Buffaloed in Pa Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 The draft or one of our own high motor stiffs ? This is still the one that needs the biggest upgrade. The draft will take a player 2-3 years to develope. It`s a trade or one of the two free agents . So that means no pass rush again. Which means a play-off caliber QB with all day to pass , is a LOSS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted March 12, 2009 Author Share Posted March 12, 2009 HMNN thought so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 From most likely to least likely 1. Schobel 2. Draft 3. Ellis (even though I have no idea what he brings to the table other than hope) 4. Kelsay/Denny 5. FA not looking to good at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted March 12, 2009 Author Share Posted March 12, 2009 From most likely to least likely 1. Schobel 2. Draft 3. Ellis (even though I have no idea what he brings to the table other than hope) 4. Kelsay/Denny 5. FA not looking to good at this point Yeah looks like Shi_ . Smells like Shi_ Must be Shi_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 I've run DraftTek's simulator on the possible Peters trade, taking Philly's 21, 28, and RD4 pick. We sign Orlando Pace to a one year contract. Here's that draft: 11 Buffalo Brian Cushing OLB43 USC 21 Buffalo Peria Jerry DT43 Mississippi 28 Buffalo Michael Johnson DE43 Georgia Tech 42 Buffalo Jared Cook TE South Carolina 75 Buffalo Andy Levitre OG Oregon State 106 Buffalo Jason Phillips ILB TCU 117 Buffalo A.Q. Shipley OC Penn State 139 Buffalo Glen Coffee RB Alabama 170 Buffalo Keith Fitzhugh SS Mississippi St 202 Buffalo Marcus McClinton FS Kentucky We move Pace to LT with Chambers backing up, with Levitre and Shipley backing up Walker and Hangartener. Jared Cook is the TE competing with Schouman. We have Stroud-Jerry in the middle with Schobel and Michael Johnson outside. LB's are Mitchell-Poz-Cushing, with new backup Jason Phillips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted March 12, 2009 Author Share Posted March 12, 2009 I've run DraftTek's simulator on the possible Peters trade, taking Philly's 21, 28, and RD4 pick. We sign Orlando Pace to a one year contract. Here's that draft: 11 Buffalo Brian Cushing OLB43 USC 21 Buffalo Peria Jerry DT43 Mississippi 28 Buffalo Michael Johnson DE43 Georgia Tech 42 Buffalo Jared Cook TE South Carolina 75 Buffalo Andy Levitre OG Oregon State 106 Buffalo Jason Phillips ILB TCU 117 Buffalo A.Q. Shipley OC Penn State 139 Buffalo Glen Coffee RB Alabama 170 Buffalo Keith Fitzhugh SS Mississippi St 202 Buffalo Marcus McClinton FS Kentucky We move Pace to LT with Chambers backing up, with Levitre and Shipley backing up Walker and Hangartener. Jared Cook is the TE competing with Schouman. We have Stroud-Jerry in the middle with Schobel and Michael Johnson outside. Sounds better than what we got. Shipley short arms and all is a spark plug. LB's are Mitchell-Poz-Cushing, with new backup Jason Phillips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Considering the only good DE available in FA is Peppers, and he'll cost a 1st rounder and $14M a year, not to mention he wants to play in a 3-4, and the draft isn't that good for pass-rushing DE's, the current stable is what the Bills will have to rely on, with hopefully Ellis showing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Let's look at the DE's available at our pick in each round: RD1- Brian Orakpo---Could go to Cleveland at #5. We'll know a lot more about our chances for a DE after their pick. Everette Brown---Could go to Oakland or Green Bay at #7 or #9. Tyson Jackson---Could go to Green Bay or Buffalo. Aaron Maybin----Probably a 3-4 linebacker. Sorry. RD2- Michael Johnson----St. Louis would take him before us. Robert Ayers----Best bet to be there when we pick, and he could fill the role better than Kelsay. Evander Hood---More of a 3-4 Connor Barwin---A good 2nd choice in RD2; not yet as good as Kelsay but better than Ellis. Jarron Gilbert---More of a 3-4 We'll have to pull the trigger on Jackson in RD1, move up, or hope for Ayers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted March 12, 2009 Author Share Posted March 12, 2009 Let's look at the DE's available at our pick in each round: RD1- Brian Orakpo---Could go to Cleveland at #5. We'll know a lot more about our chances for a DE after their pick. Everette Brown---Could go to Oakland or Green Bay at #7 or #9. Tyson Jackson---Could go to Green Bay or Buffalo. Aaron Maybin----Probably a 3-4 linebacker. Sorry. RD2- Michael Johnson----St. Louis would take him before us. Robert Ayers----Best bet to be there when we pick, and he could fill the role better than Kelsay. Evander Hood---More of a 3-4 Connor Barwin---A good 2nd choice in RD2; not yet as good as Kelsay but better than Ellis. Jarron Gilbert---More of a 3-4 We'll have to pull the trigger on Jackson in RD1, move up, or hope for Ayers. Still none of these players in my mind are going to be an elite pass -rusher. At least not for a couple of yrs. anyway. This again will kill our chances of a play-off game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flbillsfan#1 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 From most likely to least likely 1. Schobel 2. Draft 3. Ellis (even though I have no idea what he brings to the table other than hope) 4. Kelsay/Denny 5. FA not looking to good at this point Prior to the Draft, Pewter Report ( A GREAT Bucs mag & website ) listed Ellis as a likely Bucs pick because of his pass rush ability. Lets hope he gets on the field & CONTRIBUTES in 09. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfreak Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 How about if we give T.O. a shot at rushing the passer? He has already turned us from a last place joke of a team to Super Bowl favorites according to this board at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsNYC Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 How about if we give T.O. a shot at rushing the passer? He has already turned us from a last place joke of a team to Super Bowl favorites according to this board at times. now now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Considering the only good DE available in FA is Peppers, and he'll cost a 1st rounder and $14M a year, not to mention he wants to play in a 3-4, and the draft isn't that good for pass-rushing DE's, the current stable is what the Bills will have to rely on, with hopefully Ellis showing something. And once again, he said he wanted to play in a 3-4...as a linebacker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 The draft or one of our own high motor stiffs ? This is still the one that needs the biggest upgrade. The draft will take a player 2-3 years to develope. It`s a trade or one of the two free agents . So that means no pass rush again. Which means a play-off caliber QB with all day to pass , is a LOSS. Well, a pass rusher does usually take time to develop. However, as I've pointed out before, DeMarcus Ware had 8 sacks as a rookie and Shawne Merriman had 10 sacks as a rookie. Those might not seem like great numbers but they are if you compare them to our leading sacker last year Ryan Denney and his 4 sacks... Also, sacks typically have a multiplier with regards to quarterback pressures. I haven't figured it out yet but one sack may roughly associate with 3 pressures. So 8 sacks...perhaps 24 pressures or 1.5 per game. With 8 sacks and 24 pressures you're talking about harrassing the quarterback twice per game not to forget that good pass rushers draw blocking and free up others to rush the quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted March 14, 2009 Author Share Posted March 14, 2009 Well, a pass rusher does usually take time to develop. However, as I've pointed out before, DeMarcus Ware had 8 sacks as a rookie and Shawne Merriman had 10 sacks as a rookie. Those might not seem like great numbers but they are if you compare them to our leading sacker last year Ryan Denney and his 4 sacks... Also, sacks typically have a multiplier with regards to quarterback pressures. I haven't figured it out yet but one sack may roughly associate with 3 pressures. So 8 sacks...perhaps 24 pressures or 1.5 per game. With 8 sacks and 24 pressures you're talking about harrassing the quarterback twice per game not to forget that good pass rushers draw blocking and free up others to rush the quarterback. There isn`t a pass rusher that is like either of these boys in the draft. I`d say Berry or Taylor is our short fix until someone developes. And who cares about the money. Just do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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