Poeticlaw Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 Let me put out a post with a different perspective. Trent Barely threw 350 time last season and he didnt even play a full season. He has problems with his throwing shoulder that was thought to need surgery but later it was called shoulder fatigue. Now if he has only played 13 1/2 games last season and throwing barely 350 times, How do you think his shoulder is going to hold up under a full season (doubtful he makes it through a full season) with the potential of throwing the ball even more now that he has TO in the mix. I dont know about you, BUT I AM VERY CONCERNED i do not want FITZY in there at all!!!!
billsfreak Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 Until Trent proves he can stay healthy, which he hasn't done since maybe high school, we should be worried. Not to mention, we should be worried until he proves he can be consistent on the field when he is healthy too. I second the notion that Fitz should stay on the sideline with his helmet off and a clipboard in his hands. He will do less damage that way.
Bill from NYC Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 Any fan of any team should be concerned about their quarterback. What am I missing?
Christopher Capolupo Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 To preface my comments, I like Trent Edwards, but also have concerns. My concerns are that the offensive line won't hold a pocket and he will be on the ground more times than we can count. I believe that many of his health problems have come from being on teams that can't protect him. It's possible that he will have an injury ridden career despite a good OLine, but I feel he needs the opportunity to stay off his back before anything is decided.
2003Contenders Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 Actually, the WORST thing that could happen is that Trent turn in a JP-from-2006-like performance. That is, that he plays decently at times, but also shows a tendency to stink it up. In that way, we know no more about him than we do now -- and we head into 2010 STILL not knowing whether he is the QB of the future or not. Of course, in hind-sight the coaching staff probably DID know what they had in Losman after 2006 -- after all, they drafted Trent the following year. I view 2009 for Trent as being like Rob Johnson's 2001: this is his year to prove that he is definitely the QB of the future. The team has given him every opportunity to succeed: no other QB looking over his shoulder, a deep WR corp and a quality RB tandem -- the only question is whether or not the OL can hold up.
BillnutinHouston Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 To preface my comments, I like Trent Edwards, but also have concerns. My concerns are that the offensive line won't hold a pocket and he will be on the ground more times than we can count. I believe that many of his health problems have come from being on teams that can't protect him. It's possible that he will have an injury ridden career despite a good OLine, but I feel he needs the opportunity to stay off his back before anything is decided. This is the primary issue. Apparently the FO doesn't realize that defensive backs can't protect the QB.
Kipers Hair Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 At this point in the teams futility, Edwards is merely a pimple on the ass of our problems; O-Line, Pass Rush, Troubled RB, No TE, ETAL...I'll worry about Edwards when he crumbles, but at this time, there are too many holes in the hull to worry about one that has not sprung yet...
The Dean Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 Sure, I have concerns about Edwards' health, and ability. I think this should be the year he steps up, or out, as the Bills' QB. I like that the Bills are making some moves to make a fair evaluation possible...but, if the don't shore up the o line, and call a competent offensive game, it won't make that much difference, IMO. But, I expect the team to make moves in both areas. As for Fitz, I actually think he will be a fine #2. If the Bills do improve the line, and get a clue about offense, expect to be pleasantly surprised by the #2 QB, if he gets the call, for any reason.
Lofton80 Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 My concern is his confidence. That Cleveland night game he was afraid to throw the ball downfield. if he can't get away from checking down every dropback, we have a problem. Sure, I have concerns about Edwards' health, and ability. I think this should be the year he steps up, or out, as the Bills' QB. I like that the Bills are making some moves to make a fair evaluation possible...but, if the don't shore up the o line, and call a competent offensive game, it won't make that much difference, IMO. But, I expect the team to make moves in both areas. As for Fitz, I actually think he will be a fine #2. If the Bills do improve the line, and get a clue about offense, expect to be pleasantly surprised by the #2 QB, if he gets the call, for any reason.
bizell Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 Let me put out a post with a different perspective. Trent Barely threw 350 time last season and he didnt even play a full season. He has problems with his throwing shoulder that was thought to need surgery but later it was called shoulder fatigue. Now if he has only played 13 1/2 games last season and throwing barely 350 times, How do you think his shoulder is going to hold up under a full season (doubtful he makes it through a full season) with the potential of throwing the ball even more now that he has TO in the mix. I dont know about you, BUT I AM VERY CONCERNED i do not want FITZY in there at all!!!! I'm more worried about him getting whatever injury, rather than just his shoulder. Like billsfreak said, he's had only one injury free year since high school.
DazedandConfused Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 I'm more worried about him getting whatever injury, rather than just his shoulder. Like billsfreak said, he's had only one injury free year since high school. Though some may have trouble wanting to admit it, Edwards is a great player (when he is in there) but the simple fact is he meets an objective standard this fan uses to label a player as injury prone. My standard is that when a player loses playing time 3 times in 2 seasons to injuries to different parts of his body I think they deserve the unfortunate label of being injury prone (they can be knocked out of the game not simply to a nagging injury which might be protected or avoided such as when Kelly wore a flak jacket, but have a body that comes down with serious ouchees to different parts of their bodies. In 2 scant years we have seen Edwards: 1. Miss PT due to an elbow injury which actually left him benched even after he healed because JP got on a winning streak in 07. 2. He missed a game in pre-season of 08 due to a different reported injury (I do not remember specifically what it was but it was not the elbow again). Particularly for a young QB developing chemistry with his teammates, missing even on game of pre-season is important. 3. He got knocked out with a concussion for several games last year. One could make the claim that technically the loss of PT in pre-season does not qualify as a true loss of PT as perhaps if it was not pre-season he would have played. Still, due to the import of pre-season to a new QB to the team and even to pro football (he had way less than a full season of starts at the time) relying on this is a mere technicality. He is no RJ yet (he was so injury prone one could not count on him as a starter despite his obvious talents) but one would have to be a fool not to simply assume at this point that your #2 QB is gonna be your #1 for at least 3 games this season if we are lucky.
The Senator Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 I'm very concerned that, if he doesn't get off to a fast start, his confidence will wane. Also concerned about his long-ball accuracy. Also very concerned about his ability to play in bad weather/cold weather. Extremely worried about his ability to finish a season w/out injury, since he hasn't been able to the last six years. And just plain bothered that his favorite actress is Dakota Fanning. That' just freakin' weird. With JP gone and no QB controversy, this has to be Edwards 'breakout year'. If he fails, the Bills need to go in a different direction. The Bills should get ready for that possibility, and grab Graham Harrell with a mid-round pick.
The Dean Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 but one would have to be a fool not to simply assume at this point that your #2 QB is gonna be your #1 for at least 3 games this season if we are lucky. Indeed. Actually, I think every forward thinking team should plan for that likelihood.
Ramius Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 My concerns about Edwards are the following: 1. Downfield passing ability: this is a 2-parter, and has nothing to do with perceived arm strength. The first part is his willingness to throw downfield. At some point, he's gotta put the ball out there. We saw last season you simply cannot survive and be successful by never challenging teams deep. The second part is his deep passes. Trent's deep passes, for whatever reason, need some work. They need to be better timed and the ball needs to hit the WR in stride. Too many times our WR's have to stop and wait or come back to the occasional deep ball thrown by edwards. 2. Injury factor: Trent needs to find a way to stay healthy for 15-16 games every year. He has yet to demonstrate this ability. Sure, QBs get hurt. But in a league where teams are so close at season's end, its very tough to be successful if you can only count on your starting QB for 11-12 games. 3. Passing TDs: Trent needs to find a way to put the ball in the endzone a lot than he's been doing. I'm not saying he needs to be a mad bomber and toss 30 TDs per year, but he needs to get to a point where he's consistently throwing at least 20-22 TDs per season. His current rate of 18 TDs in 23 games needs to improve. (For comparison's sake, i count Trent's first start at NE and the arizona game last year as 1 game combined). What i find very disturbing is that Trent has thrown multiple TDs in only 3 of his 23 career games. Tossing more than 1 TD once every 8 games simply isn't going to cut it at the QB position in the NFL.
firstngoal Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 Yup, I sure am. When was the last time he stayed healthy for an entire season? Answer - Never, dating back to high school.
Bill from NYC Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 I'm very concerned that, if he doesn't get off to a fast start, his confidence will wane. Also concerned about his long-ball accuracy. Also very concerned about his ability to play in bad weather/cold weather. Extremely worried about his ability to finish a season w/out injury, since he hasn't been able to the last six years. And just plain bothered that his favorite actress is Dakota Fanning. That' just freakin' weird. With JP gone and no QB controversy, this has to be Edwards 'breakout year'. If he fails, the Bills need to go in a different direction. The Bills should get ready for that possibility, and grab Graham Harrell with a mid-round pick. Does the fact that he beat Denver and the "great" Jay Cutler in Denver serve even a little bit to diminish your fear of cold weather thing? No? OK, let's go to your next point..... I agree with you that virtually all teams should grab a qb every year in the mid rounds. There is little risk in doing so and if he develops, you either play him or capitlize on his enormous (as compared to other positions) trade value.
The Dean Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 Does the fact that the Bills , with Edwards at QB, beat Denver and the "great" Jay Cutler in Denver serve even a little bit to diminish your fear of cold weather thing? No? OK, let's go to your next point..... Fixed. Yes, Trent looked good in that game, especially in the 2nd half, if I recall correctly. And, is that the game where it appeared he didn't wear a glove on his throwing hand? I think that might have been earlier in the season. But, in one cold game, he looked very good without the glove, I think.
Alphadawg7 Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 My concerns for Trent are this (and most of these are things every young QB needs to improve on): 1. He needs to make up for his marginal arm strength with quick decisions and field vision. Once he got rattled, this area of his game greatly diminished and he needs to improve this. He has to improve on his speed of progressing through his reads and that means a better understanding of the defense. 2. He needs to stay healthy of course. 3. He MUST get his confidence back. He clearly became gun shy last year and that results in bad sacks, fumbles, late throws, and checking down when you had open options in other parts of the field. Not to mention, if he isn't pulling the trigger with WR’s open, then T.O. is going to eat this kid alive. 4. He has to protect the ball, especially in the pocket. 15 turnovers in 12.5 games is too much (especially with only 11 TD's), and 9 fumbles (5 lost) is too much in 12.5 games. This will likely improve if he can improve in the areas mentioned above. 5. He must improve on his horrid first half performance. He has a 1st quarter rating in the 50's and that just isnt going to work. He has to find a way to get off to a better start and start putting up some points. He had only 3 TD's all year in the first half...that isnt going to win us many games unless our D is dominating the game. Most of this comes with more experience and continuity in the same system. The confidence is something he must find within himself though, so hopefully he shakes off last year and finds it. I do think T.O. is the perfect fit to help develop Trents game in terms of what he brings as a WR.
Alphadawg7 Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 Does the fact that he beat Denver and the "great" Jay Cutler in Denver serve even a little bit to diminish your fear of cold weather thing? No? OK, let's go to your next point..... I agree with you that virtually all teams should grab a qb every year in the mid rounds. There is little risk in doing so and if he develops, you either play him or capitlize on his enormous (as compared to other positions) trade value. lmao...one, a QB doesnt play a team all by himself...two, he only had 1 TD, so lets not over play is performance. More importantly, why is it that people on this board like to define or evaluate a player off a single game? They do it with players at various positions on our team and even on players on other teams. One game does not define a player...I mean Great players can have Bad games and Bad players can have a Great game, its just one game right/
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