ET1062 Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 Americans are highly noted for their ability to piss away money and I for one am very proud of how quickly President Obama reached the same conclusion and decided if someones going to piss away all the money it might as well to be him. Don't worry, I am sure when we fall he will take the 51st State, aka Canada, down with him!
DazedandConfused Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 One of the other issues that likely would become a lead item of discussion in any attempt to reclaim large amounts of NF, NY land to build a stadium and the ancillary private development it would trigger if you did this right is a pretty incredible legacy of toxic and nuclear waste buried in the land beneath that city. NF actually played a central role in the development of the nuclear weapons which were dropped on Japan as significant parts of the early research into building the bomb were done at sites such as the Lake Ontario Ordinance Woeks (LOOW), This story is actually one is really untold as much of this data was (and some crucial info to determine what is and what happened at the massive site) is still deemed top secret and classified. If folks want more info check out the article in a local WNY newspaper which explores facts and myths related to the site > http://blogs.artvoice.com/avdaily/2008/05/...acts-and-myths/ <. As much as 5000 acres of land in NF were part of development of this site and I believe roughly 2500 acres is deemed to unusable by human beings. The scary thing is that this site does not even include other NF nuggets like Love Canal, the first ever designated site by the Feds under the Superfund program which sought to clean-up the decades of misuse of the land, the environment, and people which was done by folks to make a nickel and escape to their vacation homes before anyone figured out what was going on. One site summarized the LOOW site as: Manhattan Project and other waste stored in the IWCS : • approximately 25,000 cubic yards of radioactive residues, • 235,000 cubic yards of contaminated soil and debris, • primary materials of concern are radium, thorium, and uranium. My sense is that any major attempt to do a major redevelopment project in NF is going to run head on into raising some issues for public discussion that liability issues makes a bunch of folk with money and power want to keep covered up.
billsfan_34 Posted March 29, 2009 Author Posted March 29, 2009 You expect an NFL owner to move a team to a location to revitalize the area? I'm not sure you understand why a team moves. A team will move to Toronto or L.A. because it sells tickets. Unless I'm mistaken, there are no wealthy owners from NF-US. Why would anyone move them there?? Again your missing the big picture. I wouldnt expect any NFL owner to move a team somewhere to revitalize. I am merely saying that a stadium in NF could possibly work. I think there is money to be made there. Thats all I am saying. And if they were to move there then the spin off of money would be nice for the area.
billsfan_34 Posted March 29, 2009 Author Posted March 29, 2009 He's the president, he has to spend our grand children's money, geesh, ours was spent a long time ago. What ever the price may be for a new stadium, lets also remember the jobs it creates to build that stadium, the jobs it creates in the development around the new Stadium. The increased revenues from the people that come there to live and work or the increase in tourist activity. Does anybody really think things will get better in Buffalo or anywhere else by staying stagnant and doing nothing? Thanks I couldnt of said it better
billsfan_34 Posted March 29, 2009 Author Posted March 29, 2009 I live in Lewistom which is a stones throw away from the Falls and as much as I would love the commute (season ticket holder since 1980 when I was 18 years old) It will never happen. The only hope IMO is maybe towards Rochester maybe Lancaster. Lancaster is where Rich Stadium was supposed to be built! Does anyone remember that? INstead they built it on sacred tribal land. No wonder why we are cursed.
billsfan_34 Posted March 29, 2009 Author Posted March 29, 2009 I know you aren't serious about that, but others have said the same thing. You see where you are likely going to have to park, near the Falls in NF, Ontario, and you walk to the bridge, across the bridge and to wherever the stadium is located...when the weather is below 30 and the winds are whipping. Yes, that is a terrific plan. People walk long distances all over OP to get to the Ralph. Sometimes I think you over think things to much.
muddleman Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 Most Toronto traffic would be crossing the Lewiston-Queenston bridge.
Greybeard Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 Slowly I turn, step-by-step, inch-by-inch... Oops...sorry. Are you some kind of a vaudeville fan or just old?
Greybeard Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 Its kind of ghetto on the american side of the Falls, Scoob's probably just worried about parking his car there. People could steal it, sell it and buy many homes there for what its worth That would make it like parking at the old Rockpile.
muddleman Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 One of the other issues that likely would become a lead item of discussion in any attempt to reclaim large amounts of NF, NY land to build a stadium and the ancillary private development it would trigger if you did this right is a pretty incredible legacy of toxic and nuclear waste buried in the land beneath that city. NF actually played a central role in the development of the nuclear weapons which were dropped on Japan as significant parts of the early research into building the bomb were done at sites such as the Lake Ontario Ordinance Woeks (LOOW), This story is actually one is really untold as much of this data was (and some crucial info to determine what is and what happened at the massive site) is still deemed top secret and classified. If folks want more info check out the article in a local WNY newspaper which explores facts and myths related to the site > http://blogs.artvoice.com/avdaily/2008/05/...acts-and-myths/ <. As much as 5000 acres of land in NF were part of development of this site and I believe roughly 2500 acres is deemed to unusable by human beings. The scary thing is that this site does not even include other NF nuggets like Love Canal, the first ever designated site by the Feds under the Superfund program which sought to clean-up the decades of misuse of the land, the environment, and people which was done by folks to make a nickel and escape to their vacation homes before anyone figured out what was going on. One site summarized the LOOW site as: Manhattan Project and other waste stored in the IWCS : • approximately 25,000 cubic yards of radioactive residues, • 235,000 cubic yards of contaminated soil and debris, • primary materials of concern are radium, thorium, and uranium. My sense is that any major attempt to do a major redevelopment project in NF is going to run head on into raising some issues for public discussion that liability issues makes a bunch of folk with money and power want to keep covered up. There are chemicals in the land for sure however the nuclear waste area is north of the city between Lewiston and Youngstown, near Lewiston-porter school which also makes a lot of sense
Big Turk Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 I hate to say it, but if Niagara Falls were going to improve, it would have already. The American side has been a dump for decades and I just can't see how pouring money into a continually non-visionary city government makes a lot of sense. That also assumes we'll ever get the chance for such an option. The "LA option" is the compelling issue. well the problem is the city government has been run by the mafia for decades and they basically find ways to use the resources for their own good rather than the cities good...
BuffaloBill Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 You expect an NFL owner to move a team to a location to revitalize the area? I'm not sure you understand why a team moves. A team will move to Toronto or L.A. because it sells tickets. Unless I'm mistaken, there are no wealthy owners from NF-US. Why would anyone move them there?? LA is looking into building a stadium in the City of Industry. While it may be hard to believe this place is more of a cesspool than the Falls and there is no wonder of the world nearby.
BuffaloBill Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 There are chemicals in the land for sure however the nuclear waste area is north of the city between Lewiston and Youngstown, near Lewiston-porter school which also makes a lot of sense I always wondered why students from Lew-Port were a little off .
thebug Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 Most Toronto traffic would be crossing the Lewiston-Queenston bridge. Why? I travel from Ontario and I know other groups that head down as well and we all cross at Fort Erie.
hamtenp Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 Niagara Falls is an old broken down ramshackle town. There is no strong economy there.If Buffalo does not have the strong industrial base to fill Corporate suites at the Ralph, how is Niagara Falls going to do that? Niagara Falls could not even support itself! Look at the area outside the casinos. Looks like a bomb went off. For years nothing has been done to improve the city. Ghetto looking downtown Niagara Falls is run by a bunch of petty minded politicians who could not even run a kindergarten. Look at the Canadian side of Niagara Falls! 30 years and nothing from the American side to compare. Oh! YES! The Casino.Thats it? Are the owners of the casino going to buy 100 Corporate suites? Is Occidental still in business? Get a strong economy. Get some major corporations to invest and expand their businesses there first. Once you have a strong tax base, low unemployment, clean up your dirty city. Then maybe you might get a chance. This town cannot even support its local restaurants. Cannot even support and maintain the Wintergarden. and the Festival of Lights. What are you guys smoking, thinking NF is a better alternative to Buffalo? Buffalo has a lot more going for it than Niagara Falls. I say keep the team at the Ralph.
Glass To The Arson Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 Buffalo > Falls easily Buffalo is actually a very nice city... it would use more landscaping... but it reminds me of Pittsburgh alot - just less high rises.
Leonidas Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 Uhhh...Dean?? http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?showt...60&start=60
The Dean Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 Uhhh...Dean?? http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?showt...60&start=60 Beat me to it. http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?showt...=85981&st=0
SKOOBY Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 Uhhh...Dean?? http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?showt...60&start=60 Heresy.
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