lets_go_bills Posted April 10, 2009 Posted April 10, 2009 There are some who think he isn't the best WR in the draft. And for him to fall to #11, it is likely one, or even two WRs have already been picked. Would you be OK if the Bills picked Malcolm Jenkins, if they have him rated as the best player available? This board would crash. Many of us, myself included, would become suicidal, lol. I mean, we need a safety, but DBs can't do jack if you can't apply any pressure up front.
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted April 10, 2009 Posted April 10, 2009 Would you be OK if the Bills picked Malcolm Jenkins, if they have him rated as the best player available? i know your trying to bait me into falling for your trap how you can compare taking malcolm jenkins as being equivilant to taking crabtree. but i do not want them to take jenkins if he is there. (which he probably will be)
The Dean Posted April 10, 2009 Posted April 10, 2009 This board would crash. Many of us, myself included, would become suicidal, lol. I mean, we need a safety, but DBs can't do jack if you can't apply any pressure up front. And, DBs are far more effective, on their own, than are WRs...who are virtually powerless without a decent QB and OL. BTW, a great defensive backfield helps the pass rush quite a bit. Ever hear of a coverage sack?
H2o Posted April 10, 2009 Posted April 10, 2009 This mock isn't that terrible. I have seen worse. I'm telling you guys, Crabtree is the younger version of Larry Fitzgerald. He has that kind of skillset. His routes are excellent, his ability after the catch is excellent, and his hands are excellent. This guy will be a Pro Bowl WR in the NFL by year 2 or 3 and everyone will be wondering why didn't the Bills take him if we do pass him over. JMO.
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted April 10, 2009 Posted April 10, 2009 BTW, a great defensive backfield helps the pass rush quite a bit. Ever hear of a coverage sack? that opens up a whole can of worms akin to the "chicken/egg" debate what is more effective a coverage sack, or a stong line that puts pressure on a qb which makes average db's look good
lets_go_bills Posted April 10, 2009 Posted April 10, 2009 And, DBs are far more effective, on their own, than are WRs...who are virtually powerless without a decent QB and OL. BTW, a great defensive backfield helps the pass rush quite a bit. Ever hear of a coverage sack? Yeah, but IMO those are trumped by the fact that you can't cover all day. Any good QB will find a target if he has all day to throw. A pass rush hurries QBs, prevents them from stepping up in the pocket and forces bad throws, which can turn into turnovers which are the most telling stat in football. There are two sides to the debate, no doubt, but to me the pass rush takes precedent over DBs. JMHO.
The Dean Posted April 10, 2009 Posted April 10, 2009 i know your trying to bait me into falling for your trap how you can compare taking malcolm jenkins as being equivilant to taking crabtree. but i do not want them to take jenkins if he is there. (which he probably will be) I'm not convinced Jenkins or Crabtree will be there....but, I think there is as good of an argument for Jenkins as "best available" as there is for Crabtree. Jenkins might make a big impact starting this year. The chances of Crabtree doing that are much slimmer. Still, I'd pass on both, if there was a top player available at DT, DE, LB, OT or TE, this year. Unlike some, I don't bash the Bills for their top picks the past three years, because those picks have been terrific players. The Bills got exactly what they thought they got. But, now the team needs to shore up certain positions...and there are some good players available at those positions. The Bills haven't drafted many offensive, or defensive, lineman on the first day, recently. I wasn't that concerned, because they went out in FA and addressed some of those needs. But, some of those moves (and some of their picks) didn't work out, and those positions still need to be addressed. They didn't do it if FA this offseason (at least not yet). The Bills have had great success with their DB picks the past few years. The need to capitalize on that success, and pick some guys at positions where they lack depth (or even starters)...of course, if they don't like the players in those positions, then they should have done more in FA. I'm assuming they like the TEs and DEs (and maybe OTs and LBs) in the draft, because they passed on them in FA.
The Dean Posted April 10, 2009 Posted April 10, 2009 Yeah, but IMO those are trumped by the fact that you can't cover all day. Any good QB will find a target if he has all day to throw. A pass rush hurries QBs, prevents them from stepping up in the pocket and forces bad throws, which can turn into turnovers which are the most telling stat in football.There are two sides to the debate, no doubt, but to me the pass rush takes precedent over DBs. JMHO. I don't disagree. I was pointing out that DBs really do make a difference, and they are less dependent on others, than WRs, when it comes to making a difference to a team.
lets_go_bills Posted April 10, 2009 Posted April 10, 2009 I don't disagree. I was pointing out that DBs really do make a difference, and they are less dependent on others, than WRs, when it comes to making a difference to a team. Absolutely. WRs are rendered useless if you don't have a QB who can get him the ball, a line to give him time or a second WR to take double coverage away. DBs are less dependent on others than WRs, for sure.
scoring is not hardy Posted April 10, 2009 Posted April 10, 2009 http://www.nfldraftspecialist.com/roundsn....t=65&end=96 This has to be the worst I have seen, check out all the rounds
H2o Posted April 10, 2009 Posted April 10, 2009 http://www.nfldraftspecialist.com/roundsn....t=65&end=96 This has to be the worst I have seen, check out all the rounds We get Beanie Wells in the 2nd and James Davis in the 3rd Yeah, that's pretty bad. edit: The guy even still has Greg Hardy / DE / Ole Miss being drafted in the 2nd. He didn't even declare for the draft. Jermaine Gresham in the 2nd too The worst part is that it was updated today.
lets_go_bills Posted April 10, 2009 Posted April 10, 2009 We get Beanie Wells in the 2nd and James Davis in the 3rd Yeah, that's pretty bad. edit: The guy even still has Greg Hardy / DE / Ole Miss being drafted in the 2nd. He didn't even declare for the draft. Jermaine Gresham in the 2nd too The worst part is that it was updated today. lol.
Jeffery Lester Posted April 10, 2009 Posted April 10, 2009 http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writ...ex.html?eref=T1 I have maintained that Buffalo needs to get better on offense, I would be thrilled if Buffalo had the opportunity to pick Michael Crabtree, Jeremey Maclin or Brandon Pettigrew in the first round. I would like Pettigrew later in the round if a trade were possible though. 14th on defense 29th on offense. It is really quite simple on where the real improvement needs to be. TO glad to have him now, but does anyone expect him to be here next year.
Gordio Posted April 10, 2009 Posted April 10, 2009 There are some who think he isn't the best WR in the draft. And for him to fall to #11, it is likely one, or even two WRs have already been picked. Would you be OK if the Bills picked Malcolm Jenkins, if they have him rated as the best player available? Dean, I think you are underestimating Crabtree quite a bit. There is not a receiver even close to this kid as terms of talent in this years draft. With that being said, if he falls to the bills they really should give a long look at taking him, or at the least putting the pick up for auction.
Magox Posted April 10, 2009 Posted April 10, 2009 This mock isn't that terrible. I have seen worse. I'm telling you guys, Crabtree is the younger version of Larry Fitzgerald. He has that kind of skillset. His routes are excellent, his ability after the catch is excellent, and his hands are excellent. This guy will be a Pro Bowl WR in the NFL by year 2 or 3 and everyone will be wondering why didn't the Bills take him if we do pass him over. JMO. No way!! He is no where near close to Fitzgerald. I remember seeing Fitz play in college, and I knew he was destined to be a great widereceiver. What makes Fitz so great is that he will beat out anyone on that deep pass. I've never seen someone time the deepball and position themselves as good as Fitz. Crabtree does'nt possess 1/5 of the ability that Fitz does on the deep ball. Crabtree is 6 ' 1 and probably doesn't even run a 4.5 40. Not that speed is everything, because it obviously isn't, but you guyz have to remember, that he comes from a football program that has an offensive genius running the show, and that his stats have propped him to a level beyond what many draft experts say he should be. I'm not saying that he is going to be a bad WR or average, what I'm saying is that, there is no way in hell we should even consider him as our WR. We have two WR's that we drafted last year, and you have to give them at least another year to judge them more fairly, we have T.O for this year, and this team has needs that are much more pressing than WR. If he was a can't miss prospect, then I'd say he should be considered, but he is far from can't miss.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 10, 2009 Posted April 10, 2009 Drafting EXCLUSIVELY on need is a chump's game. Drafting "the best player available" is nearly meaningless without including need as context. Uh, what? Drafting "best player available" is the chump's game, especially without the need context. That's how the Bills have been drafting lately. Context-less BPA.
Magox Posted April 10, 2009 Posted April 10, 2009 Uh, what? Drafting "best player available" is the chump's game, especially without the need context. That's how the Bills have been drafting lately. Context-less BPA. I don't think you understood what he was trying to say....
H2o Posted April 10, 2009 Posted April 10, 2009 No way!! He is no where near close to Fitzgerald. I remember seeing Fitz play in college, and I knew he was destined to be a great widereceiver. What makes Fitz so great is that he will beat out anyone on that deep pass. I've never seen someone time the deepball and position themselves as good as Fitz. Crabtree does'nt possess 1/5 of the ability that Fitz does on the deep ball. Crabtree is 6 ' 1 and probably doesn't even run a 4.5 40. Not that speed is everything, because it obviously isn't, but you guyz have to remember, that he comes from a football program that has an offensive genius running the show, and that his stats have propped him to a level beyond what many draft experts say he should be. I'm not saying that he is going to be a bad WR or average, what I'm saying is that, there is no way in hell we should even consider him as our WR. We have two WR's that we drafted last year, and you have to give them at least another year to judge them more fairly, we have T.O for this year, and this team has needs that are much more pressing than WR. If he was a can't miss prospect, then I'd say he should be considered, but he is far from can't miss. You must not have watched Crabtree my friend. They DO have a similar skillset. The only thing that Crabtree can't do like Fitz is leap quite as high. Fitzgerald also didn't run a sub 4.5 forty time either friend. http://www.e-sports.com/articles/1537/1/Mi...sire/Page1.html just for you You can keep on hating on Crabtree if you want, but the guy IS going to get it done on the pro level with or without the "Magox Seal of Approval". Watch the video and take it all in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aJZsjImymc
The Dean Posted April 10, 2009 Posted April 10, 2009 Uh, what? Drafting "best player available" is the chump's game, especially without the need context. That's how the Bills have been drafting lately. Context-less BPA. No, I don't think they have been. I think there are many here who refuse to acknowledge the context, but the Bills have used a combination of need and BPA that almost all teams use.
BuffaloBill Posted April 10, 2009 Posted April 10, 2009 No, I don't think they have been. I think there are many here who refuse to acknowledge the context, but the Bills have used a combination of need and BPA that almost all teams use. Your Av makes me dizzy Aside from that I agree with your point here.
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