ch19079 Posted August 25, 2004 Posted August 25, 2004 ok, i hear talk about placing players on IR. and how this will force them to be out the entire season. so my question is, what good would come of this?? do we get an extra roster spot? does his cap hit not count? why do it at all, if it wont allow him to come back for the last few games????
Steven in MD Posted August 25, 2004 Posted August 25, 2004 It gets you back the roster spot, and the players salary (not signing bonus amortization) also does not count against your salary cap. If you do not believe the player will contribute during the season (ACL injury) you can still have the player participate in off field activities (film review, etc) just no on field practice for the season.
Matt in KC Posted August 25, 2004 Posted August 25, 2004 Aren't you just inactive for 10 weeks? Can anyone find the rules about IR to post here? I took a quick look, but need to get back to work....
Steven in MD Posted August 25, 2004 Posted August 25, 2004 The Bills can NOT put Losman on IR and just let him be inactive till he is ready to play, but he would take up one of the 53 roster spots.
ch19079 Posted August 25, 2004 Author Posted August 25, 2004 ive heard stories about coaches placing healthy players on IR, to get a few extra roster spots....
eSJayDee Posted August 25, 2004 Posted August 25, 2004 I believe their salaries DO count against the cap. This is the reason that teams tries to leave a bit of spare cap room in case they need to sign someone else.
IndyJay1234 Posted August 25, 2004 Posted August 25, 2004 PUP list just like Willis last year is what they will do.
Ramius Posted August 25, 2004 Posted August 25, 2004 I believe their salaries DO count against the cap. This is the reason that teams tries to leave a bit of spare cap room in case they need to sign someone else. 7341[/snapback] Nope, IR players are out for the season and their salaries do NOT count against the cap for the season... i say do what we did with willis last year...PUP list, and then he can practice aftyer we activate him in week 6...
Dan Gross Posted August 25, 2004 Posted August 25, 2004 PUP list just like Willis last year is what they will do. 7366[/snapback] Too late. You have to put the player on the PUP list before training camp starts. I know because that was my first thought, so I looked up the rules. IR is for the whole season.
Guest Answer Man Posted August 25, 2004 Posted August 25, 2004 Losman can not be put on PUP list - he reported to camp in shape. Unlike McGahee, who was never in football shape despite his agents lies, Losman passed the physical so can not be put on PUP list.
Live&DieBillsFootball Posted August 25, 2004 Posted August 25, 2004 My opinion would be to put him on IR. If he misses 10-12 weeks, there would be no reason to try to play him this year. We could always just carry 2 qb's and have an extra roster spot for some other position. If DB goes down, we can always add another qb later.
ch19079 Posted August 25, 2004 Author Posted August 25, 2004 If DB goes down, we can always add another qb later. 7380[/snapback] cus QB are so easy to find in week 9 of the regular season.
DeeRay Posted August 25, 2004 Posted August 25, 2004 Let's assume JP is out the full 12 weeks. That would, conservatively, put him back at full practice around November 15th. That means there are still 7 games left. And depending on the Bills record/situation going into the last 3 weeks, JP could get in some playing time. If they put him on IR, he can't practice with the team at all. If they leave him active, at lest he can be in on all of the meetings, film sessions and working out to some extent. Also, Zolman is destined for the practice squad... so why not waive him anyway, put him on the practice squad and go with Bledsoe, Travis, and Losman on the roster. This way, at least if Bledsoe or Brown went down, they could pull Zolman from the practice squad because no other team is going to sign him to their active roster. So I say don't put JP on the IR...
LabattBlue Posted August 25, 2004 Posted August 25, 2004 Let's assume JP is out the full 12 weeks. That would, conservatively, put him back at full practice around November 15th. That means there are still 7 games left. And depending on the Bills record/situation going into the last 3 weeks, JP could get in some playing time. If they put him on IR, he can't practice with the team at all. If they leave him active, at lest he can be in on all of the meetings, film sessions and working out to some extent. Also, Zolman is destined for the practice squad... so why not waive him anyway, put him on the practice squad and go with Bledsoe, Travis, and Losman on the roster. This way, at least if Bledsoe or Brown went down, they could pull Zolman from the practice squad because no other team is going to sign him to their active roster. So I say don't put JP on the IR... 7414[/snapback] If the 8-12 week timeframe for recovery is accurate, I agree, don't put him on IR. Best case scenario, he would be ready to practice by week 5 or 6.
Steven in MD Posted August 26, 2004 Posted August 26, 2004 If the 8-12 week timeframe for recovery is accurate, I agree, don't put him on IR. Best case scenario, he would be ready to practice by week 5 or 6. 7456[/snapback] Let's assume that prior to the JP injury, the Bills were going to make him the 3rd QB each week. If so, he would have counted against the 53 man roster and basically inactive each week. If this is the case, I would keep him active until he heals, so he can practice with the team this season. If he was destined to be the #2 guy, then we need to IR him, and get a backup QB since Wyche and Co do not think Travis is a suitable #2. Just a thought.
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