VABills Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 Do you disregard the number of all time great LTs who have played in the superbowl? Imo it is no accident. Why don't you tell me? I can tell you in 2009 neither made the pro bowl, yet there they were. Go do the research, tell me how many LT's played/selected for the pro bowl played in the super bowl the same season. I'd think you be surprised how few.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 IIRC, Buffalo tore up his first contract and gave him a raise without his publicly asking for it. That's irrelevant. His first contract was as an undrafted free agent. They tore it up because he became a quality starter at right tackle.
iinii Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 VA, I understand your points. I should have also thrown in the issue of the mindset of our team. We need to lock up our big strong players instead of focusing on little defensive backs who stand 30 yards downfield shivering in the cold and winds. The Steelers do this. They are a big strong team that pounds the football on the ground, and plays a wicked defense. We need to do the same, and you don't get there by trading away your strongest, best football player. That is not the way to win. this is one loaded issue and i have no crystal ball, but after reading everybody's comments, i think we have to try and get this done. some of the contracts mentioned are rookie deals that are way out of the ball park and that is going to change soon. we need to pay our best players to send a message that we are quality organization that respects it's own, especiallyif we are going to throw money at guys that have never played for us. Peters may spit in our face in the long run but we won't know until we see the proverbial rubber meeting the road. go bills
BuffaloBill Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 I'm not saying it's racial but I am saying it's unfair. In February of 2007, the Bills signed Chris Kelsay to that ridiculous contract. In August of 2007, before the next season started, the Bills announced the signing of Aaron Schobel to a 7 year, $50 million dollar contract to ensure that he's the highest paid defensive lineman on the team. Schobel's old contract had 3 years left. In March of 2007 the Bills signed Derrick Dockery to that ridiculous contract (one month after Kelsay signed his ridiculous contract). Peters meanwhile gets no overtures from the Bills to re-work his contract which has 3 years left. If the Bills would have treated Peters the way they treated Schobel, how much do you think Peters would be signed for right now? Absolutely, I've said in other posts the Bills tried to get by on the cheap in this situation. The Bills did an excellent public relations job during the holdout by tagging Peters with the whole mess. In my mind the Bills are equally culpable. If I'm Jason Peters I am going to do exactly the same thing. People on this board also forget that the guy played last season at a low salary compared to his peer group. He has a devestating injury and he leaves millions on the table. Peters deserves to get paid a market rate. I hope the Bills get the contract done and put this saga behind them. I also worry about what the Bills say to any other elite player looking at the organization if they screw Peters in the current negotiation.
Bill from NYC Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 Why don't you tell me? I can tell you in 2009 neither made the pro bowl, yet there they were. Go do the research, tell me how many LT's played/selected for the pro bowl played in the super bowl the same season. I'd think you be surprised how few. Maybe so. I don't know, but please think of the best LTs you have ever seen. Names will come up like Munoz, Shell, Glenn, Pace, Ogden, Light, Elliot, Hopkins, W. Jones, Wolford, Hopkins, etc. This is only scratching the surface of top shelf LTs who have played in at least 1 superbowl. You don't get rid of these guys.
billsfreak Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 Alright...my mistake on a technicality. He was voted to the last two Pro Bowls. Does that really make a difference? Actually yea it does. Alot of people think he held out of the pro bowl for the same reasons he hasn't finished seasons lately, so an injury doesn't affect his hold out or new contract that he is whining for.
Fingon Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 Actually yea it does. Alot of people think he held out of the pro bowl for the same reasons he hasn't finished seasons lately, so an injury doesn't affect his hold out or new contract that he is whining for. Who is a lot of people?
billsfreak Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 Ruben Brown will be going to the Hall of Fame Hold your breath on that one, you might look like Barney by the time he gets to the HOF.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 Actually yea it does. Alot of people think he held out of the pro bowl for the same reasons he hasn't finished seasons lately, so an injury doesn't affect his hold out or new contract that he is whining for. Freak, I don't want to go off-topic on this one but let me just say once, lots of players opt out of the Pro Bowl and I don't blame them one bit. In a game like football where you are lucky to see 100 games played, why would you want to leave 1/100 of your career on the Pro Bowl field? The baseball all-star game is 1/162 of a season. Why would you risk your career for a meaningless game (even more meaningless than preseason which is needed to get teams in synch)? You know how easy it is to get a serious injury in football. I don't need to start debating with you. But if I were a player, I would find a way not to play. And I consider to myself to have a great work ethic and to be a very professional person. But no way in hell would I play in a game like that.
Fingon Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 Hold your breath on that one, you might look like Barney by the time he gets to the HOF. I don't know man. The most important stats are All pro and pro bowls for O-line man. Rube is a 4 time all pro and a 9 time probowler.
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