Kenwick Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 To the Eagles he is a "guaranteed" starting OLT who is in his prime and voted to the pro bowl the last two years........ Priceless You can not find a player who is "guaranteed" in the draft...What is his value in points....... points are used in the draft when trading players...... The number one pick is worth 3000 points. He will be a good player but not "guaranteed" The Eagles will know what they are getting in Peters. A player who achieves, has heart & talent...Is dependable and not a trouble maker....... "Guaranteed" or as close as you can get to it... The Eagles could offer the Bills the following.......Their #21 pick worth 800 points, their 28th pick worth 660 points, their 53rd pick worth 370 points and their 85th pick worth 165 points... Total number of points is 1995 which is equivalant to a 4th pick in the draft...... http://www.ourlads.com/nfldraftvalue.cfm The Bills once had a 4th pick named Mike Williams, who was a Offensive Tackle....... He was very offensive if you will remember...... If the Bills do decide to take such a trade what would be their moves? I would move Walker to LT. Chambers to RT. That leaves the Bills needing a starting Center or Guard to be acquired early with one of their picks. The Bills would now have the following picks in the draft. #11 A first round pick #21 A first round pick #28 A first round pick #45 A second round pick #53 A second round pick #75 A third round pick #85 A third round pick They also have one pick in round 4,5,6,7...... They now can fill all their needs with quality players from their draft picks........ They can acquire in no particular order a starting LB, DE, TE, OT, Center/Guard There are still more draft picks to fill out the 53 man roster with quality young players... at many other positions... The Bills would be greatly improving their roster with young talent... There may be a lot of objections to such a deal........ no doubt... from both sides Then maybe not ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 He's worth a sh-- load of draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 "HE'S WORTH MILLIONS!!" -Ko Simpson, Peters' new agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 I would pay him with the average of the top 3-5 OL in the league, but that contract should include incentives that ensures he shows up to trainng camp and OTA's... it should also include bonuses for the team making the playoffs instead of the probowl... if we trade Peters there in no scenario in which we would be a better team in 2009 ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 What is Jason Peters Worth? another thread apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 He's worth a sh-- load of draft picks. Why do you and many others assume that Buffalo gets multiple picks? Not to mention, history has shown roughly 50% of all draft picks go bust within 3 years. So let's say Buffalo gets two picks for Peters - odds suggest you end up swapping out a player for a player. Worst case there is a 1 in 4 chance that both your picks go but and you end up with nothing in exchange. Sign Peters to a new contract and move on. This talk of trading him is stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Why do you and many others assume that Buffalo gets multiple picks? Not to mention, history has shown roughly 50% of all draft picks go bust within 3 years. So let's say Buffalo gets two picks for Peters - odds suggest you end up swapping out a player for a player. Worst case there is a 1 in 4 chance that both your picks go but and you end up with nothing in exchange. Sign Peters to a new contract and move on. This talk of trading him is stupid. because the only incentive for the Bills to trade him would be to rip another team off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyJay1234 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 To the Eagles he is a "guaranteed" starting OLT who is in his prime and voted to the pro bowl the last two years........ PricelessYou can not find a player who is "guaranteed" in the draft...What is his value in points....... points are used in the draft when trading players...... The number one pick is worth 3000 points. He will be a good player but not "guaranteed" The Eagles will know what they are getting in Peters. A player who achieves, has heart & talent...Is dependable and not a trouble maker....... "Guaranteed" or as close as you can get to it... The Eagles could offer the Bills the following.......Their #21 pick worth 800 points, their 28th pick worth 660 points, their 53rd pick worth 370 points and their 85th pick worth 165 points... Total number of points is 1995 which is equivalant to a 4th pick in the draft...... http://www.ourlads.com/nfldraftvalue.cfm The Bills once had a 4th pick named Mike Williams, who was a Offensive Tackle....... He was very offensive if you will remember...... If the Bills do decide to take such a trade what would be their moves? I would move Walker to LT. Chambers to RT. That leaves the Bills needing a starting Center or Guard to be acquired early with one of their picks. The Bills would now have the following picks in the draft. #11 A first round pick #21 A first round pick #28 A first round pick #45 A second round pick #53 A second round pick #75 A third round pick #85 A third round pick They also have one pick in round 4,5,6,7...... They now can fill all their needs with quality players from their draft picks........ They can acquire in no particular order a starting LB, DE, TE, OT, Center/Guard There are still more draft picks to fill out the 53 man roster with quality young players... at many other positions... The Bills would be greatly improving their roster with young talent... There may be a lot of objections to such a deal........ no doubt... from both sides Then maybe not ...... So if you made this trade last year.. It would be Peters for 21- Sam Baker 28- Lawrence Jackson 53- Limas Sweed 85- Craig Stevens. For a ProBowl LT... Not sure but I think a lot of people OVER RATE draft picks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Not sure but I think a lot of people OVER RATE draft picks... Most people do... a LT in the hand is better then 2 in the bush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Not sure but I think a lot of people OVER RATE draft picks... Oh, I'm very sure that people over rate draft picks. By a lot. Half these guys are going to be busts regardless of where you pick them, so I always find it laughable that people complain about "reaching" for a guy selected ten picks before Mel Kiper thought he would go. If you get a solid starter at any point in the draft you are ahead of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 So if you made this trade last year.. It would be Peters for 21- Sam Baker 28- Lawrence Jackson 53- Limas Sweed 85- Craig Stevens. For a ProBowl LT... Not sure but I think a lot of people OVER RATE draft picks... Really? Herschel Walker trade literally built a dynasty in Dallas from all the draft picks they got...they were a 1 win team before that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 He's worth a sh-- load of draft picks. Perhaps while they're at it, the Bills could trade Evans, Lynch, Owens, Stroud, Schobel, Posluszny, McKelvin, and Whitner for first round picks. Coupled with the Peters trade, Buffalo would then have 11 first-round picks, absolutely zero talent on the team, and no one with a clue how to coach said lack of talent. But hey, the Buffalo fans would be contented by once again running the team's most talented player out of town. Sheesh am I tired of reading this stuff...there isn't one other team in the league that would trade Peters, nor shoud there be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fastro Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 I am not sure Peters has trade value above a 1st rd pick and maybe another mid rd pick. Even though he is a proven Pro Bowl player, the Bills would be hard-pressed to find a team that would trade anything above that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 I am not sure Peters has trade value above a 1st rd pick and maybe another mid rd pick. Even though he is a proven Pro Bowl player, the Bills would be hard-pressed to find a team that would trade anything above that. Roy Williams got traded for a 1st 3rd and a 6th... and he has done nothing for 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britbillsfan Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 another thread apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Any Bills fan who wants to win this year shouldn't really be advocating trading Peters for any amount of draft picks. Draft picks rarely have a positive impact in the first year, and not only that there's no guarantee that they will pan out at all. As a matter of fact, playing a rookie is usually a liability. Why would someone want to introduce another liability, when this upcoming year is critical when it comes to making the playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Really? Herschel Walker trade literally built a dynasty in Dallas from all the draft picks they got...they were a 1 win team before that... Here's the Herschel Walker trade: Minnesota Vikings Received: * RB Herschel Walker * Dallas's 3rd round pick - 1990 (54) (Mike Jones) * San Diego's 5th round pick - 1990 (116) (Reggie Thornton) * Dallas's 10th round pick - 1990 (249) (Pat Newman) * Dallas's 3rd round pick - 1991 (68) (Jake Reed) Dallas Cowboys Received: * LB Jesse Solomon * LB David Howard * CB Issiac Holt * RB Darrin Nelson (traded to San Diego after he refused to report to Dallas) * DE Alex Stewart * Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1990 (21) They traded this pick along with pick (81) for pick (17) from Pittsburgh to draft (Emmitt Smith) * Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1990 (47) (Alexander Wright) * Minnesota's 6th round pick in 1990 (158) (traded to New Orleans, who drafted James Williams) * Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1991 (conditional) - (11) (Pat Harlow) * Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1991 (conditional) - (38) (Darryll Lewis) * Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1992 (conditional) - (37) (Darren Woodson) * Minnesota's 3rd round pick in 1992 (conditional) - (71) (traded to New England, who drafted Kevin Turner) * Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1993 (conditional) - (13) (traded to Philadelphia Eagles, and then to the Houston Oilers, who drafted Brad Hopkins) So the Cowboys ended up with Emmit Smith, Darren Woodson (and some inconsequential players). Of the picks they received for Walker that they later traded away, they picked up defensive tackle Russell Maryland. No bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofton80 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Absolutley correct. An athletic LT is near impossible to find. Draft picks take time to develop particularly offensive tackles. I would pay Peters and enter the draft with the #11 pick. Not sure but I think a lot of people OVER RATE draft picks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInSouthBuffalo Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 The Eagles could offer the Bills the following.......Their #21 pick worth 800 points, their 28th pick worth 660 points, their 53rd pick worth 370 points and their 85th pick worth 165 points... Total number of points is 1995 which is equivalant to a 4th pick in the draft...... The Bills would now have the following picks in the draft. #11 A first round pick #21 A first round pick #28 A first round pick #45 A second round pick #53 A second round pick #75 A third round pick #85 A third round pick They also have one pick in round 4,5,6,7...... That's not how it's going to work though. No one is going to give you #4 overall pick value for Peters. If the trade is with the Eagles for Peters I'd say their #21 and maybe #85 is what the Bills would end up getting. Plus there's no way the Bills could or would pay that many first day picks. Even if Peters isn't traded I'd say a trade with the Eagles is still possible if the Eagles want to move to #11 to get an Offensive Tackle. I'd rather keep Peters and make the deal with the Eagles to trade the Bills #11 (1,250 points) for the Eagles #1-21 (800 points), #2-53 (370), and #4-117 (60 points). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 That's not how it's going to work though. No one is going to give you #4 overall pick value for Peters. If the trade is with the Eagles for Peters I'd say their #21 and maybe #85 is what the Bills would end up getting. Plus there's no way the Bills could or would pay that many first day picks. Even if Peters isn't traded I'd say a trade with the Eagles is still possible if the Eagles want to move to #11 to get an Offensive Tackle. I'd rather keep Peters and make the deal with the Eagles to trade the Bills #11 (1,250 points) for the Eagles #1-21 (800 points), #2-53 (370), and #4-117 (60 points). Before we get too far into trade values and points, it's worth noting that the old 3,000-point system was re-worked prior to last year's draft to take into account the amount of guaranteed money a team must shell out for a top-10 pick. Here's the new chart: Round 1 Round 2 1 2,000 33 570 2 1,900 34 560 3 1,825 35 550 4 1,750 36 540 5 1,675 37 530 6 1,635 38 520 7 1,570 39 510 8 1,505 40 500 9 1,440 41 490 10 1,375 42 480 11 1,320 43 470 12 1,275 44 460 13 1,230 45 450 14 1,185 46 440 15 1,140 47 430 16 1,110 48 420 17 1,070 49 410 18 1,040 50 400 19 1,010 51 390 20 980 52 380 21 945 53 370 22 920 54 360 23 895 55 350 24 870 56 340 25 845 57 330 26 820 58 320 27 795 59 310 28 770 60 300 29 745 61 292 30 720 62 284 31 695 63 276 32 670 64 270 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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