscoe then trading him but Russ has some serious egg on his face for over paying him. The signing bonus has ALREADY been paid. He has the money in the bank. His pay for the next 2 years is reasonable.
Leonidas Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 Because if we end up keeping him as a 4th WR and punt returner we might get finding a true talent say at left OT wants to be paid more then he's worth oh wait a minute... That said I am in favor of keeping Roscoe then trading him but Russ has some serious egg on his face for over paying him. The signing bonus has ALREADY been paid. He has the money in the bank. His pay for the next 2 years is reasonable. Per ESPN: Roscoe Parrish, WR, Buffalo: Bills officials and Parrish's agent began advertising a few weeks ago that the four-year veteran is available. Parrish, 26, has been all but buried on the Bills' wide receiver depth chart, but the second-round pick in 2005 has speed and quickness as a receiver, and elusiveness as a kick returner. He has 97 receptions for 1,052 yards and five touchdowns, but 35 of those catches came two years ago. Formerly of the University of Miami, he has averaged 23.7 yards on 18 kickoff returns and an impressive 14.0 yards on 94 punt returns. As a punt returner, he averaged 13.3 yards or more in three of his four seasons, and has one return for a touchdown in each of the past three years. Some unsubstantiated rumors have linked him to the Pittsburgh Steelers. His contract might be palatable enough, with base salaries of $1 million (2009), $1.025 million (2010) and $1.025 million (2011), with $500,000 roster bonuses due each year. My apologies to anybody who is offended by potential copyright infringement. All opinions setforth are those of Len Pasquarelli and do not necessarily reflect those of ESPN or Leonidas.McKelvin. Recreation or misrepresentation without the express written consent of Major League Baseball is strictly prohibited. Magox - I like you bud, but you got some 'splainin to do. So does everyone else who claimed he made in excess of $3M/year when evidence to the contrary was repeatedly presented. http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?showt...=86720&st=0
DrFishfinder Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 As I pointed out Tasker did not play a big role at WR but the Bills when they were GOOD found a spot on their roster for him. Actually, you have a good point. The years Tasker was used as a WR (1995-1996), he averaged 1.95 catches/game. However... (you knew that was coming), Parrish (age 23-26/1.76 catches per game) is in his prime. Tasker (age 33-34/1.95 catches per game) wasn't. Plus, Tasker was THE consummate Special Teams Hellion. In fact, that term was created just for him. I'm not saying "Don't keep Roscoe". I am saying that he is a non-factor as a WR and while valuable as a punt returner, is replaceable.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 This is at least the second Roscoe Parrish thread and I know I read a post earlier suggesting this but it bears repeating: Perhaps Roscoe wants out. The ESPN article even suggests it: "Bills officials and Parrish's agent began advertising a few weeks ago that the four-year veteran is available. Parrish, 26, has been all but buried on the Bills' wide receiver depth chart..." So to those who don't want to see Roscoe go I ask you: if he wants to go do you want to keep him here against his will?
Peter Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 This is at least the second Roscoe Parrish thread and I know I read a post earlier suggesting this but it bears repeating: Perhaps Roscoe wants out. The ESPN article even suggests it: "Bills officials and Parrish's agent began advertising a few weeks ago that the four-year veteran is available. Parrish, 26, has been all but buried on the Bills' wide receiver depth chart..." So to those who don't want to see Roscoe go I ask you: if he wants to go do you want to keep him here against his will? Maybe it would help if we did not bury him on the bench. Let him play with TO and Evans and let's see if the opposing defenses can figure out how they are going to cover all three (or four when Josh is in).
Leonidas Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 This is at least the second Roscoe Parrish thread and I know I read a post earlier suggesting this but it bears repeating: Perhaps Roscoe wants out. The ESPN article even suggests it: "Bills officials and Parrish's agent began advertising a few weeks ago that the four-year veteran is available. Parrish, 26, has been all but buried on the Bills' wide receiver depth chart..." So to those who don't want to see Roscoe go I ask you: if he wants to go do you want to keep him here against his will? Is he a distraction about it? No? Then you keep him. If nothing else he significantly reduces the chances of McKelvin and McGee from getting injured in the return game. If he's becoming a distraction about it then maybe you do have to ship him out, providing you get the right offer for him. But he makes a pretty decent salary considering his lack of offensive production. It's not like the Bills are asking him to take a pay cut. Go out there and do what you're asked. There is no other sport in the world more "team-oriented" than football, so do what's best for the team and earn your paycheck.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 Maybe it would help if we did not bury him on the bench. Let him play with TO and Evans and let's see if the opposing defenses can figure out how they are going to cover all three (or four when Josh is in). I ask again, what if he wants to leave? In other words, what if he's made up his mind? It almost sounds like his agent asked the Bills to trade him. So at that point Peter, do you want to keep him here against his will?
Magox Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 Per ESPN: Roscoe Parrish, WR, Buffalo: Bills officials and Parrish's agent began advertising a few weeks ago that the four-year veteran is available. Parrish, 26, has been all but buried on the Bills' wide receiver depth chart, but the second-round pick in 2005 has speed and quickness as a receiver, and elusiveness as a kick returner. He has 97 receptions for 1,052 yards and five touchdowns, but 35 of those catches came two years ago. Formerly of the University of Miami, he has averaged 23.7 yards on 18 kickoff returns and an impressive 14.0 yards on 94 punt returns. As a punt returner, he averaged 13.3 yards or more in three of his four seasons, and has one return for a touchdown in each of the past three years. Some unsubstantiated rumors have linked him to the Pittsburgh Steelers. His contract might be palatable enough, with base salaries of $1 million (2009), $1.025 million (2010) and $1.025 million (2011), with $500,000 roster bonuses due each year. My apologies to anybody who is offended by potential copyright infringement. All opinions setforth are those of Len Pasquarelli and do not necessarily reflect those of ESPN or Leonidas.McKelvin. Recreation or misrepresentation without the express written consent of Major League Baseball is strictly prohibited. Magox - I like you bud, but you got some 'splainin to do. So does everyone else who claimed he made in excess of $3M/year when evidence to the contrary was repeatedly presented. http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?showt...=86720&st=0 Are you really this hardheaded or do you have an inability to comprehend data? I'm going to take a wild guess and say you are hard headed. Here's what I wrote: Parrish's contract includes a $1.1 million signing bonus, bonuses of $3.25 million in 2008, $1.5 million in '09, a $1 million base salary in 2009, and base salaries of $1.25 million in 2010 and 2011, plus $500,000 roster bonuses each year. Now you tell me how that doesn't come out to over $2.7 Million a year? I all ready told you that this was an issue of semantics, but you decided to ignore it.
mrags Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 I ask again, what if he wants to leave? In other words, what if he's made up his mind? It almost sounds like his agent asked the Bills to trade him. So at that point Peter, do you want to keep him here against his will? Agreed. As I said before I heard that Roscoe was upset that he cant get on the field and wants out. And to anyone that wants to say put him out there and see if teams can defend???? Um have you ever seen Roscoe try and fight off defenders at the line of scrimmage with his weak 168LB frame? He gets manhandled. There IS a reason he cant beat out Josh Reed you know. Hes not that good at WR.
Peter Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 I ask again, what if he wants to leave? In other words, what if he's made up his mind? It almost sounds like his agent asked the Bills to trade him. So at that point Peter, do you want to keep him here against his will? As I said, if the problem is opportunity, let's give him the opportunity to play. I know that there are a lot of guys on this board (perhaps not you) who have been clamoring about him since the day we drafted him. The guy is a playmaker. We have very few of those. I would like to see the mismatches that would be created with him playing with TO and Evans and also Josh. Put the pressure on opposing defenses.
Magox Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 Maybe it would help if we did not bury him on the bench. Let him play with TO and Evans and let's see if the opposing defenses can figure out how they are going to cover all three (or four when Josh is in). peter, maybe it would help if he could get open. You can not say that he has not been given the opportunity. When given the opportunity, he hasn't lived up to expectations. So he hasn't been buried on the bench as a result of not being given the chance, he just now has ended up buried on the bench as a result of lack of production.
Leonidas Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 Are you really this hardheaded or do you have an inability to comprehend data? I'm going to take a wild guess and say you are hard headed. Here's what I wrote: Parrish's contract includes a $1.1 million signing bonus, bonuses of $3.25 million in 2008, $1.5 million in '09, a $1 million base salary in 2009, and base salaries of $1.25 million in 2010 and 2011, plus $500,000 roster bonuses each year. Now you tell me how that doesn't come out to over $2.7 Million a year? I all ready told you that this was an issue of semantics, but you decided to ignore it. It's not an issue of symantics if the bonuses have already been paid and allocated. The article puts his salary at $1.5M for '08. I have found no data on the internet (and not for lack of trying) that contradicts this.
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