BillsNYC Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 It's too bad we didn't simply rework his contract last year or the year before: March 2007: Bills re-sign Chris Kelsay to ridiculous 4 year, $23 million contract. August 2007: Bills tear up last 3 years of Aaron Schobel's contract and give him 5 year $50 million contract to assure he's the highest paid D lineman on the Bills. Said Schobel "Obviously, I had three years left on my deal so they didn't have to do anything ..." March 2007: Bills sign Derrick Dockery to 7 year $49 million contract. Subsequently, Jason Peters continues to play under the 5 years $15 million contract he was given after being promoted to right offensive tackle over Mike Williams. January 2008: Peters is selected to the Pro Bowl. The Bills do nothing. January 2009: Peters selected to a second Pro Bowl. March 2009: Dockery is cut. Why the preferential treatment for Schobel and the stiffing of Peters? Every time I post this the thread dies out, except for VABillsfan who says it's racist. Is everyone going to continue to ignore this issue... You forgot to mention when Peters was extended.
Stussy109 Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 We can probably fill 2-3 needs with the salary he wants, which means we can focus our resources on other folks that will not distract the team. Peters is cancer. Walker at LT during preseason looked just as good. Move him over and groom a T in the RT position. Eff Petersthey should bench him for 2 years and let his flabby ass get out of shape. You saw what happened when a player tried to get out of line, ALA Crowell. We need the same approach with Peters, if u so much as get a hang nail, you're going to the IR where u can rot away.
dickie do-right Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 Maybe he expects to be paid by the pound. /quote] hahhahha -- good one
nucci Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 Walker at LT during preseason looked just as good. Move him over and groom a T in the RT position. Eff Petersthey should bench him for 2 years and let his flabby ass get out of shape. You saw what happened when a player tried to get out of line, ALA Crowell. We need the same approach with Peters, if u so much as get a hang nail, you're going to the IR where u can rot away. and we all know how important pre-season games are.
BillsFan Trapped in Pats Land Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 Start thinking like the Patroits they would cut or trade him and take the picks 2 first rounders one this and next to whoever, he is quite young but last year he proved his real stripes. Save the money for the future and draft Raji and OT in the draft with the picks from a trade...RF They cut or trade their best offensive lineman? Or defensive? When has that happened? They build their team by the developing the lines.
dickie do-right Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 The Bills should put their best offer on the table(whatever that may be) and tell him the offer is on the table until 4/1. After that date, the Bills can dig their heels in or ship his ass out the door. I like it !
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 You forgot to mention when Peters was extended. I wanted to keep the post short. And I knew this would be the first response. He was extended because he was signed as an undrafted free agent. They extended him after he became their starting right tackle.
SKOOBY Posted March 13, 2009 Author Posted March 13, 2009 I wanted to keep the post short. And I knew this would be the first response. He was extended because he was signed as an undrafted free agent. They extended him after he became their starting right tackle. They're going to have to extend him again and again every 2 years at this pace. He does deserve a pay raise and $8.5-$9.0 a year is not out of line with pro-bowl incentives worked in for extra $. Acheivable extra's based on performance is better than base pay, for the team.
Coach Tuesday Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 The economy should have nothing to do with his contract demands. There is a difference between the market and the economy, and there are some real Bolshevicks on this Board... Those of you saying we should trade him and take a tackle in the first round, how much do you think a top-ten tackle is gonna be paid? Guess what, not much less than what Peters is asking for, and he's proven that he can play in this league. I am so sick of the "grass is greener" mentality that pervades this place.
BillsFan74 Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 I am starting to agree, plus he is not a team guy. If Phila will give us 2 first round picks I say do it.
K-9 Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 The bottom line is that Peters is overrated. Trade em before this gets ugly and teams squeeze us because they know that we won't pay him.LT 1. Ryan Clady (Broncos) 0.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 2. Michael Roos (Titans) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL* 3. Tra Thomas (Eagles) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 3. Orlando Pace (Rams) 2.0 sacks allowed (14 starts) 5. Jake Long (Dolphins) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 6. Jordan Gross (Panthers) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts) *PRO-BOWL* 6. Jammal Brown (Saints) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts) 6. Jared Gaither (Ravens) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts) 6. Marcus McNeill (Chargers) 3.0 sacks allowed (14 starts) 6. Tony Ugoh (Colts) 3.0 sacks allowed (12 starts) 6. Chris Samuels (Redskins) 3.0 sacks allowed (12 starts) *PRO-BOWL* 6. Todd Weiner (Falcons) 3.0 sacks allowed (11 starts) 13. Walter Jones (Seahawks) 3.5 sacks allowed (12 starts) *PRO-BOWL* 14. D’Brickashaw Ferguson (Jets) 4.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 14. Bryant McKinnie (Vikings) 4.0 sacks allowed (12 starts) 14. Max Starks (Steelers) 4.0 sacks allowed (11 starts) 17. Joe Thomas (Browns) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL* 17. Branden Albert (Cheifs) 4.5 sacks allowed (15 starts) 19. Levi Brown (Bengals) 5.5 sacks allowed (11 starts) 20. Mike Gandy (Cardinals) 6.25 sacks allowed (16 starts) 21. David Diehl (Giants) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 22. Flozell Adams (Cowboys) 7.25 sacks allowed (16 starts) 23. Khalif Barnes (Jags) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 23. Matt Light (Pats) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 23. Chad Clifton (Packers) 7.5 sacks allowed (15 starts) 23. Kwame Harris (Raiders) 7.5 sacks allowed (11 starts) 27. Joe Staley (49ers) 8.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 28. Donald Penn (Bucs) 8.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 29. Jeff Backus (Lions) 9.25 sacks allowed (16 starts) 30. John St. Clair (Bears) 9.75 sacks allowed (16 starts) 31. Duane Brown (Texans) 11.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 31. Jason Peters (Bills) 11.5 sacks allowed (13 starts) *PRO-BOWL* I'm not sticking up for Peters at all here. He's not a team player IMHO. However this list is meaningless. For many reasons, the LEAST of which is that it's not a stat at all. For instance (and with all due respect to The Senator) the media pundits and many fans would have us believe that Peters gave up the sack that led to JP's fumble against the Jets. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Is that one of the sacks on the list? How many others? Without the context of playcall and blocking assignments nobody knows. How many sacks did he PREVENT last year due to somebody else's fu*k up? There were some of those as well. GO BILLS!!!
Zulu Cthulhu Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 Let Peters survive on the bankers salary, IF he can do the job. Love the avatar dib. Fact is if you trade him for a 1st, you have to overpay another rookie who hasn't proven anything yet. Might as well pay this fat sack now, and send him off to the gym so he can actually get in shape this year, unlike last.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 The economy should have nothing to do with his contract demands. There is a difference between the market and the economy, and there are some real Bolshevicks on this Board... Those of you saying we should trade him and take a tackle in the first round, how much do you think a top-ten tackle is gonna be paid? Guess what, not much less than what Peters is asking for, and he's proven that he can play in this league. I am so sick of the "grass is greener" mentality that pervades this place. If we traded up, for comparison, Glenn Dorsey got 5 years and $50 million for being the 5th player taken last year. That's right, $10 million per season. By the way, he was a consensus elite player (like B.J. Raji this year) and didn't do squat. How does that make Peters' contract issue look now?
dave mcbride Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 The economy should have nothing to do with his contract demands. There is a difference between the market and the economy, and there are some real Bolshevicks on this Board... Those of you saying we should trade him and take a tackle in the first round, how much do you think a top-ten tackle is gonna be paid? Guess what, not much less than what Peters is asking for, and he's proven that he can play in this league. I am so sick of the "grass is greener" mentality that pervades this place. I suspect that the Bills real problem with Peters is that they think, "what happens after we pay him?" He's not a bright guy, and he shows all the signs of a guy whose willing to mail it in after he gets his reward. His late-season "injury" was par for the course. It seemed clear that the Bills really didn't think he was injured all that much prior to the NE game, but from Peters' perspective, playing was beside the point because a) he had been voted to the Pro Bowl (his key objective vis-a-vis boosting his salary potential) and b) the game didn't matter and he could really hurt himself. I don't doubt that he felt the same about playing in the Pro Bowl (which he refused to do). What you have to ask yourself is this: what happens to a guy like that after they get all that money? Over a player's career, has he shown the signs of loving the game for its own sake (dare I say it, but A-Rod is a good example of someone who does) and playing hard regardless of the money, or is he someone who is looking for the big paycheck? Peters is unbelievably talented, but if I had to pick, I'd put him in the latter category. I can't say for sure, of course - I don't know the guy - but he's shown signs that he really, really cares about getting paid above all else. I don't begrudge him that -- once you get paid that much, a brutal game like football can make a guy feel less inclined to put it all on the line. Heck, he couldn't even put it all on the line to play against NE, a team the Bills really need to beat regardless if they've made the playoffs or not. But would I want to be the one paying him? That's where he loses me.
Beerball Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 Am I wrong in thinking that 3M apart/year is not such a big deal? If...big IF other issues have been taken care of then 3M will work itself out. I don't see a story here.
Glass To The Arson Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 I wouldn't pay the guy 9 million a year he was horrid last year
BillsFan Trapped in Pats Land Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 Am I wrong in thinking that 3M apart/year is not such a big deal? If...big IF other issues have been taken care of then 3M will work itself out. I don't see a story here. I agree. Split the difference and move on...
KevinRome Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 Aside from the sticker shock of 11.5M a year, could the Bills even pay it? I don't know what the cap status is for the Bills. Does is break the bank? If the Bills could pay the '09 draft picks and cough-up the bucks for Peters, why not do it?
34-78-83 Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 Some of you are still living in the 90's of NFL salaries. Dudes, Laveranues friggin Coles got 7 Mil per year !! A top 10 LT with top 3 talent surely deserves double figures per year. Please shut up about this and also stop thinking that landing a high draft pick would somehow justify trading this guy. (I know you won't )
Magox Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 Man!! What a bunch of unreasonable, sour, bitter Babies!!!!!! The Bottom line is his talent warrants him to be $10Million + a season. If we don't pay him, someone else will. And guess what? he will be at least a 5 time future probowler and a 2 time ALL Pro Tackle. and I can just see it. We will be stuck with a mediocre LT for the next 5 years, constantly having our qb blind side sacked, searching for that precious LT that we were bitching about for close to a decade before Peters came. What a short memory you guyz have Get a friggin clue, some of your arguments are, he "should get a job elsewhere, work a real job, and complaining about the economy" PALEEEEEESE!!! Stop it!! What world do you guyz live in????? This is the NFL, and he is top talent, and most teams will value his talent. I hope that the Bills don't even consider looking for a trade. Now of course, if a trade offer, that is too good to be true, is offered, then take it. But don't look to trade him. The Bills FO has leverage on this deal. Offer him $10 Million with incentives that could make him the highest paid lineman. If he doesn't take it, then it will be his and our loss. We will get a player that MAY hold out and most likely not play as well as we would hope. But most likely he will take the deal. Think about it. We have the leverage. He can either take the deal, and instead of making $4Million a year he will make at least %150 more, or not take the deal and make the $4million. He would be screwing himself by at least $13 Million over the next two years. WE HAVE THE LEVERAGE!! As long as we don't actively shop him. The deal will get done!!
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