DeeRay Posted November 2, 2004 Posted November 2, 2004 I think most of us will agree the OL is still a concern after 4 years of Teflon Tom's reign. So here are some questions. What are the answers? Is Jonas Jennings gone? Will Teague take over at LT? Will/can Jason Bannan make the swith to the OL during the off season? Is Tucker the answer at center? Who might be the likely FA O lineman the Bills might pickup? Do Sobieski, Pucillo, McFarland figure in the mix?
Beerball Posted November 2, 2004 Posted November 2, 2004 I think most of us will agree the OL is still a concern after 4 years of Teflon Tom's reign. Is Jonas Jennings gone? Will Teague take over at LT? Is Tucker the answer at center? Do Sobieski, Pucillo, McFarland figure in the mix? 96343[/snapback] My guess yes, Jonas is gone. Someone will make a big mistake and throw a ton of cash his way. Teague--barring a FA signing yes Tucker--seems to be doing well Those three are gone. One for you...do you move Williams to guard? If you do, that leaves two new tackles next year.
DeeRay Posted November 2, 2004 Author Posted November 2, 2004 One for you...do you move Williams to guard? If you do, that leaves two new tackles next year. Good one... I hadn't thought of that possibility? Could Williams play LG... because Villarial, it would seem to me, owns the RG spot...at least for now. Plus... if I drink the teflon Tom Koolaid, his comments from yesterday would be favorable for Mike to come back at RT. And... would we consider re-signing Jonas at a reasonable salary and moving him back to RT?
Guest Guest_keithg_* Posted November 2, 2004 Posted November 2, 2004 another concern is Marcus Price...he is good when he plays, but he also gets dinged up a bit and he is not a spring chicken...I think he could start at either tackle spot next year but we better have a youngster ready to step in if he goes down.
Bill from NYC Posted November 2, 2004 Posted November 2, 2004 I am thinking that the team needs one free agent, and at least two draft picks in this particular off season. It would help if the draft picks were able to play football, unlike recent linemen drafted by TD. When the OL is weak enough to need defensive tackles to block, it is time for an overhaul.
ICE Posted November 2, 2004 Posted November 2, 2004 I say move MW to guard and be done with it. He is too big for tackle. Sign a FA Center if possible, if not draft one worth a damn! Work on Price and Teague at tackles. keep the depth we have.
ICE Posted November 2, 2004 Posted November 2, 2004 YUP. IMO, resign Price and name him the starting RT. If Big Mike keeps playing well, keep him at tackle but, move him to LT, if his play downfalls at Tackle, move him to LG. Draft a Center(Ben Wilkerson, LSU) with our first pick in the 2nd round. And, draft a LG or LT in the 3rd round depending on where Mike Williams plays. 96642[/snapback] I've still gotta say no to MW being a tackle. He is too BIG for OT's these days. Pass rushers are way to fast. DT's are getting HUGE Across the board. I would feel much better with a Smart, Strong and BIG Center along with MW and Villarial covering the middle.
Bill from NYC Posted November 2, 2004 Posted November 2, 2004 I say move MW to guard and be done with it. He is too big for tackle. Sign a FA Center if possible, if not draft one worth a damn! Work on Price and Teague at tackles. keep the depth we have. 96638[/snapback] You would be satisfied with Teague and Price as your starting OTs? I would not. Besides, who would back them up? ICE, is your post based on the premise that McNally would make supersatrs out of both of them?
bobblehead Posted November 2, 2004 Posted November 2, 2004 My guess yes, Jonas is gone. Someone will make a big mistake and throw a ton of cash his way. Teague--barring a FA signing yes Tucker--seems to be doing well Those three are gone. One for you...do you move Williams to guard? If you do, that leaves two new tackles next year. 96351[/snapback] Sobieski is on the shelf for the year, so I don't know about him. McFarland is, well, a bit small for Tackle, IMO. Pucillo just flat out sucks. Teague stays, he has improved. Tucker will have to make the team. Williams stays at Tackle. Jennings is gone. So, Teague, Williams, Villerial stay. Sobieski and Tucker to try out at camp. Jennings, McFarland, Pucillo gone.
respk Posted November 2, 2004 Posted November 2, 2004 I'm expecting a HUGE game from the OLine this week against the Jets. I just saw the pancake block Bannan made on the touchdown. I don't remember the last time I saw the OLine get a block like that especially in a crucial situation like that. I'm hoping McNally plays that sequence over and over and over for them to see. I'm hoping they have night mares over that block by a defensive lineman no less.
ICE Posted November 2, 2004 Posted November 2, 2004 You would be satisfied with Teague and Price as your starting OTs? I would not. Besides, who would back them up? ICE, is your post based on the premise that McNally would make supersatrs out of both of them? 96657[/snapback] If JMac can't then no one can. I want a New Center, Price at one of the tackles and MW At guard. The other tackle either draft or sign
R. Rich Posted November 2, 2004 Posted November 2, 2004 If you were to go with Price as a starter, you'd better have a good backup available. I don't think it's a bad idea, though. Jennings can be let go, unless he wants to sign at a reasonable rate and compete for a starting position. He shouldn't just be handed one, as he hasn't distinguished himself at LT to the point where that should happen. Move Big Mike inside to guard. It minimizes his obvious weakness against speed rushers and helps to solidify the middle against the increasingly larger DTs (look at guys like Haynesworth, Henderson, and Stroud!!!). Teague is NOT the answer at left tackle. At all. Denver did not make an offer to retain him, or else he'd still be there. He was set to be replaced as the starter at LT, regardless of his contract situation. What I hope is that we make an aggressive move to sign a guy like Walter Jones to be the LT. I know it would be tough, as he wants lots of $$$ to play wherever he goes, but we should see if we can work something out with him. If we're successful with that, I'd hope we also look to draft a center AND a guard EARLY in next year's draft. We have average (barely) talent starting for us with very little depth. There is NO excuse for neglecting the line again this coming offseason.
Bill from NYC Posted November 2, 2004 Posted November 2, 2004 If you were to go with Price as a starter, you'd better have a good backup available. I don't think it's a bad idea, though. Jennings can be let go, unless he wants to sign at a reasonable rate and compete for a starting position. He shouldn't just be handed one, as he hasn't distinguished himself at LT to the point where that should happen. Move Big Mike inside to guard. It minimizes his obvious weakness against speed rushers and helps to solidify the middle against the increasingly larger DTs (look at guys like Haynesworth, Henderson, and Stroud!!!). Teague is NOT the answer at left tackle. At all. Denver did not make an offer to retain him, or else he'd still be there. He was set to be replaced as the starter at LT, regardless of his contract situation. What I hope is that we make an aggressive move to sign a guy like Walter Jones to be the LT. I know it would be tough, as he wants lots of $$$ to play wherever he goes, but we should see if we can work something out with him. If we're successful with that, I'd hope we also look to draft a center AND a guard EARLY in next year's draft. We have average (barely) talent starting for us with very little depth. There is NO excuse for neglecting the line again this coming offseason. 97190[/snapback] I am all for drafting a center, but tell me, is Tucker looking OK? Btw, I am still bummed out that neither you nor Badolbilz likes Hopkins. As for Jones, I would like to offer him 45 million for 6 years, with a 15 million dollar signing bonus.
CarolinaBill99 Posted November 2, 2004 Posted November 2, 2004 I wouldn't be surprised if Dylan McFarland turns out to compete for a starting job next year. He is a project type with physical skills that McNally has been known to make better. He is 6-5 305 lbs and with a frame to put on weight according to the Bills Draft board. He has been unsucessful putting on weight in college but Rusty will have no problem helping him with that. He played LT and center in college so he has some versatility. I would not rely on this to happen, go make other plans, but you can never have too many good lineman.
R. Rich Posted November 2, 2004 Posted November 2, 2004 I am all for drafting a center, but tell me, is Tucker looking OK? Btw, I am still bummed out that neither you nor Badolbilz likes Hopkins. As for Jones, I would like to offer him 45 million for 6 years, with a 15 million dollar signing bonus. 97213[/snapback] Tucker is looking okay. Even if he pans out at center, we can still use quality depth. That's why it's important to address the line early in the draft. Even without a first round pick, you can still find excellent interior OL in rounds 2 and 3, where they mostly end up being taken anyway. We discussed Hopkins? You'll have to refresh my memory on that one. Jones would be a nice addition to our OL, don't you think? Look at what bringing in Spikes did for the LB unit. I sure hope it can happen. Sorry 'bout not making it back to your spot after the game. We left pretty quickly due to the weather and having to drive back to Erie.
/dev/null Posted November 2, 2004 Posted November 2, 2004 LT - Teague LG - Williams C - Tucker RG - Villarell RT - McFarland Pucillo, Smith, and Sobeski backups, plus a draftee or 2 Jennings and Price leave as UFAs
bartshan-83 Posted November 2, 2004 Posted November 2, 2004 I very much disagree with allowing Teague to cover JPs blindside. We just drafted our hopeful star QB for the next decade and if we make ANY big FA move this offseason, I would hope it would be to get him a very good LT to protect him. Allowing Teague to protect him will shorten his career. I'm with you Rich, if we could only get Jones (did the Rams lock up Pace long term?). It would take some serious dough, but i think it would be worth it. For the rest of the line, I like the idea of moving Mike inside but IF, IF we do that, definitely wait till the offseason. Things haven't been that bad since Willis started picking up blitzers, lets see where this current alignmnet gets us. peace
Estro Posted November 2, 2004 Posted November 2, 2004 Hear me out now everyone seems to be under the impression we drated Mike Williams to be our Right tackle. Thats what Tom Donahoe said in one of those prior Q & A, but thats a bunch of garbage. The season before we used Jennings at Rt and thats where he was much more suited to play. I think Jennings would've been a solid right tackle, but think hes a little too slow for the more athletic LT postion. Then right after we picked Williams talk was he'd be our dominant LT for the next 10 years. Sure enough we move him to RT showing that he wasnt ready to take over the LT spot, and now Donahoe acts as if that was the original intent to play him at RT. I don't buy it. You dont sign a starting RT to the type of deal Big Mike got. I'm not criticizing Big Mike I think he can still be the dominant force we need him to be (hopefully soon), but rather I'm angry at Tom Donahoe for actually believeing us fans are that stupid. Mike was drafted to be our LT not out RT I don't care what garbage Donahoe says, he beats around the bush way too often. I don't know but does anyone know what the average money a RT gets, I'm sure Mike Willaims is way up their if not the highest paid RT in the league. Anyone who knows let me know I'm interested to see where Mike stacks up salary wise with the rest of him because at this point hes very average and doesnt deserve top dollars.
HarkinBanks Posted November 2, 2004 Posted November 2, 2004 Little bird told me that Jason Peters is an absolutely unbelievable athelete at tackle and will figure in the mix for sure next year. Problem is that he is not very bright and I don't know how much that will hold him back.
ICE Posted November 2, 2004 Posted November 2, 2004 LT Free Agent LG Mike Williams C Tucker RT Villarial RT Price or Draft pick. Do that and we are in much better shape.
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