DC Tom Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 Talking head from the Bush campaign discussing it on CNN now. He sounds as delusional as Kerry's man did discussing Miami-Dade county..."Cleveland's in now, we did well..." Cleveland's 50% reported, and Kerry has a 95k vote lead...and Bush only leads the state by 100k. The rest of the Cleveland ballot could wipe out Bush's lead...and then there's Cincy, and Dayton, and Canton... If Bush wins Ohio, it's going to be by a razor-thin margin.
John Adams Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 Seems like Cinci is not a Demo stronghold though, and if anything it goes a little right, no? That seemed to be the implication of what I read earlier. Agreed that the people jumping the gun on Cleveland are insane. There's something like 400,000 more votes to come from that county alone (the current ratio in Cuyahoga is about 2:1 Kerry, which, if it keeps up, will wipe out Bush's lead). Will probably be tight either way.
DC Tom Posted November 3, 2004 Author Posted November 3, 2004 Seems like Cinci is not a Demo stronghold though, and if anything it goes a little right, no? That seemed to be the implication of what I read earlier. Agreed that the people jumping the gun on Cleveland are insane. There's something like 400,000 more votes to come from that county alone (the current ratio in Cuyahoga is about 2:1 Kerry, which, if it keeps up, will wipe out Bush's lead). Will probably be tight either way. 98295[/snapback] I wouldn't call Cincy a Democratic stronghold...but Kerry's got to rely on the larger cities to win Ohio, because he's getting killed in the rural areas and needs a favorable tilt in the high population centers to offset it. Odds are he'll get it, more in Cleveland than Cincinnatti, but Cincy's going to lean farther towards Kerry than the rural counties will... And interestingly enough, now that I check Cincy...Bush is leading by a couple thousand, with 31% reporting. Interesting...but the state still goes as Cleveland does...
Lori Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 I wouldn't call Cincy a Democratic stronghold...but Kerry's got to rely on the larger cities to win Ohio, because he's getting killed in the rural areas and needs a favorable tilt in the high population centers to offset it. Odds are he'll get it, more in Cleveland than Cincinnatti, but Cincy's going to lean farther towards Kerry than the rural counties will... And interestingly enough, now that I check Cincy...Bush is leading by a couple thousand, with 31% reporting. Interesting...but the state still goes as Cleveland does... 98305[/snapback] Interesting, but are you really surprised? Cincinnati is far more conservative than most cities its size.
DC Tom Posted November 3, 2004 Author Posted November 3, 2004 Bush is now up 110k through the state, with Cleveland reporting almost 70%. Doesn't mean anything other than Bush is maintaining his margin while the votes are counted, which in itself is interesting, if somewhat meaningless.
CosmicBills Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 Bush is now up 110k through the state, with Cleveland reporting almost 70%. Doesn't mean anything other than Bush is maintaining his margin while the votes are counted, which in itself is interesting, if somewhat meaningless. 98324[/snapback] CNN has Bush leading by only 30k now in Ohio...at least on the web AHHH! nevermind, it jumped back up to over 100k now....odd.
DC Tom Posted November 3, 2004 Author Posted November 3, 2004 Interesting, but are you really surprised? Cincinnati is far more conservative than most cities its size. 98320[/snapback] Actually...yes, I am. I wasn't aware of that. What little I know about the area's economy, I would have guessed it would lean slightly more liberal.
John Adams Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 CNN has Bush leading by only 30k now in Ohio...at least on the webAHHH! nevermind, it jumped back up to over 100k now....odd. 98325[/snapback] Cuyahoga will not make up the difference at this point. I think OH goes to Bush. EDIT: I take this back...kind of. At CNN, it says 67% *precincts* reporting in... that is not voters. Still, doesn't seem like Cleveland can make up the 130K difference.
SDS Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 Fox reporting one Bushie now assuring Ohio is a Bush win - expecting the final talley to be +120k.
CosmicBills Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 Cuyahoga will not make up the difference at this point. I think OH goes to Bush. 98330[/snapback] I'm in over my head. My first foray into the PP board here on TBD has been interesting. But I am enjoying the give and take on both sides....
DC Tom Posted November 3, 2004 Author Posted November 3, 2004 Cuyahoga will not make up the difference at this point. I think OH goes to Bush. 98330[/snapback] Still could...but just barely. It's only 67% reported. I wouldn't count Kerry out until Cuyahoga's 85% reported or so. But like we said above...it's going to be damned thin.
SDS Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 Still could...but just barely. It's only 67% reported. I wouldn't count Kerry out until Cuyahoga's 85% reported or so. But like we said above...it's going to be damned thin. 98336[/snapback] all I can say, is that the people I have chosen to listen to - partisan hacks or not - have been spot on ALL DAY.
Pete Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 Cincinnati is one of the most conservative citys in the country.
John Adams Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 all I can say, is that the people I have chosen to listen to - partisan hacks or not - have been spot on ALL DAY. 98341[/snapback] Seems to me like OH will go to Bush. And I'm no political hack.
Lori Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 Actually...yes, I am. I wasn't aware of that. What little I know about the area's economy, I would have guessed it would lean slightly more liberal. 98328[/snapback] Think Marge Schott, Robert Mapplethorpe, the Larry Flynt obscenity trial.... what do those three things have in common?
SDS Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 Seems to me like OH will go to Bush. And I'm no political hack. 98345[/snapback] and I'm not listening to you!
DC Tom Posted November 3, 2004 Author Posted November 3, 2004 all I can say, is that the people I have chosen to listen to - partisan hacks or not - have been spot on ALL DAY. 98341[/snapback] Call it a personality flaw...I listen to and consider the positions of others, but my own counsel is what I follow. It is, after all, the only one I have to live with. And I say: Ohio ain't close to being decided yet. Were I forced to bet right now, I'd put my money on Kerry...but his odds are declining rapidly.
Simon Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 What little I know about the area's economy, I would have guessed it would lean slightly more liberal. With no due respect to Bahstan, Cincinnati is possibly the most racist city in the Northern US. Liberal-leaning would be somewhat of a misnomer. Cya
SDS Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 Call it a personality flaw...I listen to and consider the positions of others, but my own counsel is what I follow. It is, after all, the only one I have to live with. And I say: Ohio ain't close to being decided yet. Were I forced to bet right now, I'd put my money on Kerry...but his odds are declining rapidly. 98363[/snapback] call JFK and give him hope because even they are giving in.... call that quaking fowl a duck and move on....
swede316 Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 79% precincts reporting - Updated 12:24 a.m. ET........Bush up by 120,000....Could be the straw that breaks Kerry's back.
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