JinWPB Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Since the Bill's have declared the need for DE help and a playmaking TE. Would not Conner Barwin fill both those needs. As a Situational pash rusher you don't need to have years of experiance in a defense or play every down. As a 4.4 forty, 260 # tight end he would demand to be accounted for downfield and should help the run game blocking too. Just a thought, standing by for the heat.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quester74 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 While I won't condemn you for your idea.. let's just pray that the guys we draft are worth a at their drafted positions, let alone at a 2nd one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidas Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 I actually really like that idea. But he wouldn't be able to be your #1 TE OR your #1 DE because he'd have to split his practice time in addition to the fact that no one has the stamina to play that many plays. He's also going to probably go in the second round, whereas a Chase Coffman might go in the third. But I like the idea. He's a Belichick kind of guy, my guess is that NE takes him in the second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flbillsfan#1 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 I actually really like that idea. But he wouldn't be able to be your #1 TE OR your #1 DE because he'd have to split his practice time in addition to the fact that no one has the stamina to play that many plays. He's also going to probably go in the second round, whereas a Chase Coffman might go in the third. But I like the idea. He's a Belichick kind of guy, my guess is that NE takes him in the second. I don't think it is a question of stamina. In the OLD DAYS guys played both offense & defense. Those guys back in the day NEVER trained in the offseason, knew nothing about conditioning, smoked & drank a lot more than most players today, I can't believe they had more stamina than todays players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PushthePile Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 I actually really like that idea. But he wouldn't be able to be your #1 TE OR your #1 DE because he'd have to split his practice time in addition to the fact that no one has the stamina to play that many plays. He's also going to probably go in the second round, whereas a Chase Coffman might go in the third. But I like the idea. He's a Belichick kind of guy, my guess is that NE takes him in the second. This guy could fill the Vrabel role in NE, I bet you he is being looked at by the Patsies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookiemonster Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 I don't think it is a question of stamina. In the OLD DAYS guys played both offense & defense. Those guys back in the day NEVER trained in the offseason, knew nothing about conditioning, smoked & drank a lot more than most players today, I can't believe they had more stamina than todays players. Yes, and they were also competing against other guys who nothing about conditioning, and smoke and drank a lot, and probably didn't have much stamina either. It is all relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidas Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 I don't think it is a question of stamina. In the OLD DAYS guys played both offense & defense. Those guys back in the day NEVER trained in the offseason, knew nothing about conditioning, smoked & drank a lot more than most players today, I can't believe they had more stamina than todays players. Yeah, I thought about that, but they weren't the athletes back then that they are today. When they ran into a real athlete like Don Hutson, and later Bob Hayes, they were just embarrassed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 This guy could fill the Vrabel role in NE, I bet you he is being looked at by the Patsies. Good News. If the Pat* want him, they'll have to take him in the first or trade one of their picks to move up around the Bills' RD2#42, because that's about where he's going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flbillsfan#1 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Yes, and they were also competing against other guys who nothing about conditioning, and smoke anddrank a lot, and probably didn't have much stamina either. It is all relevant. Agreed, but the point is they were on the field for 60 minutes with only a 15 min break at half time. That was probably the reason for halftime, to give the guys a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Good News. If the Pat* want him, they'll have to take him in the first or trade one of their picks to move up around the Bills' RD2#42, because that's about where he's going. Except that they have the 34th and 47th picks (from trades with KC and SD, respectively) as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Agreed, but the point is they were on the field for 60 minutes with only a 15 min break at half time. That was probably the reason for halftime, to give the guys a break. Yeah, I mean, these pro athletes today would certainly be able to play football for sixty minutes without keeling over and dying, I mean, they guys did it in the Arena League. But a guy playing both sides is going to get creamed by a specialist, both in terms of his freshness on each play and his training at his position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinWPB Posted April 14, 2009 Author Share Posted April 14, 2009 Yeah, I mean, these pro athletes today would certainly be able to play football for sixty minutes without keeling over and dying, I mean, they guys did it in the Arena League. But a guy playing both sides is going to get creamed by a specialist, both in terms of his freshness on each play and his training at his position. Agreed, but if you're only in on 3rd and long ect. and in rotation at TE or not at all in a 5 wide. Whats that, 15-20 plays a game? As was said Vrabel seems to do it. His TD pass catching is a matter of record. Barwin seems like a real beast who would probably get off on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Am I the only one who thought this thread was about something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Am I the only one who thought this thread was about something else? Don't drop your soap, dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Am I the only one who thought this thread was about something else? Yeah gee I never saw this BEFORE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Everyone who questions the feasibility of an NFL player playing two ways is focusing on the physical challenge. I saw a Bills defensive playbook in the 1980's. It was over 200 pages long. The game is extremely complex in the NFL compared to college. The biggest hurdle would be mental, not physical. Regardless, between the two factors I agree he would make only limited but perhaps important contributions on both sides of the ball. From Barwin's standpoint I'm sure he would rather be (for the sake of $) a pass rusher than a tight end. Whoever drafts him would probably prefer he be a pass rusher than a tight end because pass rushers are so hard to find. So yes, Vrabel is a good comparison and I'd be fine with that but Barwin has a greater upside as he's much more athletic than Vrabel. I love Barwin as a player and would be overjoyed to get him in the 2nd round...even if the Bills took a defensive lineman in the first round. I'm in that group who'd love to see both top picks on defensive line/front 7 with offensive line in the 3rd round and tight end in the 4th round...depending of course upon who's there when we draft and the resolution of the Peters situation, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 And Like Vrabel, if you put Barwin in for a 3rd and goal now and then, he wouldn't DISlike it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Since the Bill's have declared the need for DE help and a playmaking TE.Would not Conner Barwin fill both those needs. As a Situational pash rusher you don't need to have years of experiance in a defense or play every down. As a 4.4 forty, 260 # tight end he would demand to be accounted for downfield and should help the run game blocking too. Just a thought, standing by for the heat.... No matter who drafts him. Barwin will take snaps on both sides of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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