ans4e64 Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Waters, looks like he could be had You should go for it dude, you're only young once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 You should go for it dude, you're only young once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperKillerRobots Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 You and I will always see eye to eye when it comes to the importance of the trenches. The Whitner pick is water under the bridge. My post sought to point out the utter absurdity in #1's usual crap: that we should trade him staight up for Waters and let Bowens compete with Scott for SS. Preposterous. Is Whitner a superstar, no. Is he better than average, yes. Is Scott better than average? No. Has Bowens EVER played the friggen position? No. Has ANY safety been able to dominate without help up front? I can't think of one. GO BILLS!!! You're making way too much sense to be posting here man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 You and I will always see eye to eye when it comes to the importance of the trenches. The Whitner pick is water under the bridge. My post sought to point out the utter absurdity in #1's usual crap: that we should trade him staight up for Waters and let Bowens compete with Scott for SS. Preposterous. Is Whitner a superstar, no. Is he better than average, yes. Is Scott better than average? No. Has Bowens EVER played the friggen position? No. Has ANY safety been able to dominate without help up front? I can't think of one. GO BILLS!!! Did you know that Bryan Scott had more tackles and more passes defensed than your boy Donte Whitner? Oh yeah, Bryan did it in less starts too. I'm not surprised so many like you are still enamored with Donte. I'm sure the thought of having to come to the realization that we passed up Haloti Ngata for a Bryan Scott clone is a very scary and upsetting thought for you. Sorry pal, you're the one who's being preposterous in your argument... http://www.buffalobills.com/team/roster/Br...3d-0761ec6fdbac http://www.buffalobills.com/team/roster/Do...82-e6e7730540b3 The smart thing to do is to deal Whitner while they probably can still get something decent for him. As they did with JP Losman, Bills fans like you should show no mercy on Donte "The Bust" Whitner picked at #8 which is 14 spots higher than JP Losman was picked in his draft year. This double standard has become ridiculous. Why don't you take your own damn advice that you gave the Losman supporters, stop making excuses for the guy, get your head out of the clouds and understand that Donte Whitner is a B-U-S-T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 I believe it, that Waters is available, but with him still being a pro bowl player and at a reasonable salary, KC will want quite a bit for him. I don't forsee them tradind him just he because he wants out unless the Chiefs get an offer they like. The Bills need to explore a trade for Waters on a very serious level. They also need to get the Scheffler deal done too. I would guess that the compensation the Bills offer Kansas City is not the issue when it comes to acquiring Waters. Waters is unhappy with the 7 year contract extension he signed in 2005. He wants more money. If we get him it will be because we've agreed to pay him more money than his current contract. So no, he will not necessarily come "at a reasonable salary." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadstroke Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Please allow me to boil it down for you: JP = great potential. Whitner = bust. Like Bakay says, it's so easy when you break it down scientifically. GO BILLS!!! You forgot one: K-9 = know nothing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GR8PRKN Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 If this guy is a really good guard then I think it's time the Bills get creative... Waters for Whitner Waters for Hardy Waters for Parrish and a third If they did trade Whitner, they could let Scott and Bowen (he's too small to be a LB) battle for the SS spot. Funny...... Stupid but Funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Rob Johnson Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Whitner is a good player on a not so good team....simple as that ....is he great? of course not does he have potential to be a pro bowler based on what we have seen? Let me ask you this way, if you had a choice between Roy Williams and whitner, who would you take? Thank you.....and by the way, the Lions drafted a SS right after whitner that year...what was his name? How is he doing? JP was a terrible pick...no defending that one....and I guess the league thinks so as well.....he is still out there....he may be at on Bills sideline for one game next year.....and that game is when the bills play in Toronto and JP decided to visit because he will already be up there playing BACKUP for the toronto cfl team Lions drafted OLB Ernie Sims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 per rotoworld: Team chairman Clark Hunt said Monday that Tony Gonzalez will remain a Chief while Larry Johnson and Brian Waters "could return" to Kansas City next season. "We certainly will not seek a trade for Tony," Hunt said. "I think he’s excited about the changes we’ve made here." Hunt added that he was "surprised" about Waters' release/trade request late last month and would not deny that Johnson is available in trade talks. Source: Kansas City Star I'd like to see us try and get him. I just don't know if we have any money left as he wil ask for anew contract when traded Would certainly address a key need - i would love to know where we are relative to the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Funny...... Stupid but Funny Oh how cute, another clueless fan who thinks Donte Whitner is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Grade: 77 | Key Alert: None Comment: Whitner is coming off his second season and has been one of the better young defenders in the league. He has good size, strength and athleticism. He is a hard-nosed safety who is better versus the run than defending the pass. He is often inverted and in the box in the Bills' defensive scheme. He shows great instincts, a good feel for angles and the ability to leverage the ball. He uses his hands well and can work through trash to stay alive to the pile. Whitner is a strong tackler who maintains good body position in the open field. He has good range off the hash, filling the alley or making plays across the field. He is best to jam receivers off the line of scrimmage in combination-zone coverages, but isn't as effective in pure man schemes. He has good foot agility, balance and quickness in space. Plus, he can redirect and close well to the ball. He isn't an outstanding coverage defender, but often he is used in the box and not in a ball hawking mode. Whitner has been very effective in the Bills' defensive philosophy and as a special team's contributor. 77 is borderline on being an "Outstanding" player according to Scouts Inc. Whitner is thought of very highly by many around the NFL. He is only 23, and most players peak around 28. There is no reason that he cannot be a top 5 safety in the NFL. PS: Whitner is the 7th highest rated Safety in the NFL (per scouts inc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordByrd Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 If this guy is a really good guard then I think it's time the Bills get creative... Waters for Whitner Waters for Hardy Waters for Parrish and a third If they did trade Whitner, they could let Scott and Bowen (he's too small to be a LB) battle for the SS spot. no, you don't trade Donte, or Hardy. Parrish, okay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 You forgot one: K-9 = know nothing! Ah, nothing like new meat. Keep it coming, young turk. I do hope you haven't shot your proverbial wad with this sharp retort. Otherwise it's the usual Lenny and the rabbits again. And I just don't have the heart. I do have one piece of advice: don't let someone convince you trade a dime for a nickle just because it's bigger. I'll be seeing you, sonny. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Did you know that Bryan Scott had more tackles and more passes defensed than your boy Donte Whitner? Oh yeah, Bryan did it in less starts too. I'm not surprised so many like you are still enamored with Donte. I'm sure the thought of having to come to the realization that we passed up Haloti Ngata for a Bryan Scott clone is a very scary and upsetting thought for you. Sorry pal, you're the one who's being preposterous in your argument... http://www.buffalobills.com/team/roster/Br...3d-0761ec6fdbac http://www.buffalobills.com/team/roster/Do...82-e6e7730540b3 The smart thing to do is to deal Whitner while they probably can still get something decent for him. As they did with JP Losman, Bills fans like you should show no mercy on Donte "The Bust" Whitner picked at #8 which is 14 spots higher than JP Losman was picked in his draft year. This double standard has become ridiculous. Why don't you take your own damn advice that you gave the Losman supporters, stop making excuses for the guy, get your head out of the clouds and understand that Donte Whitner is a B-U-S-T. FWIW (and not that it won't be lost on you anyway), I was hoping they'd go Dline or Oline in 2006 (as my post to Bill CLEARLY implies; he and I agree about the trenches). So take your sorry wish that I'm happier about getting Whitner than NOT taking someone on DL or OL. But it's water under the bridge. So I SPEND NO TIME lamenting something already done by a group of people I have no control over. That said, your allusion that Scott is a better SS than Whitner by virtue of having more passes defensed is like 99% of your posts, TOTAL CRAP. What position was Whitner playing when Scott was on the field at SS? Scott SHOULD have had more tackles from the SS spot. Think OCs may have noticed a little switch in our line-up? Think they may have thought Scott could be exploited? Like I said long ago, your knowledge of DB play is only surpassed by your knowledge of QB play. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Has anybody seen Andy Levitre from Oregon St.? Randy Cross just said that he is very good and looks like a perfect fit for Pittsburgh or New England. Pittsburgh or New England!!! Man does this piss me off. They play in the cold just like us, and they are thought of as more worthy of having tough, strong guards. There isn't much on youtube, but he does look good. Seen him. Me likey. He's #2 on my list after Duke Robinson, and a very likely pick in RD3 (Herman Johnson is in the mix too; he's the Michelin Man in a football uniform and would actually increase the average weight of our line, which is tops in the NFL). I was thinking that a cold weather Guard might be appealing to a team that recently did poorly with a Texas Tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Please allow me to boil it down for you: JP = great potential. Whitner = bust. Like Bakay says, it's so easy when you break it down scientifically. GO BILLS!!! sorry, gotta agree with Deadstroke K-9 = know nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 sorry, gotta agree with Deadstroke K-9 = know nothing Care to compare bonafides then? Or perhaps you care to point to specific examples of my lack of knowledge vs. an opinion you don't share with me. Can't wait to see what you come up with. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Care to compare bonafides then? Or perhaps you care to point to specific examples of my lack of knowledge vs. an opinion you don't share with me. Can't wait to see what you come up with. GO BILLS!!! I don't have to if I don't wanna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 I don't have to if I don't wanna Pu**Y! GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 FWIW (and not that it won't be lost on you anyway), I was hoping they'd go Dline or Oline in 2006 (as my post to Bill CLEARLY implies; he and I agree about the trenches). So take your sorry wish that I'm happier about getting Whitner than NOT taking someone on DL or OL. But it's water under the bridge. So I SPEND NO TIME lamenting something already done by a group of people I have no control over. That said, your allusion that Scott is a better SS than Whitner by virtue of having more passes defensed is like 99% of your posts, TOTAL CRAP. What position was Whitner playing when Scott was on the field at SS? Scott SHOULD have had more tackles from the SS spot. Think OCs may have noticed a little switch in our line-up? Think they may have thought Scott could be exploited? Like I said long ago, your knowledge of DB play is only surpassed by your knowledge of QB play. GO BILLS!!! You spend no time lamenting, huh? That's certainly nice and friendly of you. Sorry, but I have a major problem with a former #8 picked Bills' player not living up to his high price (see Ngata wearing a Raven uniform). Look at the stats and please tell me where Whitner is exactly is better than Scott. You're like all the other Bills fans who think that since Donte Whitner is one of the better known players that he must be good. Aren't stats a B word? Donte Whitner was supposed to be the next Bob Sanders, Brian Dawkins, Troy Polamalo, Mike Brown, Rodney Harrison. Given the stats so far in his career the only guy Whitner is comparable to is his backup, Scott. But you don't have time to lament that. Maybe we should cut every Buffalo Bill some slack, if the #8 picked guy can fizzle without lament from the fans then why not every guy on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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