spartacus Posted March 11, 2009 Posted March 11, 2009 If they give up both of their 1st round picks for him you almost have to do the deal. That would give us three 1st round picks. You talk about being able to build a team quick? That would enable us to get ALOT of talent out of this year's draft pool. We could get Alex Mack to play OG or C, an OT replacement for Peters, and a DE like Ayers or Johnson in the 1st. none of those 3 1st round picks are high enough to bring the Bills impact playmakers
Alphadawg7 Posted March 11, 2009 Posted March 11, 2009 none of those 3 1st round picks are high enough to bring the Bills impact playmakers I hope that was meant to be sarcastic...if not, then do you think thats a little bit of a bold statement? Boldin was a 2nd round pick...hes an impact player right? What about Brady, what round was he drafted in? Terrell Davis...what round was he drafted in? Drew Brees also a 2nd round pick...the list can go on and on...
VABills Posted March 11, 2009 Posted March 11, 2009 The probowl has nothing to do with it, and we both know that. How many times in NFL history has a good LT been traded, let alone one as talented as Peters. It doesn't happen. C'mon VA.....seriously, how long have Flo Adams and Tra Thomas stayed on their respective teams? Peters blows both of them away. Not only that, we are talking about replacing him with a rookie. Superstars can make that work. Ogden and Pace walked on the field and were great, but we pick at #11, not in the top 5. Do you want to draft a rookie, send him on the field, and tell him, "go ahead kid, go block Richard Seymour." Guess what? Peters CAN block Richard Seymour. You just don't trade a guy this good. Bill, I disagree. If we create a hole at LT but fill the hole at LG, DE, LB and find a servicable LT then we have to do it. 13.5 million a year is more than Ralph will be happy with and he 'll just get cheap and not plug those other holes. If you're running a West Coast style offense the quick hitter and easy reads are what you need and your not going to get pressure off the edge in that style offense. So a super star LT (which you and I disagree that peters is) will not be required.
Alphadawg7 Posted March 11, 2009 Posted March 11, 2009 Bill, I disagree. If we create a hole at LT but fill the hole at LG, DE, LB and find a servicable LT then we have to do it. 13.5 million a year is more than Ralph will be happy with and he 'll just get cheap and not plug those other holes. If you're running a West Coast style offense the quick hitter and easy reads are what you need and your not going to get pressure off the edge in that style offense. So a super star LT (which you and I disagree that peters is) will not be required. Nice post...totally agree...
Numark Posted March 11, 2009 Posted March 11, 2009 I just think this is silly how this has turned into a debate on how good peters is. The man is a top 5 LT easily in this league which is great for his age. Guess, what he did give up the most sacks in the league after missing the whole offseason. but you know what the espn stat page doesn't tell you? What he did on the other 500 plays where he didn't give up a sack. You all have no idea if he was bad or good those plays..... and guess what? he was good.
BillsFan Trapped in Pats Land Posted March 11, 2009 Posted March 11, 2009 Again: Who (not a poster on this board) has stated that the Eagles would even remotely consider giving up 2 1st rounders??? I keep telling people that Adrianna Lima wants to bang me, but no one is buying it.
VABills Posted March 11, 2009 Posted March 11, 2009 I hope that was meant to be sarcastic...if not, then do you think thats a little bit of a bold statement? Boldin was a 2nd round pick...hes an impact player right? What about Brady, what round was he drafted in? Terrell Davis...what round was he drafted in? Drew Brees also a 2nd round pick...the list can go on and on... Trent Edwards? He outplayed that super star first rounder. You knows what's sad about that? Edwards didn't play that good, which means.
Alphadawg7 Posted March 11, 2009 Posted March 11, 2009 I just think this is silly how this has turned into a debate on how good peters is. The man is a top 5 LT easily in this league which is great for his age. Guess, what he did give up the most sacks in the league after missing the whole offseason. but you know what the espn stat page doesn't tell you? What he did on the other 500 plays where he didn't give up a sack. You all have no idea if he was bad or good those plays..... and guess what? he was good. Ok, Im just curious now... What do you base your claims on that he was that good? There are a lot of LT's who gave up less sacks than him, so guess what, that means on the other 500 and 10 plays they didnt give up sacks either...so what makes Peters better than them other than you have been told he is great? Because by your analysis above that would make the other LT's better. Truth is, he wasn't that great in the run game and not only did he give up a lot of sacks, but he also struggled keeping people out the backfield which disrupted a lot more plays than just the ones he gave up sacks on. I want to keep him, and think he has a lot of potential, but if he is ELITE, he should have found his game at no less than mid season...but he struggled ALL year...so how do you know that he will be able to get back to that Elite level from 2007?
Alphadawg7 Posted March 11, 2009 Posted March 11, 2009 Again: Who (not a poster on this board) has stated that the Eagles would even remotely consider giving up 2 1st rounders??? I keep telling people that Adrianna Lima wants to bang me, but no one is buying it. Most logical thing anyone has said on this thread... No way Philly gives us 2 first rounders in the same draft, especailly since they still desperately need a WR and now a TE...
Flbillsfan#1 Posted March 11, 2009 Posted March 11, 2009 Again: Who (not a poster on this board) has stated that the Eagles would even remotely consider giving up 2 1st rounders??? I keep telling people that Adrianna Lima wants to bang me, but no one is buying it. Why would Adrianna want you when she could have ME?
BuffaloBill Posted March 11, 2009 Posted March 11, 2009 Bill, I disagree. If we create a hole at LT but fill the hole at LG, DE, LB and find a servicable LT then we have to do it. 13.5 million a year is more than Ralph will be happy with and he 'll just get cheap and not plug those other holes. If you're running a West Coast style offense the quick hitter and easy reads are what you need and your not going to get pressure off the edge in that style offense. So a super star LT (which you and I disagree that peters is) will not be required. Why do people like you on this board find it hard to admit that NFL people paid to assess talent for a living consistently rave about Peters? If Peters had not held out this past year nobody would be on the "trade Peters" bandwagon. Also, did you notice that the Bills dumped Dockery and not Peters? Perhaps some of the "problems" attributed to Peters really should be put on the shoulders of Dockery. Teams that are successful resign their best players. The Bills have enough trouble landing top talent. They certainly do not need to let Peters walk.
VABills Posted March 11, 2009 Posted March 11, 2009 Why do people like you on this board find it hard to admit that NFL people paid to assess talent for a living consistently rave about Peters? If Peters had not held out this past year nobody would be on the "trade Peters" bandwagon. Also, did you notice that the Bills dumped Dockery and not Peters? Perhaps some of the "problems" attributed to Peters really should be put on the shoulders of Dockery. Teams that are successful resign their best players. The Bills have enough trouble landing top talent. They certainly do not need to let Peters walk. So when did 7-9 become successful?
OCinBuffalo Posted March 11, 2009 Posted March 11, 2009 Jason Peters is worth 2 first round picks and two thirds. Period. All day, every day, and here's why: No Single Man is worth 4 starters on any team. If you have to choose between losing 4 starters or one superstar you choose the superstar every time because this is not golf. Mike Ditka/Ricky Williams proved that once and for all. I don't care if we are talking about Montana, even he wasn't worth 4 starters on his team. Picks 1-3 are supposed to be starters, and 1st round picks are supposed to have a shot a pro-bowl level. Here's another reason: as I literally knock on wood, Injury. What if we did get those 4 picks from Philly and Peters(knock) got hurt? That's a body blow a team doesn't just recover from... Both of these teams are going to overvalue their positions, and this is the kind of deal that somebody usually loses big on. So, I don't see it happening, because of the riskiness to both sides. Unless Philly is desperate and willing to take the chance of giving up their draft, or, Buffalo is desperate and thinks it's ok to take less than he's worth, basically take what they can get for Peters before he holds out again, the thinking being that they will get more now than later, once these problems inevitably start up again. Thing is: does anybody see either Philly or Buffalo as desperate? If anything Philly needs to sign somebody after losing the people they have, and so that makes them need us a little more, not much. Then again, we did give them an ass raping on the Spikes trade(thanks for .5 of Stroud, a-holes), maybe they liked it?
spartacus Posted March 11, 2009 Posted March 11, 2009 I hope that was meant to be sarcastic...if not, then do you think thats a little bit of a bold statement? Boldin was a 2nd round pick...hes an impact player right? What about Brady, what round was he drafted in? Terrell Davis...what round was he drafted in? Drew Brees also a 2nd round pick...the list can go on and on... if we had a front office that could find and evaluate talent and turn those picks into star playmakers- then it may make sense but when for 10 years the same talent evaluators have continuously blown and wasted premium picks, why would you give up a sure thing in Peters for multiple chances to screw the pooch? more picks like Hardy, POZ, McCargo, etc I'll take my chances with Peters
Flbillsfan#1 Posted March 11, 2009 Posted March 11, 2009 So when did 7-9 become successful? The point is a team does not BECOME successful by letting their best players leave.
Bill from NYC Posted March 11, 2009 Posted March 11, 2009 Most logical thing anyone has said on this thread... No way Philly gives us 2 first rounders in the same draft, especailly since they still desperately need a WR and now a TE... I don't agree with this even a little AD7. My theory is that almost every great LT was a top 5 pick. I am not going to bother listing them; I'm sure that you know who they are. I don't have a draft value chart in front of me, but I would be quite sure that a 21 and a 28 wouldn't add up to a top 5 pick. Am I correct? Do you see my point at all? I am saying that because he plays LT, teams would probably need to use a top 5 pick to get a guy who might be as good as Peters. The great ones are long gone by 21 more often than not. Now, if you don't believe that Peters is a top quality LT, perhaps I can understand your position.
Bill from NYC Posted March 11, 2009 Posted March 11, 2009 if we had a front office that could find and evaluate talent and turn those picks into star playmakers- then it may make sense but when for 10 years the same talent evaluators have continuously blown and wasted premium picks, why would you give up a sure thing in Peters for multiple chances to screw the pooch? more picks like Hardy, POZ, McCargo, etc I'll take my chances with Peters I am fond of Poz, but this post is not to be taken lightly.
BillsFan Trapped in Pats Land Posted March 11, 2009 Posted March 11, 2009 Even my bloodshot eye memory of that 8:30 econ class is that in the free market something is worth ONLY what someone is willing to pay for it.
MarkyMannn Posted March 11, 2009 Posted March 11, 2009 13.5 million a year is more than Ralph will be happy with That kind of cash, if true, is Albert Haynesworth territory. Way too much cash for one year of performance like Peters had. Geez, you could get two more TO's for that kind of money
KOKBILLS Posted March 11, 2009 Posted March 11, 2009 Again: Who (not a poster on this board) has stated that the Eagles would even remotely consider giving up 2 1st rounders??? I keep telling people that Adrianna Lima wants to bang me, but no one is buying it. Well I'm not sure about the two 1st Rounders thing...But I know Adriana Lima does not want to bang You first of all because You spelled Her name wrong...She hates that! And secondly cause She's already banging Me...
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