dickie do-right Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 1. TE Pettigrew OSU 2. DE English NIU 3. LG Urbick WIS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJBuffalo Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I am going to sit at 11 and let the draft come to me. If a QB like Stafford or Sanchez is there. I want to play my cards to go back and grab an extra #2. If we can move back to the 20-25 range, I grab Tyson Jackson. In the second, I take Duke Robinson and one of the TE's (Coffman, Nelson or Casey). If no traders, I am looking at the best impact guy for 2010 (no development guys). I imagine they have 2-3 guys they expect to be there and I expect a DT or DE to be the pick. Jerry or the Texas pass rusher. I like the idea, but Tyson Jackson isnt the pass rush specialist that we need. He more of a 3/4 end, i guess he could play DT on pass rushing downs but i think we need either Orapko, Brown, Maybin ( possibly at LB), Johnson, or Ayers. Maybe we take a chance on one of these guys falling to us if we don't want to reach at 11. Or we could trade to around 20-25 and grab johnson/ayers. I wouldnt mind jonhson or ayers late first or early second. What about a LB at 11. Then trading up as we have done so often for ayers/jonhson. I do not think LG is as big of a need as LB and DE( this is if we do not sign a LB in free agency). adding two defensive pospects in the top 35 picks should greatly improve this young D. Also, if the Bills sign a LB in free ageny, look for the Bills to go after a play making safety. Lets say they sign June. trade down to 20-25, draft S Moore, Ayers and Mack in the second, and grab a TE in the 3rd. I like that scenario best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Why? We don't run a 3-4, so unless we're blitzing the WLB every play (which we can't) it's a wasted pick. Uh... how about because we need a linebacker... and we need a pass rush? You may want to start with that. Both of them can either play at DE or OLB. Good point. It just makes him completely ineffective. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. You haven't seen enough of Fine to deem him "completely ineffective." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJBuffalo Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 You're partially right there, but remember Pat Williams was a DT, not a DE. DT's 40 times are generally irrelevant. DE's are not. Dwight Freeney ran a 4.38. Are you sure he ran a 4.38. That is what Lee Evans ran. You are telling me that Freeney is just as fast as Lee Evans?? Ihighly doubt that. A 40 time that does come to mind is a few yrs back Suggs ran in the 4.8s and everyone was weiry of drafting him top 10. He fell to Baltimore and they jumped all over him. You can throw out the 40 time for DEs. I would rather watch tape of them with a stop watch and time them getting to the QB or around the OT, combined with skills/moves. How much of a quick-twitch athlete they are?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 You're partially right there, but remember Pat Williams was a DT, not a DE. DT's 40 times are generally irrelevant. DE's are not. Dwight Freeney ran a 4.38. 40 times for ANY lineman are irrelevant. You don't judge a lineman by how fast he can run 40 yards... because they never run 40 yards. You use the shuttle times and 10 yard times as your indicator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I'm not sure why anybody is high on Ayers. Mayock has him #12 Overall...I did not need Mayock to tell me the Kid has some serious talent though...I just watched those Sr. Bowl One-On-One's...I was like..."Who is that Kid?" Honestly I have no idea how a DE with that much natural ability only has 3 Sacks in a Full Season...And I admit that is a bit worrisome...But a DE with that much upside at a solid 270 lbs...I think He's exactly what the Bills Need short and long term... We'll see though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Kalimba Edwards couldn't even start in Detroit. In 11 starts with Oakland he had just five sacks. He's only slightly more exciting than Jason Babin. I'll pass on him. I'd rather give Hargrove another shot. He's four years younger and has more upside than K. Edwards. Uhh, 5 sacks in 11 games is a lot better than anything we had last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidas Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Are you sure he ran a 4.38. That is what Lee Evans ran. You are telling me that Freeney is just as fast as Lee Evans?? Ihighly doubt that. A 40 time that does come to mind is a few yrs back Suggs ran in the 4.8s and everyone was weiry of drafting him top 10. He fell to Baltimore and they jumped all over him. You can throw out the 40 time for DEs. I would rather watch tape of them with a stop watch and time them getting to the QB or around the OT, combined with skills/moves. How much of a quick-twitch athlete they are?? http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/2002draft/des/dwightfreeney.htm 40 times for ANY lineman are irrelevant. You don't judge a lineman by how fast he can run 40 yards... because they never run 40 yards. You use the shuttle times and 10 yard times as your indicator. You know that you can use the 40 yard dash to extrapolate quickness and speed even if they don't run a full 40 yards on most plays...right? And you also know that it is only one indicator, right? So that when a guy comes in with twenty-four sacks in a season and runs a 4.8 (Terrell Suggs) you know the guy can still play, but when a guy comes in with three and runs a 4.8 (Robert Ayers) you might want to avoid the guy. This makes sense to you...right?? You keep your slow, lumbering Kelsay-esque DE's. I'll take my chances with guys like Dwight Freeney. Mayock has him #12 Overall...I did not need Mayock to tell me the Kid has some serious talent though...I just watched those Sr. Bowl One-On-One's...I was like..."Who is that Kid?" Honestly I have no idea how a DE with that much natural ability only has 3 Sacks in a Full Season...And I admit that is a bit worrisome...But a DE with that much upside at a solid 270 lbs...I think He's exactly what the Bills Need short and long term... We'll see though... Exactly, just three sacks in a full season against college talent. Less than half of what Chris Kelsay had his final season. I don't want anything to do with that guy. Uhh, 5 sacks in 11 games is a lot better than anything we had last season. So we replace poor playing with mediocrity? That's the spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidas Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Uh... how about because we need a linebacker... and we need a pass rush? You may want to start with that. Both of them can either play at DE or OLB. I don't want a tweener. Unless he's Jason Taylor he probably won't be terrorizing QB's from the DE position if he's more suited to play LB. You haven't seen enough of Fine to deem him "completely ineffective." And no, I haven't. What I was saying is that if he is a slow, lumbering TE and he, in fact, isn't much of a blocker, then he is completely ineffective. If he gets some speed and can get open then obviously that's not the case. I'm afraid the former is more likely though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Cthulhu Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I am going to sit at 11 and let the draft come to me. If a QB like Stafford or Sanchez is there. I want to play my cards to go back and grab an extra #2. If we can move back to the 20-25 range, I grab Tyson Jackson. In the second, I take Duke Robinson and one of the TE's (Coffman, Nelson or Casey). If no traders, I am looking at the best impact guy for 2010 (no development guys). I imagine they have 2-3 guys they expect to be there and I expect a DT or DE to be the pick. Jerry or the Texas pass rusher. Hopefully, on draft day you are in a weekend remedial English class learning how to form complete sentences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 You know that you can use the 40 yard dash to extrapolate quickness and speed even if they don't run a full 40 yards on most plays...right? And you also know that it is only one indicator, right? So that when a guy comes in with twenty-four sacks in a season and runs a 4.8 (Terrell Suggs) you know the guy can still play, but when a guy comes in with three and runs a 4.8 (Robert Ayers) you might want to avoid the guy. This makes sense to you...right?? I don't even know what your first sentence means. If you are trying to say that you can use the first 10 yards of the 40 as an indicator then you are proving my exact point. And if you aren't, people can run a fast 40 and a slow first 10 yards. Its called having no quickness. Straight line speed for a lineman is useless. If you aren't quick in a 10 yard radius, you aren't going to be successful. You keep your slow, lumbering Kelsay-esque DE's. I'll take my chances with guys like Dwight Freeney. What the hell are you talking about? When did I ever say I wanted slow, lumbering DE's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidas Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Uhh, 5 sacks in 11 games is a lot better than anything we had last season. Hell, not even replacing poor playing with mediocrity. Ryan Denney started 11 games last year and had four sacks. Edwards had five. Why you think bringing in a guy with such little upside who is turning 30 this year is a good idea??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syhuang Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Since you guys play GM on draft Day, I'll play Mort: All Bills' draft picks are reach, all players could have been available in round 7. I give Buffalo a D- !! BTW, even Donahoe isn't a GM and doesn't make any pick on draft day, I still give him a A+ for all the draft choices he would have made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Hell, not even replacing poor playing with mediocrity. Ryan Denney started 11 games last year and had four sacks. Edwards had five. Why you think bringing in a guy with such little upside who is turning 30 this year is a good idea??? When did I ever say it was a good idea? You said he couldn't even start for Detroit (which I took to mean that you think he's about as bad as they come) and I just pointed out that getting about 1 sack every 2 games isn't half bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidas Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I don't even know what your first sentence means. If you are trying to say that you can use the first 10 yards of the 40 as an indicator then you are proving my exact point. And if you aren't, people can run a fast 40 and a slow first 10 yards. Its called having no quickness. Straight line speed for a lineman is useless. If you aren't quick in a 10 yard radius, you aren't going to be successful. Why do the 40 yard dash then? Just for fun? Or is it to be used as a tool for measuring speed, when other factors (college production, shuttle drill, cone drills, etc.) are taken into consideration? My relief that you are not the GM is trumped only by my relief that you are not a scout. What the hell are you talking about? When did I ever say I wanted slow, lumbering DE's? You said the 40 is irrelevant for DE's. You can have the ones that don't do well in it then. I'll take the Freeneys and Orakpos of the world. And before you even start, I would have taken Suggs anyway. He was a monster in college. People who only consider the 40 are stupid. People who think it's irrelevant are even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidas Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 When did I ever say it was a good idea? You said he couldn't even start for Detroit (which I took to mean that you think he's about as bad as they come) and I just pointed out that getting about 1 sack every 2 games isn't half bad. Do you want him in Buffalo?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Do you want him in Buffalo?? No I want us to pick up a pass rusher in the draft (I like Orakpo if he falls to us) and then have Denney and Kelsay fight it out to be the first DE off the bench, with Schobel as the other starter. Right now, we should use our resources to pick up a guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidas Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 No Okay then. So then this... Uhh, 5 sacks in 11 games is a lot better than anything we had last season. was just to be argumentative?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I draft Bobby Bouche - Southwest Central Luosiana State, and trade my second round pick for Shane Flaco. Bouche can play OLB and really should fix our pass rush, and Shane is a championship winning QB who always wants teh ball when the game is on the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Okay then. So then this... was just to be argumentative?? I'm only allowed to say positive things about players that I think the Bills should seek to sign/trade for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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