Fingon Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 Safety Roy Williams has asked the Cowboys to either trade or release him by Tuesday. The Cowboys aren't having much luck finding a taker with teams believing he's going to be released anyway. Trading or releasing Williams would save $2 million against the salary cap. http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Home_NFL.aspx I think it would give the Bills exactly what they want, a big enforcer to stick in the box. This would then free up Whitner so he can be the FS the Bills want him to be. He could be had cheaply, as well.
H2o Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He would be TOO much of a liability in pass coverage. The guy cant even stay with his own shadow more or less another offensive player on the field.
The Dean Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 "Hear me out", in the header...the harbinger of a really bad idea.
BuffaloWings Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 What happened to him, anyway? I honestly thought he was one of the premier safeties.
MartyBall4Buffalo Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 No thanks the hamburglar at ss is in no way a good idea. Bryan Scott at this point is a better option to play ss.
Fingon Posted March 3, 2009 Author Posted March 3, 2009 "Hear me out", in the header...the harbinger of a really bad idea. Whats the solution to the SS problem then? He is almost exactly what we need, as the Bills want to give Whitner more room to roam around the field. He can always be rotated off the field on third down. Not to mention he could be had for a 7th.
The Dean Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 Whats the solution to the SS problem then? He is almost exactly what we need, as the Bills want to give Whitner more room to roam around the field. He can always be rotated off the field on third down. Not to mention he could be had for a 7th. Fewell said he MIGHT consider Whitner at FS, but that it isn't likely. The answer to most problems in the Bills DB corps, is QB pressure. When you are missing one piece of a puzzle, do you start changing all the other pieces, first?
dickie do-right Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 All the sports media here in Dallas agree he isn't worth a flip.
nucci Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 What happened to him, anyway? I honestly thought he was one of the premier safeties. Just overrated I guess. After the hype died down and teams realized he can't cover anyone, he was exposed as an average safety.
Zulu Cthulhu Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 Whats the solution to the SS problem then? He is almost exactly what we need, as the Bills want to give Whitner more room to roam around the field. He can always be rotated off the field on third down. Not to mention he could be had for a 7th. You can't just throw your SS down in the box every down as support against the run. A true strong safety has to be able to be at least serviceable in pass coverage as well - teams DO often throw the ball on 1st and 2nd down nowadays, if you haven't noticed. Roy has proven over the years he can't cover, period. You want to bring him in? Fine, throw Dallas a 7th and play him as a situational outside linebacker. That's all he is.
H2o Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 Whats the solution to the SS problem then? He is almost exactly what we need, as the Bills want to give Whitner more room to roam around the field. He can always be rotated off the field on third down. Not to mention he could be had for a 7th. No he is not. Have you seen any Dallas games when he's been playing over the last 3 years? He's slowed up, isn't that sure of a tackler anymore, and can't play pass defense (zone or man) to save his life. He is almost exactly done in the NFL. He might not even be that good of a ST'er, I don't know. Ever since they did away with the "horse collar" tackle in the NFL, he fell off because he was never a good wrap up tackler to begin with. He relied on trying to knock people out or pulling them down by their collar. He isn't a fierce hitter anymore and isn't allowed to pull people down the other way so what's left? A player that the Bills need to leave wherever he's at. About the answer for our SS spot? Sean Jones would be the perfect answer, but we likely won't sign him. We might go after Phillips, but it will be to play FS if we do. Either way, I think we end up staying with what we already have.
lets_go_bills Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 What is there to hear? He's counting $6M against Dallas' cap and they don't want him. They will release him anyway so why bother giving up a pick, even if it's a low one.
Justice Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He would be TOO much of a liability in pass coverage. The guy cant even stay with his own shadow more or less another offensive player on the field. The winds in Buffalo play pass defense anyways...That's why I can't stand the Tampax 2 defense. It's unnecessary in Buffalo. November and December weather doesn't allow most teams to throw deep. I, for one, wouldn't mind Roy Williams.
Fixxxer Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 If they bring him to play LB I would think about it, I bet he is more heavy than Ellison. As a SS, in our sh------- system, he won't be effective, he is a liability in coverage.
The Dean Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 OK, after reading a few more posts, and thinking about it a little bit longer, I'd have no problem with Williams as a situational LB (probably could be a ST asset, too, even at his age). But, I wouldn't start re-arranging the defense to accommodate him, pay him outside of the current Bills structure or give up anything for him (maybe a 7th would be fine).
Justice Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 OK, after reading a few more posts, and thinking about it a little bit longer, I'd have no problem with Williams as a situational LB (probably could be a ST asset, too, even at his age). But, I wouldn't start re-arranging the defense to accommodate him, pay him outside of the current Bills structure or give up anything for him (maybe a 7th would be fine). For a seventh? That would be a steal.
TheLynchTrain Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 What happened to him, anyway? I honestly thought he was one of the premier safeties. He came into camp a few years ago at 280 lbs.
BuffaloBill Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 Safety Roy Williams has asked the Cowboys to either trade or release him by Tuesday.The Cowboys aren't having much luck finding a taker with teams believing he's going to be released anyway. Trading or releasing Williams would save $2 million against the salary cap. http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Home_NFL.aspx I think it would give the Bills exactly what they want, a big enforcer to stick in the box. This would then free up Whitner so he can be the FS the Bills want him to be. He could be had cheaply, as well. No thanks ... pass .. oh wait he can't cover that
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 The only thing Roy Williams has ever contributed is a bad attitude and the Horse Collar rule.
dave mcbride Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 You can't just throw your SS down in the box every down as support against the run. A true strong safety has to be able to be at least serviceable in pass coverage as well - teams DO often throw the ball on 1st and 2nd down nowadays, if you haven't noticed. Roy has proven over the years he can't cover, period. You want to bring him in? Fine, throw Dallas a 7th and play him as a situational outside linebacker. That's all he is. Brady would eat a player like that alive. In fact, he did when the Pats scored around 50 against them in 07 ...
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