stuckincincy Posted March 30, 2009 Author Share Posted March 30, 2009 Says the guy who answered my one question with 3 completely retarded questions. Be the better man - answer mine, take the first grab of the rung, put me in my place. Tell me why my 3 questions are retarded for, all to judge. Pick up the gauntlet and answer first, then destroy me with your certainties. Lest you shimmer weak in the light of day, with audience waiting for the tale to be told. Comrade. But we must convene tomorrow. I'm off-line soon. Ta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 So when everyone quits due to excessive taxation where is the money going to come from after that? From the savings realized due to improved work attendance and performance (assuming there are jobs) as well as the reduction of healthcare for the chronic conditions caused to tobacco use. Not to mention the increased spending on FOOD FOOD FOOD that happens when you quit smoking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 I get sick of this"we need cigarette tax's to pay health care" Does this mean universal health care passed and I missed it? The next time I go the Doctor I can mail the bill to the gov't? And before anyone thinks of mentioning Medicare/Medicaid I already pay that right out of my paycheck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Shitload= Billions. The tax hike is expected to generate $32.8 billion, all of which will go to SCHIP. According to a 1998 report from health economists at UC Berkeley, tobacco-related health costs were $72.7 billion per year. Doesn't it make more sense to just make tobacco illegal? You would ultimately more than double the number of children who would receive health care with this new tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Lieutenant Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 The tax hike is expected to generate $32.8 billion, all of which will go to SCHIP. According to a 1998 report from health economists at UC Berkeley, tobacco-related health costs were $72.7 billion per year.And about 90 billion dollars of lost productivity per year. Doesn't it make more sense to just make tobacco illegal? If I had to speculate on the cost of a "War on Tobacco" I'd estimate that it would cost approximately "a shitload of money" each and every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 And about 90 billion dollars of lost productivity per year. If I had to speculate on the cost of a "War on Tobacco" I'd estimate that it would cost approximately a shitload of money each and every year. Maybe, but think of the jobs that would be created to fight the War on Tobacco. Though in fairness, it would probably be called "Domestic Nicotine Contingency Operation." It would give his civilian military something to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmac17 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Are you serious? You really believe that removing the 8.6 million tobacco related illnesses from the health care system wouldn't save the country a whole shitload of money? i love how they come up with these numbers. They take any illness that is related to smoking - whether or not it was caused by smoking and they throw them into the pile. like the commercial I saw the other day that tried to tell me that secondhand smoke was responsible for 7 million missed school days per year. what a load of crap. (btw, I think smoking is a vile, filthy, idiotic thing to do.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 It would give his civilian military something to do. AKA Obama Youth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Cincy forming his version of the Whiskey Rebellion? Dude, get a grip... Vices have always been a taraget of revenue since the dawn of this great country. Big friggan boo-hoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 No better person to wage a war on tobacco than an ex-smoker or a smoker trying to quit. They (ex-smokers) are some of the biggest bastards around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 I'm a cigar smoker, and I have no issue with the tax. Same with alcohol. Now, legalize pot, and tax it, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 i love how they come up with these numbers. They take any illness that is related to smoking - whether or not it was caused by smoking and they throw them into the pile. like the commercial I saw the other day that tried to tell me that secondhand smoke was responsible for 7 million missed school days per year. what a load of crap. (btw, I think smoking is a vile, filthy, idiotic thing to do.) Why do they have to explain why they are taxing it? The country has been gunning for revenue like this since the 1700's... Again, no reason to explain the gov't motives... Treat it like it always has been, like talking to a 5th grader: Fifth Grader: Why are do that? Gov't: Because we can and you enjoy it, so we take more in. Fifth Grader: But... But explain why you are doing. Gov't: End of discussion, get over it. Fifth Grader: Waaaa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 I'm a cigar smoker, and I have no issue with the tax. Same with alcohol. Now, legalize pot, and tax it, too. Legalize pot and pay what price for it? Just give me a few seeds and grow my own.... How does that get taxed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Legalize pot and pay what price for it? Just give me a few seeds and grow my own.... How does that get taxed? Why not grow your own tobacco and roll your own cigs? Not everyone is so ambitious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Why not grow your own tobacco and roll your own cigs? Not everyone is so ambitious. Good idea. At least until enough people started doing it that it caused cig tax "revenue" to go down, at which point the government would decide to tax it. And of course you'd be right there cheering them on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Good idea. At least until enough people started doing it that it caused cig tax "revenue" to go down, at which point the government would decide to tax it. And of course you'd be right there cheering them on. Not the point and totally irrelevant because it would never happen. It's too much work and requires too much know-how for the vast majority of people to bother making their own tobacco, pot, booze, beer, etc... No need to be so dramatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadCap Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 So what happens to the thousands of people put out of work when tobacco is made illegal? What happens to the thousands more put out when alcohol is deemed "too risky" by the masters? What happens to the millions put out of work when they regulate what you can eat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Lieutenant Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 So what happens to the thousands of people put out of work when tobacco is made illegal? What happens to the thousands more put out when alcohol is deemed "too risky" by the masters? What happens to the millions put out of work when they regulate what you can eat? Good idea. At least until enough people started doing it that it caused cig tax "revenue" to go down, at which point the government would decide to tax it. And of course you'd be right there cheering them on. Are either of you aware that the "Slippery Slope" argument is an informal fallacy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Not the point and totally irrelevant because it would never happen. It's too much work and requires too much know-how for the vast majority of people to bother making their own tobacco, pot, booze, beer, etc... No need to be so dramatic. Booze and tobacco are not just agricultural products, there is a lot of refining that goes into the process. Pot is a weed that requires no manipulation. You plant it, water it, harvest it and smoke it. Some of the best weed I ever had was what we grew in WNY in the 70's. I've grown it on my balcony and dried it quickly in a microwave for a quickie little buz. If they legalize it I will grow it at home (as long as that is legal too) and tell the gov't to stick their taxes up their ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Booze and tobacco are not just agricultural products, there is a lot of refining that goes into the process. Pot is a weed that requires no manipulation. You plant it, water it, harvest it and smoke it. Some of the best weed I ever had was what we grew in WNY in the 70's. I've grown it on my balcony and dried it quickly in a microwave for a quickie little buz. If they legalize it I will grow it at home (as long as that is legal too) and tell the gov't to stick their taxes up their ass. I've never been inclined to grow it myself, probably mostly for fear of getting caught or because I haven't really had a good location for it or whatever. Were it legal, I still don't think I'd grow it with a house full of kids and I'm sure that there are many people who aren't very well set up to do so for a variety of reasons. I could easily brew my own beer or wine if I thought it was worth it, but it's just so much easier to not add another thing to do to my life. So I buy beer and wine and would probably buy pot in the store as well if it were legalized. Most people who would be inclined to grow their own are likely already doing so, thankfully. No I suppose they could make it technically illegal to grow your own or sell your own if they're worried about tax revenue. I'm pretty sure it's still illegal to distill your own whiskey. Either way, let's not underestimate the potential market and tax revenue here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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