ieatcrayonz Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Does the fact that he beat Denver and the "great" Jay Cutler in Denver serve even a little bit to diminish your fear of cold weather thing? No? OK, let's go to your next point..... I agree with you that virtually all teams should grab a qb every year in the mid rounds. There is little risk in doing so and if he develops, you either play him or capitlize on his enormous (as compared to other positions) trade value. Now if he could just schedule the worst defense in the history of organized sports every time it got a little nippy out we'd be all set. That plus hope Jackson runs 82 yards of an 85 yard "TD pass". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 You may need to rethink that, Sen: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap?game_i...p;override=true The only game in Denver colder than Sunday's 17-degree reading at kickoff was a game against San Diego on Dec. 10, 1972, when it was 9 degrees. ... The Bills went 4-0 against AFC West teams this season. ... Bailey picked up his second career sack and first since his rookie season in 1999. ... Lynch injured a shoulder in the second half. EDIT: I see you DID rethink that Sen, and deleted your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 You may need to rethink that, Sen: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap?game_i...p;override=true EDIT: I see you DID rethink that Sen, and deleted your post. Yes, my bad - thought I could get it off the board before anyone pounced on me, but you're just to quick for me! Apologies to Bill if he saw it - and, if he didn't, I have no idea what you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
300yrds Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 With the weapons Trent has, what kind of a season are we calling breakout. Just improvements, are mediocre numbers considered breakout considering his previous stats. I think with the WR core and RB tandem we have he needs to put up TOP numbers, being ranked 10-20th isnt going to cut, he needs to be easy top 10 in every category. This is what I think his MINIMUMS are YDS- 3700+ Comp %- 65 Yds/Game- 240+ TD- 24+ INTs- 14- QB Rating- 90+ These numbers will put him in the top 8-10 QB's, which he needs to be atleast with the weapons available, anything short of TOP 10 play is easily unacceptable to me, and I think I am giving him a lot of wiggle room here, all things considered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 With the weapons Trent has, what kind of a season are we calling breakout. Just improvements, are mediocre numbers considered breakout considering his previous stats. I think with the WR core and RB tandem we have he needs to put up TOP numbers, being ranked 10-20th isnt going to cut, he needs to be easy top 10 in every category. This is what I think his MINIMUMS are YDS- 3700+ Comp %- 65 Yds/Game- 240+ TD- 24+ INTs- 14- QB Rating- 90+ These numbers will put him in the top 8-10 QB's, which he needs to be atleast with the weapons available, anything short of TOP 10 play is easily unacceptable to me, and I think I am giving him a lot of wiggle room here, all things considered It would be really nice if he achieved your user name a couple times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 two, he only had 1 TD, so lets not over play is performance. What if he had 0 TDs and he still led the team to a win? We were talking about a kid throwing on the road in awful weather, right? Isn't winning the idea? Thanks for making my point. Nothing that Trent ever does will be enough, or even a good start for you fantasy football generals and/or Losman baton twirlers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanahan's Horseshoe Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Espn and the media put so much pressure on QBs to be great quickly and it has infected the fans. Favre, Rivers, Warner, Rodgers, Hasselback, Romo all sat years before they were good/great. The Chargers and their fans were ready to run Brees out of town! Then the fans thought the Chargers made a mistake letting Brees go and next thing you know Rivers had the best year of any QB in the NFL last year! I think it's fine to be concerned because he is largely unproven. He will be a third year pro who has looked good and bad...kind of like a QB in his second year always looks. I do think he has done enough good on the field to be optomistic. That being said, he has always been very brittle and has looked bad in cold weather so there is major cause for concern. This is his year to prove himself, he has the weapons, hopefully the Oline will be able to protect him and the running game to be successful. If he gets hurt for an extended period of time, looks lost or can't play in the cold well then...(GULP)...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 With the weapons Trent has, what kind of a season are we calling breakout. Just improvements, are mediocre numbers considered breakout considering his previous stats. I think with the WR core and RB tandem we have he needs to put up TOP numbers, being ranked 10-20th isnt going to cut, he needs to be easy top 10 in every category. This is what I think his MINIMUMS are YDS- 3700+ Comp %- 65 Yds/Game- 240+ TD- 24+ INTs- 14- QB Rating- 90+ These numbers will put him in the top 8-10 QB's, which he needs to be atleast with the weapons available, anything short of TOP 10 play is easily unacceptable to me, and I think I am giving him a lot of wiggle room here, all things considered Good point. That should be the absolute minimum. Let's not think about winning games, just fantasy number while playing in the elements of Orchard Park, NY. Freaking unbelieveable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 What if he had 0 TDs and he still led the team to a win? We were talking about a kid throwing on the road in awful weather, right? Isn't winning the idea? Thanks for making my point. Nothing that Trent ever does will be enough, or even a good start for you fantasy football generals and/or Losman baton twirlers. Huh? All I was saying throwing 1 TD against the worst D in the league in cold weather doesnt define you as a great cold weather player...and he hasnt exactly been stellar in some other cold weather games... Here is the best part of this (unrelated to you Bill)...Magox crucifies Cutler in that game and says we won becuase Cutler gave the game away, but in other arguments props up Edwards as the reason we won that game...lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 What if he had 0 TDs and he still led the team to a win? We were talking about a kid throwing on the road in awful weather, right? Isn't winning the idea? Thanks for making my point. Nothing that Trent ever does will be enough, or even a good start for you fantasy football generals and/or Losman baton twirlers. I think that was uncalled for, Bill. And, once again, you can't fight the urge to introduce Losman into a conversation that has NOTHING to do with him. Horrible! He simply pointed out that Edwards didn't beat the Pats, the Bills did. And, while I think Trent had a fine game, and looked good in the 2nd half, your "kid throwing on the road, in awful weather" comment looks pretty stupid in light of Cutler's 25-45, 359 yard performance in that same "awful weather". Of course the win is what is important, and Trent was the QB on the field that day. Let's not pretend he put the team on his back, and out gunned Cutler, though. Your a better poster when you don't try to guess what someone means, and when you keep your hatred of JP and Levy in check, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
300yrds Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Good point. That should be the absolute minimum. Let's not think about winning games, just fantasy number while playing in the elements of Orchard Park, NY. Freaking unbelieveable. so you are saying with TO Evans and Reed lining up out wide it is acceptable for TE to put in the same lack luster performance, and turn over the ball. If Lindell makes that fieldgoal against Cleveland, does that make TE's play acceptable. We won so he did his job. If you have a top flight wr core, you need to put up top flight performances, otherwise you are not utilizing the potential output of the team. If Edwards throws for 3000 yards, 1 game over 300, and we go 10-6 is that ok, superstar recievers and mediocre QB play...c'mon. It is not all about the stats, but with a top 3 recieving corp, he should be easily able to put up top 10 wb numbers, and thats all those numbers I listed are, top 10 qb numbers. exceptable request Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I think that was uncalled for, Bill. And, once again, you can't fight the urge to introduce Losman into a conversation that has NOTHING to do with him. Horrible! He simply pointed out that Edwards didn't beat the Pats, the Bills did. And, while I think Trent had a fine game, and looked good in the 2nd half, your "kid throwing on the road, in awful weather" comment looks pretty stupid in light of Cutler's 25-45, 359 yard performance in that same "awful weather". Of course the win is what is important, and Trent was the QB on the field that day. Let's not pretend he put the team on his back, and out gunned Cutler, though. Your a better poster when you don't try to guess what someone means, and when you keep your hatred of JP and Levy in check, IMO. We dont always agree Dean (although I think most of the time we do) but you always remain objective and make good posts. You are spot on with your post above and that was exactly what my point was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 With the weapons Trent has, what kind of a season are we calling breakout. Just improvements, are mediocre numbers considered breakout considering his previous stats. I think with the WR core and RB tandem we have he needs to put up TOP numbers, being ranked 10-20th isnt going to cut, he needs to be easy top 10 in every category. This is what I think his MINIMUMS are YDS- 3700+ Comp %- 65 Yds/Game- 240+ TD- 24+ INTs- 14- QB Rating- 90+ These numbers will put him in the top 8-10 QB's, which he needs to be atleast with the weapons available, anything short of TOP 10 play is easily unacceptable to me, and I think I am giving him a lot of wiggle room here, all things considered The only "weapon" added has been TO. And I assuming your acceptable level of performance is a joke. Jim Kelly didn't have a "breakout year" by your standards until 1991---and it was quickly downhill from that solitary peak, I guess. This "cold weather" nonsense is getting old. Edwards is no worse in the cold than our last 3 or 4 QBs. Also, if you cared to look, after his awful 1st Q in Cleveland, he played nearly mistake free ball for rest of his games--i.e., he learned to protect the ball. His main issue will be one of confidence. I bet he would feel more confident with a competent OC helping him through his development, instead of one who is trying to figure out how to be an OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 What if he had 0 TDs and he still led the team to a win? We were talking about a kid throwing on the road in awful weather, right? Isn't winning the idea? Thanks for making my point. Nothing that Trent ever does will be enough, or even a good start for you fantasy football generals and/or Losman baton twirlers. How are you enjoying your Trent Edwards blowup doll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 With the weapons Trent has, what kind of a season are we calling breakout. Just improvements, are mediocre numbers considered breakout considering his previous stats. I think with the WR core and RB tandem we have he needs to put up TOP numbers, being ranked 10-20th isnt going to cut, he needs to be easy top 10 in every category. This is what I think his MINIMUMS are YDS- 3700+ Comp %- 65 Yds/Game- 240+ TD- 24+ INTs- 14- QB Rating- 90+ These numbers will put him in the top 8-10 QB's, which he needs to be atleast with the weapons available, anything short of TOP 10 play is easily unacceptable to me, and I think I am giving him a lot of wiggle room here, all things considered Hey why not go a step further and say, if he is not inducted into the hall of fame after this season, it's unacceptable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poeticlaw Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 Does the fact that he beat Denver and the "great" Jay Cutler in Denver serve even a little bit to diminish your fear of cold weather thing? No? OK, let's go to your next point..... I agree with you that virtually all teams should grab a qb every year in the mid rounds. There is little risk in doing so and if he develops, you either play him or capitlize on his enormous (as compared to other positions) trade value. Get off of whatevevr your smoking the Broncos beat themseleves they had twice the offense we did and we were put in shortfield situaions and if it wasnt for the 5 yards pas that turned into 65 yards by Jackson we wouldnt be talking about that game where trent had pedistrain numbers compared to his counterpart IN THE SAME WEATHER!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
300yrds Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 numbers arent exact, just a frame of refrence as to where I think we should be to be considered par. asking an offense to be in the top 10 in all facets of the passing game when you have a high caliber wr corps is not an unacceptable request. TE can put up mediocre/sub par numbers when we start winning 12+ games a season. Is it ok for him to be ranked bottom half of the league again for an overall mediocre season, after adding TO, c'mon. we all have high expectations with our recent aquisition, and we need to opperate like we have a HIGH POWERED OFFENSE, because WE HAVE A HIGH POWERED OFFENSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 What if he had 0 TDs and he still led the team to a win? We were talking about a kid throwing on the road in awful weather, right? Isn't winning the idea? Thanks for making my point. Nothing that Trent ever does will be enough, or even a good start for you fantasy football generals and/or Losman baton twirlers. You are starting to sound like Flutie with your, the "team" loses, but Trent Edwards wins games rhetoric. I've got $100 that says Bill can't even make it 25 posts here on the main board without some reference to either JP Losman, or Levy/Jauron and drafting DBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfreak Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 With the weapons Trent has, what kind of a season are we calling breakout. Just improvements, are mediocre numbers considered breakout considering his previous stats. I think with the WR core and RB tandem we have he needs to put up TOP numbers, being ranked 10-20th isnt going to cut, he needs to be easy top 10 in every category. This is what I think his MINIMUMS are YDS- 3700+ Comp %- 65 Yds/Game- 240+ TD- 24+ INTs- 14- QB Rating- 90+ These numbers will put him in the top 8-10 QB's, which he needs to be atleast with the weapons available, anything short of TOP 10 play is easily unacceptable to me, and I think I am giving him a lot of wiggle room here, all things considered Dude, if you don't watch it, Trent is going to get a restraining order against you. Do you have Trent pillow cases and a blow up doll with a #5 jersey on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I know I'm going to get blasted for this, but what the hey... I get the distinct feeling that Trent isn't as driven as Peyton Manning and Tom Brady were in their younger days. I'm sorry, but I don't see him putting in the necessary overtime during the offseason to learn, work and train towards becoming the best QB in the game. I seriously wonder if he's all that into football. I definitely don't get the feeling he loves the game. Trent realizes that this is what he does best so this is what he's doing, but all things being equal he would take being a professional baseball player or a professional golfer in a heartbeat over playing professional football. He hates cold weather and hates to get hit. I get this from TE's sideline demeanor, post game press conferences, interviews and general lack of being around Buffalo when the final whistle blows in the final game. Either he overcomes the doubts in 2009 or him and his dunderhead of a head coach hit the road for good after this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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