Big Brother getting Bigger in Europe

[KD in CA]

Looks like the "progressives" are at it again. Why can't we be more them them?

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/136610

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Big brother is getting bigger

 

And Leon is getting Laaaaarger

[IDBillzFan]

Looks like the "progressives" are at it again. Why can't we be more them them?

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/136610

I think protocol dictates that we can't be more like them until they accept our apology for being so arrogant.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

I think protocol dictates that we can't be more like them until they accept our apology for being so arrogant.

Must have been when we so arrogantly asked them to help us in the run-up to Iraq. You know, the whole "no blood for oil" thing.

[Bad Lieutenant]

Looks like the "progressives" are at it again. Why can't we be more them them?[url="http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/136610"]

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"Why can't we be more them them?" What an idiot!

[KD in CA]

Could someone from the right please butcher some grammar so Bad Lieutenant has something else to contribute, please? My thanks in advance.

 

Sure thing...see above. Catching a typo is apparently the high point of his day.

[OCinBuffalo]

"Why can't we be more them them?" What an idiot!

Ah yes, hiding behind the lame refuge of grammar mistakes when somebody brings up a rational concern regarding privacy. This is bullschit in every way possible, but because it's happening in Europe, that of course means its a good idea, since everything Europe does is good.

 

Once again, in an all out effort to defend your eternal "be more like Europe" ethos, no straw is unworthy of your grasp. How absurd you are, far past the point of ridiculous.

[KD in CA]

Ah yes, hiding behind the lame refuge of grammar mistakes when somebody brings up a rational concern regarding privacy. This is bullschit in every way possible, but because it's happening in Europe, that of course means its a good idea, since everything Europe does is good.

 

It continues to amaze me the things that get absolutely no attention; not in the media, not here, not anywhere.

 

A law requiring complete achieves of web searches, emails, VOIP phone calls, etc. (with the cost naturally being pushed down to private business or picked up by taxpayers), and to be made accessible to "hundreds of public bodies" (to be named later).

 

I realize that much of this is already being done in some form, but still.....WTF??

 

 

I'd have loved to spend a day at the track with George Orwell.

[Bad Lieutenant]

Ah yes, hiding behind the lame refuge of grammar mistakes when somebody brings up a rational concern regarding privacy. This is bullschit in every way possible, but because it's happening in Europe, that of course means its a good idea, since everything Europe does is good.

 

Once again, in an all out effort to defend your eternal "be more like Europe" ethos, no straw is unworthy of your grasp. How absurd you are, far past the point of ridiculous.

 

Wow, the "Be more like Europe" talking point, how original. When someone plays that card it's a sure indicator that their lack of intellectually curiosity and maturity is precluding them from forming a serious opinion. I suppose this is the kind of delusional rhetoric that should be expected from someone who went on this Timothy McVeigh-esque rant-

 

Look I am in the first group of people they have to kill in order gain/keep their power: people that can build things from scratch without any help from the government or inheritance. My very existence proves their ideology to be the BS that it is, because, according to them, I don't exist. I do, so they have to get rid of me. I look at resisting them as self-defense, and so should every other small business owner, or independent contractor, or VC company founder, or inventor that wants to benefit from his/her own work.

[OCinBuffalo]

Wow, the "Be more like Europe" talking point, how original. When someone plays that card it's a sure indicator that their lack of intellectually curiosity and maturity is precluding them from forming a serious opinion. I suppose this is the kind of delusional rhetoric that should be expected from someone who went on this Timothy McVeigh-esque rant-

Dude, only an idiot can't see that the reason "Be more like Europe" exists is because idiots keep telling us that very thing, over and over. If they were saying "be more like South Africa" we would be reacting to that the very same way. Why? Because we lead, everyone else follows.

 

I don't care what it is, culture, business, sports, whatever, we expect to be the best because we are willing to look at being the best as a verb, not a noun. We don't expect to be entitled to respect just because we have 1000s of years of history, we expect to earn respect through hard work and what we are doing today. This does not make us arrogant. It simply means that many, not all, of us are willing to put in the consistent effort necessary to be better than them at life in general. It also says that we resent the hell out of the weak-asses out there who, due to nothing less than their own insecurities, tell us that we shouldn't try to be the best at what we do, because it's "not fair" when we kick their asses.

 

On my other post you quoted:

You can't deal with reality because you don't live in the real world-->that much is patently obvious.

Have you:

1. Started a company from scratch?

2. Led people? Led 10 people? Led 50 people? How about 100?

3. Had an original thought, and carried it through to reality?

4. Had somebody put their career in your hands?

5. Had somebody trust you with an effort that, if it were to fail, would cause them to say "I will be fired and my kids don't go to college"?

 

See, I can answer yes to all 5 questions. I bet you can't answer yes to one of them. Timothy McVeigh? Seriously? I bet you have a hell of a lot more in common with that loser than I do. In fact, it's an even bet that you are very like him: loser white kid, blames everybody else but himself for the fact that works at the convenient store, thinks he "knows" more than he actually does, fancy's himself some sort of "hero", etc. I have seen plenty of you "4-star" corporals in my lifetime.

 

I lead in the real world, you don't. As I said, I am the very first person people like you have to attack. You can't tolerate me, because I invalidate your lame arguments, and your little menagerie of BS you wrap yourself in. Everything I have, I created myself. Nobody handed me a thing, and therefore your whole little hick-ass world of "rich people didn't earn it" gets blown up every day just by me getting up in the morning.

[The Big Cat]

Dude, only an idiot can't see that the reason "Be more like Europe" exists is because idiots keep telling us that very thing, over and over. If they were saying "be more like South Africa" we would be reacting to that the very same way. Why? Because we lead, everyone else follows.

 

I don't care what it is, culture, business, sports, whatever, we expect to be the best because we are willing to look at being the best as a verb, not a noun. We don't expect to be entitled to respect just because we have 1000s of years of history, we expect to earn respect through hard work and what we are doing today. This does not make us arrogant. It simply means that many, not all, of us are willing to put in the consistent effort necessary to be better than them at life in general. It also says that we resent the hell out of the weak-asses out there who, due to nothing less than their own insecurities, tell us that we shouldn't try to be the best at what we do, because it's "not fair" when we kick their asses.

 

On my other post you quoted:

You can't deal with reality because you don't live in the real world-->that much is patently obvious.

Have you:

1. Started a company from scratch?

2. Led people? Led 10 people? Led 50 people? How about 100?

3. Had an original thought, and carried it through to reality?

4. Had somebody put their career in your hands?

5. Had somebody trust you with an effort that, if it were to fail, would cause them to say "I will be fired and my kids don't go to college"?

 

See, I can answer yes to all 5 questions. I bet you can't answer yes to one of them. Timothy McVeigh? Seriously? I bet you have a hell of a lot more in common with that loser than I do. In fact, it's an even bet that you are very like him: loser white kid, blames everybody else but himself for the fact that works at the convenient store, thinks he "knows" more than he actually does, fancy's himself some sort of "hero", etc. I have seen plenty of you "4-star" corporals in my lifetime.

 

I lead in the real world, you don't. As I said, I am the very first person people like you have to attack. You can't tolerate me, because I invalidate your lame arguments, and your little menagerie of BS you wrap yourself in. Everything I have, I created myself. Nobody handed me a thing, and therefore your whole little hick-ass world of "rich people didn't earn it" gets blown up every day just by me getting up in the morning.

 

<---Sarcastic.

[Bad Lieutenant]

Dude, only an idiot can't see that the reason "Be more like Europe" exists is because idiots keep telling us that very thing, over and over. If they were saying "be more like South Africa" we would be reacting to that the very same way. Why? Because we lead, everyone else follows.

 

I don't care what it is, culture, business, sports, whatever, we expect to be the best because we are willing to look at being the best as a verb, not a noun. We don't expect to be entitled to respect just because we have 1000s of years of history, we expect to earn respect through hard work and what we are doing today. This does not make us arrogant. It simply means that many, not all, of us are willing to put in the consistent effort necessary to be better than them at life in general. It also says that we resent the hell out of the weak-asses out there who, due to nothing less than their own insecurities, tell us that we shouldn't try to be the best at what we do, because it's "not fair" when we kick their asses.

 

On my other post you quoted:

You can't deal with reality because you don't live in the real world-->that much is patently obvious.

Have you:

1. Started a company from scratch?

2. Led people? Led 10 people? Led 50 people? How about 100?

3. Had an original thought, and carried it through to reality?

4. Had somebody put their career in your hands?

5. Had somebody trust you with an effort that, if it were to fail, would cause them to say "I will be fired and my kids don't go to college"?

 

See, I can answer yes to all 5 questions. I bet you can't answer yes to one of them. Timothy McVeigh? Seriously? I bet you have a hell of a lot more in common with that loser than I do. In fact, it's an even bet that you are very like him: loser white kid, blames everybody else but himself for the fact that works at the convenient store, thinks he "knows" more than he actually does, fancy's himself some sort of "hero", etc. I have seen plenty of you "4-star" corporals in my lifetime.

 

I lead in the real world, you don't. As I said, I am the very first person people like you have to attack. You can't tolerate me, because I invalidate your lame arguments, and your little menagerie of BS you wrap yourself in. Everything I have, I created myself. Nobody handed me a thing, and therefore your whole little hick-ass world of "rich people didn't earn it" gets blown up every day just by me getting up in the morning.

 

How does posting a needlessly long, bizarre, self-aggrandizing rant disprove my assertion that you're just a McVeigh-esque paranoiac? I hate to break it to you but personal success and writing 500 word right wing manifestos on a Buffalo Bills message board are mutually exclusive. And by the way I'm still waiting for your explanation as to how Obama and the Democrats "need to get rid of" you and what means of "resistance" and "self defense" you're referring to.

[OCinBuffalo]

How does posting a needlessly long, bizarre, self-aggrandizing rant disprove my assertion that you're just a McVeigh-esque paranoiac? I hate to break it to you but personal success and writing 500 word right wing manifestos on a Buffalo Bills message board are mutually exclusive. And by the way I'm still waiting for your explanation as to how Obama and the Democrats "need to get rid of" you and what means of "resistance" and "self defense" you're referring to.

Buddy this debate was over when you re-posted my quote from 10(at least) days ago. You can't get over it, just as I intended.

 

I wrote that specifically to have it bounce around in your skull and challenge your thinking. I also wrote it because I knew it would stick in your craw(and Big Cat is welcome to join you) as it so obviously has. The only obvious question left is why does it bother you so? I think I have already answered that in my post above.

 

But yeah, I'm not a principal consultant to the Fortune 500 and I can't think/type fast enough to create 500 word posts, because I am posting on a Bills message board, just like you said. LOL! Like I said, idiots.

 

If you spent more time here reading, instead of correcting grammar, you would quickly learn that I am not alone on this board in terms of personal success, not by a long shot, that many of us here are far and away smarter than you are, and

that we have been subtly making fun of you for some time, as I did with the post you can't get over.

 

And finally, you know damn well that I wasn't referring to Democrats or Obama, don't be lame. I am referring to far-left, so-called intellectual(but can't actually live up to that description and have no published material to back up that claim) socialists who hide behind the very economic/political power that capitalism provides them, but attack it because they lack the talent and/or motivation to be successful in the very system that supports and protects their weak asses. In a word, I am referring to: you.

[OCinBuffalo]

<---Sarcastic.

"No reply. There's no reply at all. There's no reply at all".

[Chef Jim]

How does posting a needlessly long, bizarre, self-aggrandizing rant disprove my assertion that you're just a McVeigh-esque paranoiac? I hate to break it to you but personal success and writing 500 word right wing manifestos on a Buffalo Bills message board are mutually exclusive. And by the way I'm still waiting for your explanation as to how Obama and the Democrats "need to get rid of" you and what means of "resistance" and "self defense" you're referring to.

 

As an objective observer of your and OC's posts here I think it's safe to say that he's not the one coming across as paranoid here.

[The Big Cat]

"No reply. There's no reply at all. There's no reply at all".

 

"And I'll forgive the lies that I heard before when you gave me no reply."

[OCinBuffalo]

As an objective observer of your and OC's posts here I think it's safe to say that he's not the one coming across as paranoid here.

I'm just tired of these wanna-be Dennis Kuciniches or wanna be Michael Moores or wanna be political operatives or wanna be Daily Kos bloggers attempting to use this board to further their own fantasies and/or attacking posters here personally, or worse, their grammar , because they can't win an argument.

 

You act like a biatch, I will slap you like one(let's see if I can illicit predictable response #23.4 from idiot-boy here)

[OCinBuffalo]

"And I'll forgive the lies that I heard before when you gave me no reply."

Nah, you'll just do your usual write one or two sentences/posts at the beginning of a thread, and, once somebody starts challenging your position with rational objection, you will punt, and we will see:

 

"No reply, no reply at all"

 

[The Big Cat]

Nah, you'll just do your usual write one or two sentences/posts at the beginning of a thread, and, once somebody starts challenging your position with rational objection, you will punt, and we will see:

 

"No reply, no reply at all"

 

 

You can call me whatever you want, but I'm going to go on a limb and say I'm younger than you by at least 10 years, and my opinion on the matter is that the negative connotation associated with "Big Brother" and "Orwellian" and all these other buzz words used to make people believe their liberties/freedom are dwindling will phase themselves out as people my age and younger are more reliant upon and complacent with the conveniences so-called "probing" technology can/will provide.

[OCinBuffalo]

You can call me whatever you want, but I'm going to go on a limb and say I'm younger than you by at least 10 years, and my opinion on the matter is that the negative connotation associated with "Big Brother" and "Orwellian" and all these other buzz words used to make people believe their liberties/freedom are dwindling will phase themselves out as people my age and younger are more reliant upon and complacent with the conveniences so-called "probing" technology can/will provide.

Ok, then I will now call you Ruprict.

 

I am happy that you are at least willing to pay more serious attention to the issue at hand. In this case, age has nothing to do with it and I am speaking from personal experience. People's level of insecurity with the government, or with security, or monitoring, is more culturally defined, rather than defined by age. But even that isn't very cut and dried, really it appears to be an individual thing more than anything. And, believe me there's a whole segment of people your age that have "proof" that they are being monitored daily by the government. How else could all of the "outrage" over Ashcroft be manufactured?

 

I can understand why you might think that people closer to your age(and I'm not so sure about the 10 years thing, I have been doing this work since I was 19) would accept monitoring, especially since they are now telling people where they are every minute of the day using social networking.

1. Like we care that you are at the (insert d-bag band here) concert.

2. I am sure that no small # of idiots will convict themselves by twittering their way into removing their own alibis for crimes, etc.

 

However, none, 0 of this excuses the government grabbing my private emails and recording them. In fact, doing so here would violate existing law. For example, if you are my doctor and I was talking to you about a medical condition I had via email, and the government swiped that email, they would be in violation of their own HIPPA law, not because of the email, but because I didn't consent to release that medical information to them.