Go Buffalo!!! Go away haters

[SWBuffalo]

Wow... 25 years. Let's see. you started being a "fan" around 1983 or 1984. Do you even know who Hank Bullough, Kay Stevenson and Harvey Johnson are? Your becoming a "fan" was just a couple years before respectability started and shortly thereafter led to the Super Bowl years. Try being a fan from the beginning of the franchise.

 

Wow... 25 years; that gives you the right to call out any fan that dares criticize this organization? Try sitting through the really rough years at the Rockpile. I have always been and will always be a BUFFALO Bills fan but reserve everyone's right to express there displeasure with this disfunctional organization. I am not a fan of the overrated Ralph Wilson but will never waver in my support of the city of Buffalo, the Buffalo Bills or the right to enjoy spirited discussions with either negative or positive fans.

 

If the fans of the Buffalo Bills irritate you, why don't you find another team?

Well, I'm 33 and became a fan when I was 8, so forgive me for not fully understanding all the nuances of the Bills at the time. I grew up in a Cowboys happy city cheering for the Bills during all 4 loses to NFC East teams in the superbowl and still had the backbone to cheer for them for another decade of playoff-less football. I'm calling out haters and people who would rather sit around crying over spilled milk, instead of giving the organization the time it needs to get its footing in a small market, where few big time players want to go. I think holding on to Jauron was great because getting rid of him would have sentenced us to 3 more years of rebuilding and I think its clear that Buffalo is pulling out all the stops this offseason to make any and all changes to give Jauron the best chance possible. Oh, and yeah, 25 years sure as hell does give me the right to criticize fans who would rather belly ache about things they can't control, then support the efforts of those that are trying every year to take the Bills back to the Superbowl.

[C.Biscuit97]

If I honestly thought the Bills were in as bad of shape as some of you here, I'd find something alot better to do with my time than spend all offseason whining on a message board about it. I'm questioning people's fandom, but I just never taking the time to whine about moves before a season even starts. For god sakes, people still whine about Whitner and he's been on the team for 3 years. It is mind numbing.

 

I come here to talk about the Bills. admittedly, I live my life glass half full. I think there is a lot of potential in this team. But soem fans just seem like they enjoy killing other people's enthusiasm. That's sad to me and has made me even want to avoid the board at times. Edwards sucks, Wilson is cheap, the Bills are moving, Jauron is an idiot, Poz is a bust, etc. It is so mind numbing at times.

 

Anyways, I look forward to the draft, getting players who are hungry to win and not jsut money, and cheering on a 10-6 playoff team this year. Go Bills!!!

[SWBuffalo]

If I honestly thought the Bills were in as bad of shape as some of you here, I'd find something alot better to do with my time than spend all offseason whining on a message board about it. I'm questioning people's fandom, but I just never taking the time to whine about moves before a season even starts. For god sakes, people still whine about Whitner and he's been on the team for 3 years. It is mind numbing.

 

I come here to talk about the Bills. admittedly, I live my life glass half full. I think there is a lot of potential in this team. But soem fans just seem like they enjoy killing other people's enthusiasm. That's sad to me and has made me even want to avoid the board at times. Edwards sucks, Wilson is cheap, the Bills are moving, Jauron is an idiot, Poz is a bust, etc. It is so mind numbing at times.

 

Anyways, I look forward to the draft, getting players who are hungry to win and not jsut money, and cheering on a 10-6 playoff team this year. Go Bills!!!

Amen!

[thebug]

GO BILLS!

[Paup 1995MVP]

I have been a Bills fan for more than 40 years (and will continue to be as long as they are the Buffalo Bills). I still do not like the Peters trade or the talked about Roscoe trade.

Why don't you like the Peters trade? Did you watch him play last year. He did not give a sh-t about the team.. He as much admitted it in his press conference today in Philly. Do you really believe all the hype and think he is that great a player? He was sieve on the left side last year, simple as that. It is just a shame for all the fans of this beloved team to rip the FO for getting rid of a guy who did not want to play for us, and was at best mediocre last year. For the love of god, why on earth would the Bills give Peters a 4 year $53 million extension when he stayed away all last offseason and than played horribly the entire season? Get a clue, PLEASE!!! There are other huge men in this country who can play LT in the NFL, and will also agree to be part of the team.

 

As for Roscoe, he is a punt returner. He makes a few big plays every year. He is not worth $3 million/year. He is a TERRIBLE receiver. And when he does catch the ball he gets brought down almost immediately everytime. Lets see what we can get for him, before jumping off of a bridge!!! I count five if not six receivers on our roster right now I would rather have playing than Roscoe.

 

We have not won with either Roscoe or Peters. Change is not always bad fellas. Enjoy it. We didn't win with these guys. Lets keep changing it up until we find some winning combinations. Besides it sure makes the offseason a whole lot more interesting.

[SWBuffalo]

Why don't you like the Peters trade? Did you watch him play last year. He did not give a sh-t about the team.. He as much admitted it in his press conference today in Philly. Do you really believe all the hype and think he is that great a player? He was sieve on the left side last year, simple as that. It is just a shame for all the fans of this beloved team to rip the FO for getting rid of a guy who did not want to play for us, and was at best mediocre last year. For the love of god, why on earth would the Bills give Peters a 4 year $53 million extension when he stayed away all last offseason and than played horribly the entire season? Get a clue, PLEASE!!! There are other huge men in this country who can play LT in the NFL, and will also agree to be part of the team.

 

As for Roscoe, he is a punt returner. He makes a few big plays every year. He is not worth $3 million/year. He is a TERRIBLE receiver. And when he does catch the ball he gets brought down almost immediately everytime. Lets see what we can get for him, before jumping off of a bridge!!! I count five if not six receivers on our roster right now I would rather have playing than Roscoe.

 

We have not won with either Roscoe or Peters. Change is not always bad fellas. Enjoy it. We didn't win with these guys. Lets keep changing it up until we find some winning combinations. Besides it sure makes the offseason a whole lot more interesting.

 

It's good to see level heads prevailing on this board. Go Bills!!!!

[BillsVet]

I enjoy reading posts from those fans who've been with the team for years. I started watching in 88 and took it for granted all the success from that point through 99. If only I'd have known that a decade of success would follow with a walk across the Sahara of playoff deserts.

 

I suppose I'm a "hater" because I don't feel the direction of the franchise is healthy. In order to win in today's NFL, you must have great management well versed in personnel. When I look at Buffalo's "inner circle" I see the owner, CFO, and marketing guy making football decisions, yet none of them are trained in doing so. The previous GM, a HOF HC, had no training as a personnel guy in the NFL. Someone will say Donahoe did, but if one guy fails, it's no reason to avoid other GM's from the personnel ranks.

 

Most of all, I'm a "hater" because the writing is on the wall WRT the future of this team. Read between the lines here. None of us have seen the actual Toronto contract, but Phil Lind is saying they'll pursue options to add further games under the Bills in Toronto series. If the team can make 2-3 times per game what they can in Buffalo, no self-respecting businessman would accept less revenue in Buffalo. That's downright frightening.

 

Lastly, when I look at other teams in the league, a great many of them aren't selling games to other locales or so dependent on an owner in his 90s. It almost seems the Bills are doing a little above minimum to keep a product on the field that won't be dreadful nor spectacular. Beyond what happens on the field, it's what's going off it which concerns me most. How anyone can ignore the 800 pound gorilla in the room that is Toronto remains beyond me.

 

EDIT: Nothing personal SWBuffalo, but you've been here on this board for 2 months. There are many who've been here longer than I, but calling people out with so little time on TSW is not recommended.

[drinkTHEkoolaid]

the past decade of no playoffs and 3 consecutive 7-9 seasons gives me the right as a fan to be a pessimist.

 

if i wasnt a real fan i would have jumped ship, but i am hoping things turn around. i am not going to fall head over heels for this team again until they deserve the love.

[VJ91]

...As for Roscoe, he is a TERRIBLE receiver...I count five if not six receivers on our roster right now I would rather have playing than Roscoe.

 

I'll give you Owens, Evans & Reed. That is only THREE receivers that any rational football fan would rate better then Parrish as a wide receiver on the current Buffalo Bills' roster. You say he's a terrible receiver? I say the Bills' OC's since he came in have been terrible, in how they have "used" him as a receiver. I think Parrish can put up 40 - 50 catches a year for 500-600 yards and 5 or more TD's per season, year in and year out with his speed.

 

But I'm sure I won't get a chance for my point to be proven on the Bills, since they seem intent on dumping Roscoe and his 3 Mil a year for yet another 5th round draft pick anyway. I'll be interested in looking at Roscoe's final 2009 receiving stats next winter for his new team, compared to the day 2 draft pick the Bills get in return for his salary dump.

 

And oh by the way, keep his 21 punt returns for 15.3 yards avg. and his (1) 63 yard TD in the back of your mind he had for the Bills in '08 too. Everyone says anybody can duplicate those numbers running behind Bobby Aprils' punt return team. I sure hope so, since you know the Bills will need every offensive yard they can get this year to end this playoff-less streak. I seem to remember a few of his punt returns having big impacts on those 7 wins the Bills did manage last year!

[BillsFan-4-Ever]

We can be a Bills fans AND be critical.

 

That's part of bieing a fan, living with highs and lows.

 

Otherwise you add Bandwagon to your name.

[Mickey]

Come on people. I have been a bills fan for 25 years and never wavered in my loyalty to this team. There is a lot to be said about Bills fans that have been through the highs and lows this team has offered. Now we are on to another year and I have never seen so much resentment toward our FO and team. This is OUR team people! If you don't like the Bills, then follow Peters to Philly. If you want a guaranteed playoff every year, then be a Patriot fan. Me, I want to be here when the Bills finally win a Super Bowl, so I can enjoy what it felt like to be a real fan of both Buffalo and Football

I humbly request your permission to love the team but dislike the front office for failing to keep our best players or to even get a sniff of postseason play. Since you are the judge of proper fandom, I thought it appropriate to seek your gracious permission first before offering any crticism of our beloved front office. Will the team gear shop be offering a replica of Brandon's button down oxfords for front office fans?

[Mickey]

Why don't you like the Peters trade? Did you watch him play last year. He did not give a sh-t about the team.. He as much admitted it in his press conference today in Philly. Do you really believe all the hype and think he is that great a player? He was sieve on the left side last year, simple as that. It is just a shame for all the fans of this beloved team to rip the FO for getting rid of a guy who did not want to play for us, and was at best mediocre last year. For the love of god, why on earth would the Bills give Peters a 4 year $53 million extension when he stayed away all last offseason and than played horribly the entire season? Get a clue, PLEASE!!! There are other huge men in this country who can play LT in the NFL, and will also agree to be part of the team.

 

As for Roscoe, he is a punt returner. He makes a few big plays every year. He is not worth $3 million/year. He is a TERRIBLE receiver. And when he does catch the ball he gets brought down almost immediately everytime. Lets see what we can get for him, before jumping off of a bridge!!! I count five if not six receivers on our roster right now I would rather have playing than Roscoe.

 

We have not won with either Roscoe or Peters. Change is not always bad fellas. Enjoy it. We didn't win with these guys. Lets keep changing it up until we find some winning combinations. Besides it sure makes the offseason a whole lot more interesting.

Did you not see him play in 2006 and 2007 when he had full camps and practices to prep? We do not have a single player on this roster who would rate in the top 5 at his position in the league. In fact, I am not sure we even have a single player whou would rate in the top ten at his position in the league apart from Owens. The one guy we had who was that good just skipped town.

 

Peters was undeniably the best personnel coup this team has made in at least the last 5 years and they just pissed it away. The only people in all of football questioning Peters' ability are the people on this board, the geniuses who said Parker and Peters were morons and that the Bills had Peters by the balls. Those morons, despite having their balls in an iron vice, somehow managed to get out of a bad deal 2 years early, signed the biggest OT contract in NFL history and are playing for a perennial contender in a major market. The drooling cretins who were so sure Peters and Parker didn't know what they were doing are the same knuckle draggers who think Peters stinks.

[Mickey]

If I honestly thought the Bills were in as bad of shape as some of you here, I'd find something alot better to do with my time than spend all offseason whining on a message board about it. I'm questioning people's fandom, but I just never taking the time to whine about moves before a season even starts. For god sakes, people still whine about Whitner and he's been on the team for 3 years. It is mind numbing.

 

I come here to talk about the Bills. admittedly, I live my life glass half full. I think there is a lot of potential in this team. But soem fans just seem like they enjoy killing other people's enthusiasm. That's sad to me and has made me even want to avoid the board at times. Edwards sucks, Wilson is cheap, the Bills are moving, Jauron is an idiot, Poz is a bust, etc. It is so mind numbing at times.

 

Anyways, I look forward to the draft, getting players who are hungry to win and not jsut money, and cheering on a 10-6 playoff team this year. Go Bills!!!

Gee, can I ride your pretty pink unicorn over rainbows and lollipop forests when its time for your gumdrop break?

 

Since time beyond memory fans have ranted back and forth about what is good, bad and indifferent about their teams. If you can't handle a little salt in your sugar pie once in awhile, perhaps you should consider becoming an Ice Dancing fan, that is, if you aren't already.

[SWBuffalo]

I humbly request your permission to love the team but dislike the front office for failing to keep our best players or to even get a sniff of postseason play. Since you are the judge of proper fandom, I thought it appropriate to seek your gracious permission first before offering any crticism of our beloved front office. Will the team gear shop be offering a replica of Brandon's button down oxfords for front office fans?

 

Nope, permission denied

[billsfreak]

Gee, can I ride your pretty pink unicorn over rainbows and lollipop forests when its time for your gumdrop break?

 

Since time beyond memory fans have ranted back and forth about what is good, bad and indifferent about their teams. If you can't handle a little salt in your sugar pie once in awhile, perhaps you should consider becoming an Ice Dancing fan, that is, if you aren't already.

Great opening line! That is why I spend way too much time on this board, great lines like that. I like to belive I am optimistic, but fortuneatly I am not blind or ignorant enough to believe every thing is Peachy Keen and all Roses at OBD.

[DrFishfinder]

Come on people. I have been a bills fan for 25 years and never wavered in my loyalty to this team. There is a lot to be said about Bills fans that have been through the highs and lows this team has offered. Now we are on to another year and I have never seen so much resentment toward our FO and team. This is OUR team people! If you don't like the Bills, then follow Peters to Philly. If you want a guaranteed playoff every year, then be a Patriot fan. Me, I want to be here when the Bills finally win a Super Bowl, so I can enjoy what it felt like to be a real fan of both Buffalo and Football

With all due respect, that is a prejudiced and narrow minded post. The opposite of love is not hate. The opposite of love is indifference. Love and hate are equally strong emotions. Love can turn to hate in the space of one argument. You have to be emotionally invested in something or someone in order to hate. No emotional investment = indifference. All these people bitching their heads off are doing so because they have very strong emotions regarding the Bills. I don't give a crap about Seattle, or Green Bay, or Houston or Paris Hilton or Mel Gibson or brussels sprouts. I give a crap about the Bills, therefore I B word when bitching is in order. And it is very much in order. And just for the record, I was born and raised in Buffalo and saw them come into the AFL.

 

Enough has been written about Wilson, Jauron, the FO, Schonert, Peters, Losman, 9 years without a playoff appearance, third consecutive year of 7-9, collapsing after starting 5-1, and on and on and on. This organization has been a mess for several years and everyone knows it. Some Bills fans have switched to other teams. Well....buh bye! Their new team will fall on hard times sooner or later. 'Tis the nature of the NFL beast. A vast majority of Bills fans are sick and tired of the mediocrity and ineptitude that the Bills organization has displayed over the last several years. And because they care so deeply about the Bills, they B word.

 

If you want to get upset about something, get upset when the Bills have another bad year and they stop bitching.

[damj]

I have been a fan for 21 years and to hold your optimism or to boldy tell people like myself to find another team because I dont like what mine is doing is wrong. The Bills organization at this moment is baffeling. Talking about adding more games in Toronto- first I am an american not candian and second I am a bills fan not a hybrid fan I dont like sharing games in another contry in a neutral site tha gives us no advantage.

 

Then you get rid of your center/LG and star left tackle after building back up fan hope with the sigining of TO well who the hell is going to protect our injury prone QB rookies are you kidding me I am suppose to remain optimistic over that.

 

Now I am reading that dominc rhodes was told he was mstlikely going to be the starter during lynches suspension. What the hell is the franchise looking at? I would rather have Jackson starting over him which leads to the next question is jackson the next to be traded becuase we dont want to pay him what hes worth.

 

 

Now ontop of that we are trading away our top return man in the leaugue. Not that I am opposed to trading him but for a 5-6 round pick thats a freakin joke.

 

Kelsay needs to be traded never thought he should have been resigned in the first place.

 

Keeping DJ after going 0-6 in the division and not improving his team the last two months is another joke.

 

Realistically this team has, barring any decent trades and based on the current schedule current roster and ROOKIES comng on our team, the abilty to be worse than the last three years!!!

 

So just as you have a right to express your thoughts we have the right to express yours some will agree and some will disagree.The fact is this team that has complained about the lack of talent has done nothing outside of the TO to improve that talent except by stock piling draft picks whcih they have not been good at drafting the last decade as well as trading away their most talented players.

 

But I have come to the conclusion I have no expectaions for the upcoming season I still watch every game hoping this team can prove me wrong and then hop the next off season is different, The fact is until Ralph is gone this team in his twilight is never going to improve to be a top 12 team in this leaugue. I except it I dont understand but i except it.

 

The only way my loyality fails this team is when the fail me by putting more games in another county that is not my own!!!!!!!!!!

Well said Poeticlaw ... SWBuffalo ... you could learn something about posting an intelligent, well thought argument.

[Poeticlaw]

With all due respect, that is a prejudiced and narrow minded post. The opposite of love is not hate. The opposite of love is indifference. Love and hate are equally strong emotions. Love can turn to hate in the space of one argument. You have to be emotionally invested in something or someone in order to hate. No emotional investment = indifference. All these people bitching their heads off are doing so because they have very strong emotions regarding the Bills. I don't give a crap about Seattle, or Green Bay, or Houston or Paris Hilton or Mel Gibson or brussels sprouts. I give a crap about the Bills, therefore I B word when bitching is in order. And it is very much in order. And just for the record, I was born and raised in Buffalo and saw them come into the AFL.

 

Enough has been written about Wilson, Jauron, the FO, Schonert, Peters, Losman, 9 years without a playoff appearance, third consecutive year of 7-9, collapsing after starting 5-1, and on and on and on. This organization has been a mess for several years and everyone knows it. Some Bills fans have switched to other teams. Well....buh bye! Their new team will fall on hard times sooner or later. 'Tis the nature of the NFL beast. A vast majority of Bills fans are sick and tired of the mediocrity and ineptitude that the Bills organization has displayed over the last several years. And because they care so deeply about the Bills, they B word.

 

If you want to get upset about something, get upset when the Bills have another bad year and they stop bitching.

 

I live in NE- I can attest to the NE fans who have complaind about every facet of their team over the last 21 years. They have had their downs for so long that when they finally had their ups it still did not stop them from complaing about certain players, or coaches (not known as belicheck) ITs part of being a fan you state your likes and dislike about a team. Its not all rosed color galsses and not everyone will share the same view I.E. Johnson/Flutie Losman/Trent or even Jason peters for that matter.

 

The fact is this is a fansite where we have the right to post questions, talk about things we like and things we dont like.

Alot of us dont like what the organization has been doing over the last decade that does not diminish our fan loyality to the team and one could question the oes who dont get upset about what the organizations has done. I am never oppsed to change what I am oppsed to its not having a team philosphy, Defense philosphy, offense philosphy and sign and draft players and coaches that fit the philosphy consistently.

 

I also have to disagree on the OL addition by subtraction doesnt always work when you are grooming a Young QB, look at the OL we have had over the last 10 years none were that good and we constantly plugged in draftees and second tier players to fill the hole. Sorry but history dictates that I shouldnt be expecting any improvement over the previos years. I can hope for one but i shouldnt expect one. Considering the line his the heart and soul of the offense that is another can of worms I am not looking forward to watching but do hope its better than the disaster I am anticpating on watching. For those with short term memories their were a few years when we were rebuilding the line like now where we had to keep 5 OLthe FB RB and TE back to block so we had a shot at TWO RECIVERS sometimes 3 but rarely its was the worse offense showing ever. I dont want to see that again especially with the talent at WR and RB this season.

 

I cannot control what this team does but I certainly have the right to express my displeasure as well as getting other insights on the team that vary from my own.

 

I am a "BUFFALO" Bills Fan and will be until the day that they are not part of BUFFALO. I can live with the ups and downs of the team as I cannot control them. Though it is pretty tiresome knowing that everyone who is not a Bills fan knows that our team does not do what it takes to build a winning team.

 

If this team is ever going to be succesful I actually beleive its the scouting dept that needs to be upgraded. If we are builidng our team through the draft which is waht it seems we have been trying to do. You would think we would have a btter gauge on the talent thats in the draft not just 1-3 rounds but the crucial 4-7 where you try to find diamonds in the rough like brady.

[Guest dog14787]

"You can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time" a poet once wrote

 

Or better yet and one of my favorites,

 

"You can fool some of the people all the time, all the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time." Per Abraham Lincoln.

 

 

If you didn't debate things here on TSW and share different perspectives, you might as well just read a sports column.

 

We just took a heavy blow by losing Jason Peters recently and there's allot of different opinions floating around concerning the trade. Some folks think the sky is falling because of it, others think its starting to look allot like Christmas with the draft less then a week away.

 

Different strokes for different folks.

 

This forum has allot of adversity, knowledge and character wrapped up in it and I wouldn't have it any other way.

[SWBuffalo]

Well said Poeticlaw ... SWBuffalo ... you could learn something about posting an intelligent, well thought argument.

 

That was not a well thought out argument...it only catered to your personal beliefs. I actually believe the opposite on many points, which are earlier in the post. Actually, my post wasn't an argument, it was an opinion. This opinion was placed with the sole purpose of sparking a discussion and that is what has occurred. And really, if you have an "intelligent, well thought out argument" of your own, i suggest you give one, instead of quoting others.

 

Oh, and...GO BILLS!!!