joe w bags Posted April 16, 2009 Posted April 16, 2009 Just asking: If the commissioner were to ask you to speak up to save team in Buffalo, in light of area not having corporate $, and fans paying lowest ticket prices in the entire NFL , why should Buffalo have a team. What is in it for the rest of the league. What would you tell him in defense of the area and city to justify having a team . Secondarily if a new ownership group purchased team and told you they would need raise ticket 35% that would help them recoup purchase expenses and build new stadium ect. would you be on board. Average ticket prices for Bills games were last in league at 51.24 on average last season, suppose they raised this average to $70.00. Fine to hope and ask for others to put money into team, how much is to much for you?
pBills Posted April 16, 2009 Posted April 16, 2009 I would answer that question with a question... why does Jacksonville have a team?
joe w bags Posted April 16, 2009 Author Posted April 16, 2009 with respect , who cares about Jacksonville, this is Buffalo. I would answer that question with a question... why does Jacksonville have a team?
joe w bags Posted April 16, 2009 Author Posted April 16, 2009 Thanks oldster.... Nice question by a newbie
PromoTheRobot Posted April 16, 2009 Posted April 16, 2009 I would answer that question with a question... why does Jacksonville have a team? Jacksonville = growing area Buffalo = stagnant area. That said, these would be my arguements for keeping the Bills in Buffalo: >Enourmous regional market when including So. Ontario. >Well-supported heritage franchise. >Adequate debt-free facility >Untapped revenue potential in Canada >We have our own movies (Buffalo 66, Second String) >America loves an underdog...and we are the mangiest dogs around! PTR
kota Posted April 16, 2009 Posted April 16, 2009 It's a simple answer really. The NFL is about the fans right? Well the Bills have one of the largest stadiums in the NFL. The Bills sell out most of their games regardless of record. Plus the economy of Buffalo isn't exactly great. The housing market alone isn't very good. YOu can buy homes for 10k or less. Even with the Economy the fans are willing to spend the money to attend football games. If you compare the Bills stadium and sellout stats they are way above alot of other clubs. Jacksonville throws up large advertisement tarps to block seats so they can sellout. The Arizona Cardinals had issues selling out the NFC championship game. Both of these things haven't happened in buffalo or wouldn't happen. If the NFL is truely about the fans then Buffalo deserves to have a team.
joe w bags Posted April 16, 2009 Author Posted April 16, 2009 thank you for your response, my question was not to be wise , Jacksonville = growing area Buffalo = stagnant area. That said, these would be my arguements for keeping the Bills in Buffalo: >Enourmous regional market when including So. Ontario. >Well-supported heritage franchise. >Adequate debt-free facility >Untapped revenue potential in Canada >We have our own movies (Buffalo 66, Second String) >America loves an underdog...and we are the mangiest dogs around! PTR
May Day 10 Posted April 16, 2009 Posted April 16, 2009 if we had ownership who was clearly committed to Buffalo, and put forth an effort to win. I would have no problem paying double what I currently pay for a season ticket. I would also say the fans here are fans through and through. We sell out even after a decade of shite. when/if things are going good, profits will increase much more. There is room in the NFL for expansion. Not relocation. Losing the Bills would be the NFL losing some of its heritage.
Nightcrawler Posted April 16, 2009 Posted April 16, 2009 Dear Commissioner, Three reasons why an NFL team should remain in Buffalo #1. Buffalo is one of the original football teams. It's history of 50 years reminds of us the early beginnings of our sport. #2. Buffalo has some of the most loyal fans in the world. Games are constantly sold out. #3. Without players on the Bills such as Marshawn Lynch, Donte Whitner, Ko Simpson, etc., you have increased job security overseeing/babysitting players in the league. Buffalo plays a large part in that job security! Keep the Bills in Buffalo with a bailout. I'm sure you can ask for government help. Every other company is!
The Senator Posted April 16, 2009 Posted April 16, 2009 Just asking: If the commissioner were to ask you to speak up to save team in Buffalo, in light of area not having corporate $, and fans paying lowest ticket prices in the entire NFL , why should Buffalo have a team. What is in it for the rest of the league. What would you tell him in defense of the area and city to justify having a team . original afl team, loyal fan base for last 50 years, consistently leads the nfl in attendance, virtually debt-free stadium, profitable franchise Secondarily if a new ownership group purchased team and told you they would need raise ticket 35% that would help them recoup purchase expenses and build new stadium ect. would you be on board. Average ticket prices for Bills games were last in league at 51.24 on average last season, suppose they raised this average to $70.00. Fine to hope and ask for others to put money into team, how much is to much for you? raise it to $70 bucks, put a winning product on the field and this team sells out every game - like they always have
stuckincincy Posted April 16, 2009 Posted April 16, 2009 Just asking: If the commissioner were to ask you to speak up to save team in Buffalo, in light of area not having corporate $, and fans paying lowest ticket prices in the entire NFL , why should Buffalo have a team. What is in it for the rest of the league. What would you tell him in defense of the area and city to justify having a team . Secondarily if a new ownership group purchased team and told you they would need raise ticket 35% that would help them recoup purchase expenses and build new stadium ect. would you be on board. Average ticket prices for Bills games were last in league at 51.24 on average last season, suppose they raised this average to $70.00. Fine to hope and ask for others to put money into team, how much is to much for you? If this Commissioner, and all the owners, are willing to rebate every dime the taxpayers forked over for RWS (including time value of the gift), they can pull the team. But that would never happen.
Satan Posted April 16, 2009 Posted April 16, 2009 Dear Commissioner, Three reasons why an NFL team should remain in Buffalo #1. Buffalo is one of the original football teams. It's history of 50 years reminds of us the early beginnings of our sport. #2. Buffalo has some of the most loyal fans in the world. Games are constantly sold out. #3. Without players on the Bills such as Marshawn Lynch, Donte Whitner, Ko Simpson, etc., you have increased job security overseeing/babysitting players in the league. Buffalo plays a large part in that job security! Keep the Bills in Buffalo with a bailout. I'm sure you can ask for government help. Every other company is! Ok, I'm convinced. Thanks.
Thoner7 Posted April 16, 2009 Posted April 16, 2009 Just asking: If the commissioner were to ask you to speak up to save team in Buffalo, in light of area not having corporate $, and fans paying lowest ticket prices in the entire NFL , why should Buffalo have a team. What is in it for the rest of the league. What would you tell him in defense of the area and city to justify having a team . Secondarily if a new ownership group purchased team and told you they would need raise ticket 35% that would help them recoup purchase expenses and build new stadium ect. would you be on board. Average ticket prices for Bills games were last in league at 51.24 on average last season, suppose they raised this average to $70.00. Fine to hope and ask for others to put money into team, how much is to much for you? I would say that Buffalo having a team is more about football and tradition than about money. Buffalo is an origanal founding member of the AFL. Buffalo is a football town. They have the most loyal fan bases, something for other teams to envy. The NFL should have learned its lesson when they allowed the Browns to move to Baltimore. Furthermore, who cares if Buffalo ahs the lowest ticket prices and corperate sponsorships? One of the 32 franchises are going to be last in that category by default. So what, you justify moving the Bills for low ticket prices? What about the team that takes their place at the bottom? Do you move them a few years later? Buffalo has NEVER had a real problem with attendence OR making a profit for its owner. They will not be moved.
PromoTheRobot Posted April 16, 2009 Posted April 16, 2009 If this Commissioner, and all the owners, are willing to rebate every dime the taxpayers forked over for RWS (including time value of the gift), they can pull the team. But that would never happen. In the scheme of the NFL that would add up to pocket change for most NFL owners. Hardly a deterent. PTR
PromoTheRobot Posted April 16, 2009 Posted April 16, 2009 I would say that Buffalo having a team is more about football and tradition than about money. Buffalo is an origanal founding member of the AFL. Buffalo is a football town. They have the most loyal fan bases, something for other teams to envy. We have good fans but lack of support is not an issue in most of the NFL. The NFL should have learned its lesson when they allowed the Browns to move to Baltimore. I do believe the NFL wants to avoid a relocation issue. Furthermore, who cares if Buffalo ahs the lowest ticket prices and corperate sponsorships? One of the 32 franchises are going to be last in that category by default. So what, you justify moving the Bills for low ticket prices? What about the team that takes their place at the bottom? Do you move them a few years later? There is a difference between being last by a few pennies and being last by $20-$30. Buffalo has NEVER had a real problem with attendence OR making a profit for its owner. They will not be moved. The Bills are profitable now but only because we are debt-free. Anyone buying the Bills, unless they pay out of pocket, could never afford the debt service on the revenue this team generates. To be fair, there are few untapped markets that could generate that much revenue. The bright side of this economic collapse is that places like Las Vegas and L.A. are in now position to throw billions around to lure our Bills away. Still I would not get too cozy. PTR
Mr. WEO Posted April 16, 2009 Posted April 16, 2009 We have good fans but lack of support is not an issue in most of the NFL. I do believe the NFL wants to avoid a relocation issue. There is a difference between being last by a few pennies and being last by $20-$30. The Bills are profitable now but only because we are debt-free. Anyone buying the Bills, unless they pay out of pocket, could never afford the debt service on the revenue this team generates. To be fair, there are few untapped markets that could generate that much revenue. The bright side of this economic collapse is that places like Las Vegas and L.A. are in now position to throw billions around to lure our Bills away. Still I would not get too cozy. PTR We are not last by "$20-$30". Not even close. In 2008 the bottom 5 teams in price were within 10 bucks of eachother----completely insignificant difference if you are committing yourself to a day at the stadium. LA has had many years to "throw billions around" to get a team. Now they are broke. California is a fiscal mess. Ditto Vegas: the economy there is in a freefall as new projects are losing financing, buyers are pulling out of condo contracts, malls are defaulting on their loans and casinos are offering $40 dollar rooms.
joe w bags Posted April 16, 2009 Author Posted April 16, 2009 You are correct. But adding 35% to current prices would put Bills average at $70 which would be based on 2008 prices even with San Francisco at 14 th in league or in middle. The 28th team Seattle averaged at $61.25 We are not last by "$20-$30". Not even close. In 2008 the bottom 5 teams in price were within 10 bucks of eachother----completely insignificant difference if you are committing yourself to a day at the stadium. LA has had many years to "throw billions around" to get a team. Now they are broke. California is a fiscal mess. Ditto Vegas: the economy there is in a freefall as new projects are losing financing, buyers are pulling out of condo contracts, malls are defaulting on their loans and casinos are offering $40 dollar rooms.
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