Sources: Peters to Eagles for three picks

[Sisyphean Bills]

Hard ball, baby! Way to go Brandon! Saved some cash and the Bills have no left side of their offensive line.

 

On the bright side, maybe Terrell Owens can play LT.

 

They must be really high on/with Fitzpatrick...

[In space no one can hear]

I wonder what Deep Voice would have to say about all this Peters ruckus?

[Big Turk]

Not happy with the compensation. Wanted more...the 20th instead of the 28th, and a 3rd instead of a 4th. Not happy.

 

I agree...to let the Eagles give their 2nd 1st round pick instead of their 1st is inexcusable. Peters is about as good a LT as you are gonna get---I would have let the Eagles know that their 21st pick was the pick needed to seal the deal and let them know to call back when they were ready to part with it. I'd be willing to be either next Friday or during the draft next Saturday, they would have pulled the trigger...The Bills basically gave Peters away for much less than they could have gotten on draft day or immediately preceding it...

[cåblelady]

They must be really high

[lets_go_bills]

Just got on my computer now... my God.

[The Dean]

Just got on my computer now... my God.

 

 

 

There's more that happened today, too.

 

enjoy the freak show

[lets_go_bills]

 

There's more that happened today, too.

 

enjoy the freak show

 

lol, I know! I got off my computer at noon and was out all day. I get home and BOOM!

 

Not that this was a shocker, but it certainly is some big freaking news.

 

We've had quite the offseason, huh!?

[bowery4]

Poor Trent! this is just stupid, now they trade Rosco and we lose two players who start and are the best (or close to it) at what they do, RW = cheap and I never said that b4.

[folz]

I'm not debating that Jason has a ton of talent...he does, but being the best in the NFL

is a lot more than talent or size. It takes commitment, heart, team unity, strong work

ethic, etc. Does Peters have all of these qualities? Maybe, but there is definitely some

doubt in my mind after last season...

 

Now with this doubt, would I sign him as the highest paid lineman in the league...probably

not.

 

It never really bothered me when Bruce Smith would complain about his pay because

I would say well he IS the best in the game (apologies to Reggie White)...you knew what

you were going to get from Bruce every play, every game, year in and year out, but right

now I can't say the same thing for Jason, no matter what the media says...hell they thought

Willis McGahee was a HUGE pickup for Baltimore, but as we all knew, Willis lacked many of

those intangible NFL qualities. So, to spend the kind of money Peters was asking would have

been a big risk for the team (if they were questioning his heart, or drive, or work ethic, or

desire to play for the Bills).

 

Now, could Peters go to Philly and play awesome for many years to come? Sure, but how many

on this board would bet that he plays at the caliber of the best LT in the league for say the next

four years. Would you bet $1,000 on it? How about twelve million a year?

 

Love of the game makes great players, and players will take slightly less to stay somewhere they

want to be. If Peters would only stay in Buffalo if he was made the highest paid LT in the game that

says to me it is more about ego with him or feeling as if he's been slighted by the team or wanting to

go to a proven winner, in any case it calls into question if he really wanted to be here. And why would

anyone want a player on their team that doesn't want to be there. Do you think you'll get his all, all of the time?

 

I wish things could have worked out and we kept Peters, but after last year there had to be some

compromise from Jason's side, not highest paid or else...there is no way his holdout didn't hurt the

team last year and they weren't going to go through it again...with new players on the O-Line this year

they need to start getting some continuity as quick as possible and a Peter's holdout would kill that.

 

And I also wish the compensation was higher, but we don't really know what goes on with NFL deals...just because

someone on a message board or in the media says he's worth a 1st and a 3rd, doesn't make it so. Tim's

article did say the Giants were also interested...I think the deal with Philly was the best we were going to

get. So I'm happy we got the extra picks and got rid of a player who wasn't thinking football and team (Bills) first.

 

Yes, this could mean a half step back this year if we don't find someone to play LT solidly

(which isn't a given one way or the other), but I think ultimately it was a good move for the future of the Bills.

[davefan66]

I'm not debating that Jason has a ton of talent...he does, but being the best in the NFL

is a lot more than talent or size. It takes commitment, heart, team unity, strong work

ethic, etc. Does Peters have all of these qualities? Maybe, but there is definitely some

doubt in my mind after last season...

 

Now with this doubt, would I sign him as the highest paid lineman in the league...probably

not.

 

It never really bothered me when Bruce Smith would complain about his pay because

I would say well he IS the best in the game (apologies to Reggie White)...you knew what

you were going to get from Bruce every play, every game, year in and year out, but right

now I can't say the same thing for Jason, no matter what the media says...hell they thought

Willis McGahee was a HUGE pickup for Baltimore, but as we all knew, Willis lacked many of

those intangible NFL qualities. So, to spend the kind of money Peters was asking would have

been a big risk for the team (if they were questioning his heart, or drive, or work ethic, or

desire to play for the Bills).

 

Now, could Peters go to Philly and play awesome for many years to come? Sure, but how many

on this board would bet that he plays at the caliber of the best LT in the league for say the next

four years. Would you bet $1,000 on it? How about twelve million a year?

 

Love of the game makes great players, and players will take slightly less to stay somewhere they

want to be. If Peters would only stay in Buffalo if he was made the highest paid LT in the game that

says to me it is more about ego with him or feeling as if he's been slighted by the team or wanting to

go to a proven winner, in any case it calls into question if he really wanted to be here. And why would

anyone want a player on their team that doesn't want to be there. Do you think you'll get his all, all of the time?

 

I wish things could have worked out and we kept Peters, but after last year there had to be some

compromise from Jason's side, not highest paid or else...there is no way his holdout didn't hurt the

team last year and they weren't going to go through it again...with new players on the O-Line this year

they need to start getting some continuity as quick as possible and a Peter's holdout would kill that.

 

And I also wish the compensation was higher, but we don't really know what goes on with NFL deals...just because

someone on a message board or in the media says he's worth a 1st and a 3rd, doesn't make it so. Tim's

article did say the Giants were also interested...I think the deal with Philly was the best we were going to

get. So I'm happy we got the extra picks and got rid of a player who wasn't thinking football and team (Bills) first.

 

Yes, this could mean a half step back this year if we don't find someone to play LT solidly

(which isn't a given one way or the other), but I think ultimately it was a good move for the future of the Bills.

 

 

Yes. Especially about heart and strong work ethic.

 

He may end up being the best LT in NFL history, God knows he has the

physical tools. The mental tools is up for debate.

 

My gut feeling is he plays well for Philly this year, and within a few years is considered

a bust, and the Bills ripped off the Eagles.

 

Enjoy the payday while it lasts Peters....

[The Dean]

Now, could Peters go to Philly and play awesome for many years to come? Sure, but how many

on this board would bet that he plays at the caliber of the best LT in the league for say the next

four years. Would you bet $1,000 on it? How about twelve million a year?

 

 

If i were the Bills I would have bet the $25 mil, that he would do it for the next TWO years. Then they could trade him, if he asked for more $$. I'm certain he would come to camp this year, and I'm fairly certain he would next year, too. After that, I have my doubts.

[Dan]

The link: http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afceast

 

And this should tell us all we need to know about the relationship between Peters and the Bills:

I think that quote does indeed say it all. For a year and a half he and his agent said next to nothing to the FO. In one afternoon, Peters - no agent - is sitting down talking about a deal. For whatever reason, he just didn't seem like he wanted to be here the last year or so. Paying him may have made him stay, but would it have made him play hard or would he continue to sit with the slightest injury? It appears more and more that Brandon may have had few options afterall.

 

For me, the jury is out on this trade until I see 2 things. 1. What we do on draft day with these picks. 2. What type of player Peters becomes over the next year or 2.

[Mile High]

People seem to forget he was a UDFA. Who cares at least we got something for him, he didn't want to play in Buffalo anyway.

[nucci]

People seem to forget he was a UDFA. Who cares at least we got something for him, he didn't want to play in Buffalo anyway.

Why is that relevant?

[Sisyphean Bills]

Why is that relevant?

It's not.

[BobDVA]

Now that Philly has an in with our FO as a trading partner, maybe we can get them to trade Our #11 for their #21, a fifth round this year, seventh next year. Should be easy, we are already bent over and lubed..... The Peters trade should have been their #21 and a third round this year!

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

<----See the guy in my avatar? That's all you need to know.

[The Dean]

I think that quote does indeed say it all. For a year and a half he and his agent said next to nothing to the FO. In one afternoon, Peters - no agent - is sitting down talking about a deal. For whatever reason, he just didn't seem like he wanted to be here the last year or so. Paying him may have made him stay, but would it have made him play hard or would he continue to sit with the slightest injury? It appears more and more that Brandon may have had few options afterall.

 

Based on what I've heard, that's the bottom line, here. I'm not saying the Bills were eager to step up and pay that kind of money, but they were close enough for discussions. Supposedly the Peters camp was unreachable, particularly Peters himself, who hasn't returned phone calls for quite some time. The negotiation with Parker was less than collegial, as well. IMO, there is more at play here than the money (which obviously plays a big part in nearly all negotiations). I think the events of last year left a bad taste in the mouth of both sides.

 

On the NFL Network, this morning, TJ Houshmandzadeh and Solomon Wilcots were discussing Chad Johnson Cinco, and a possible trade to Philly. TJ said, while he and Chad are "boys" and Chad is liked on the team, players don't want guys on the team who don't want to be there. And both he and Wilcots agreed that, when a player doesn't want to be somewhere, you simply do not get the best out of that player no matter how much you pay him. I'd have to say I agree with that, and have experienced it first, and second, hand in my personal life. It's not even that you purposefully slack (though you might), it's simply you aren't in the best mental frame of mind to do your absolute best.

 

Like you, I will wait until making a final decision on the trade. On the surface, it looks like the Bills got hosed, as they could have easily paid Peters the coin he got from Philly, should have gotten a better deal from Philly, pulled the trigger on the deal too soon to get maximum value, and involve other teams...etc. They had other options. But, I have a feeling they wanted a fresh start, and wanted to go into the draft with a clean slate (with regards to this matter).

 

I have a feeling the Bills FO draft meetings, which I think started this week, may have been a part of moving this along. They probably gave Brandon the go-ahead to make the best deal ASAP. Word is Philly has been an active shopper for Peters for some time, and I'm sure negotiations were further along than with any other team.

[Sisyphean Bills]

Based on what I've heard, that's the bottom line, here. I'm not saying the Bills were eager to step up and pay that kind of money, but they were close enough for discussions. Supposedly the Peters camp was unreachable, particularly Peters himself, who hasn't returned phone calls for quite some time. The negotiation with Parker was less than collegial, as well. IMO, there is more at play here than the money (which obviously plays a big part in nearly all negotiations). I think the events of last year left a bad taste in the mouth of both sides.

 

On the NFL Network, this morning, TJ Houshmandzadeh and Solomon Wilcots were discussing Chad Johnson Cinco, and a possible trade to Philly. TJ said, while he and Chad are "boys" and Chad is liked on the team, players don't want guys on the team who don't want to be there. And both he and Wilcots agreed that, when a player doesn't want to be somewhere, you simply do not get the best out of that player no matter how much you pay him. I'd have to say I agree with that, and have experienced it first, and second, hand in my personal life. It's not even that you purposefully slack (though you might), it's simply you aren't in the best mental frame of mind to do your absolute best.

 

Like you, I will wait until making a final decision on the trade. On the surface, it looks like the Bills got hosed, as they could have easily paid Peters the coin he got from Philly, should have gotten a better deal from Philly, pulled the trigger on the deal too soon to get maximum value, and involve other teams...etc. They had other options. But, I have a feeling they wanted a fresh start, and wanted to go into the draft with a clean slate (with regards to this matter).

 

I have a feeling the Bills FO draft meetings, which I think started this week, may have been a part of moving this along. They probably gave Brandon the go-ahead to make the best deal ASAP. Word is Philly has been an active shopper for Peters for some time, and I'm sure negotiations were further along than with any other team.

Sometimes it is inevitable, of course. But, you and I both know that good management takes it as a primary responsibility to keep their charges content so that they can focus on the job. If you weren't happy in your job and your boss responded by telling you through a broadcast email to all hands to "be a man and suck it up", it's pretty likely that the office culture would be seen as suddenly toxic.

[The Dean]

Sometimes it is inevitable, of course. But, you and I both know that good management takes it as a primary responsibility to keep their charges content so that they can focus on the job. If you weren't happy in your job and your boss responded by telling you through a broadcast email to all hands to "be a man and suck it up", it's pretty likely that the office culture would be seen as suddenly toxic.

 

 

Sure, but the nature of any organization is, no matter what you do, you will have some unhappy people...there are too many variables. And, as you know, a bad incident, or two, can really change the situation. If you want to use "real world" (as opposed to NFL) analogies, a guy gets singled out and chastised at a meeting for a team failure, he starts griping to anyone who will listen that he is "getting screwed", he starts taking days off and shirking at his job while letting eveyone knows he isn't getting a raise he deserves, management sends the broadcast email you refer to...etc. Who is at fault? Depends on what side you are on, and really doesn't matte in the final analysis. The guy probably isn't going to be the best employee going forward and management probably isn't going to value/trust him enough going forward. The water has been too poisoned.

 

I'm not saying the Bills are blameless here...they aren't. But, Peters and Parker made it tough for the Bills to repair any damage that may have been done...they were unavailable (psychologically and, well literally, from what I hear).